08/15/2005
Conservatives Hold Hate-apalooza in Nashville
A group of conservatives that included House majority leader Tom DeLay, Focus on the Family leader James Dobson, Family Research Council Tony Perkins, and rejected Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork, gathered over the weekend to do some gay bashing and attack the judicial system.
James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, told the 2,200 mostly white people in Two Rivers Baptist Church: "It doesn't matter what we think. The court rules." The Supreme Court, he said in a video broadcast, has created "an oligarchy. It's the government by the few."
Funny, they weren't talking activist judges when the Court ushered Bush into office.
Rejected Supreme Court nominee Robert H. Bork warned that the high court has defined homosexuality as "a constitutional right . . . and once homosexuality is defined as a constitutional right, there is nothing the states can do about it, nothing the people can do about it."
Doesn't the Constitution declare equal rights for all America's citizens? Nobody is asking for special rights here, homosexual or otherwise. Somehow, in the back of their minds, these conservatives know this. They've simply been brainwashed by religion into somehow thinking their skewed vision of morality should trump the vision of our founding fathers. Take what DeLay said:
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said "activist courts" are imposing "state-sanctioned same-sex marriage" and "partial-birth abortion" and are "ridding the public square of any mention of our nation's religious heritage" in what amounts to "judicial supremacy, judicial autocracy."In Supreme Court rulings, DeLay said, "rights are invented out of whole cloth. Long-standing traditions are found to be unconstitutional. Moral values that have defined the progress of human civilization for millennia are cast aside in favor of those espoused by a handful of unelected, lifetime-appointed judges."
Yes, let's just throw out the most successful system of democratic checks and balances ever created because DeLay's religious values are more legitimate than everyone else's.
The hatefest of "2,200 mostly white people" also featured William A. Donohue, president of the Catholic League, former Senator Zell Miller, and Phyllis Schlafly.
Conservatives Rally for Justices [washington post]
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You know, dinosaurs ruled this planet for a long time too... Tom DeLay needs to learn to adapt to the world around him, or he and his kind are gonna find themselves wiped off the face of this world pretty soon. Oops, did I just mention evolution? Bad liberal! Bad!!
Posted by: Aaron | Aug 15, 2005 1:50:36 PM
These type of idiots are likely the same type who perverted christianity into a religion of hate and bigotry.
I've been doing some reading lately and I discovered that true christianity is essentially derived from the old pagan and egyptian faiths. That is until stupid white men like these wiped those faiths out and claimed christianity to be "the only way to god."
I highly doubt that these idiots would have been in favor of women's suffrage or civil rights either. Something needs to be done about these fucking morons before thye get out of control.
I always said the cure for religion is education, but I am now retracting that statement.
The cure for ignorance is education.
Maybe they could wander to New Orleans, piss off a voodoo priestess and get their asses hexed??
Posted by: Jason | Aug 15, 2005 2:10:38 PM
Okay, just read the washingtonpost article... and something ticked me off.
Do these idiots realzie that the word "sodomy" means ANAL RAPE, not CONSENSUAL ANAL SEX!.
If one of these crackers had consensual anal sex with his wife, would that be "sodomy?"
Sometimes I don't know if these fucktards need to institutionalized, or if they just need to go back to school seeing how they give no evidence of a post sixth-grade education.
They really aren't helping the south shed pesky stereotype of stupidity...
Posted by: Jason | Aug 15, 2005 2:20:54 PM
Jason, that's simply not true. Take it from this lawyer: As defined in law for centuries, "sodomy" means anal or oral sex, regardless of the presence or absence of consent. (It was outlawed because it was held to be "unnatural.") "Rape" can coincide with sodomy, but they're two entirely different legal concepts.
>> If one of these crackers had consensual anal sex with his wife, would that be "sodomy?" <<
Yes, it would be. (But thanks to Lawrence v. Texas, all state statutes against sodomy were struck down, and the military's rule against it -- the last holdout -- is being challenged.)
Posted by: David | Aug 15, 2005 2:37:32 PM
I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
Posted by: Roy | Aug 15, 2005 2:38:55 PM
"After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands." - Ecce Homo, Friedrich Nietzsche
Posted by: nathanson | Aug 15, 2005 2:43:40 PM
Ah, good ol' Phyllis, still riding high on the defeat of the ERA back in 1982. What galls me more is that her gay son works for her.
This is one scary movement people, just be prepared for a long, drawn-out battle.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 15, 2005 2:47:59 PM
They haven't been brainwashed by religion; they selectively pick and choose scriptural passages, remove them from textual and historical context, and use them to justify their prejudice.
Posted by: Andy | Aug 15, 2005 2:57:58 PM
The thing I can't get over is how unruly and blind these die-hard "Christians" must be to follow anything that spews from these scandalous politician's mouths as if it were the words of God himself. As if Tom DeLay cares that much about humanity to suggest what lifestyle is best for human civilization. His mind is focused on playing golf and attending dinners with thousand-dollar entrance fees to kiss some corporate ass and piggy-back on W's hill-billy wagon. Meanwhile, the rest of the country struggles to make ends meet, afford college, prepare for retirement, or to be treated fairly along with the rest of society. I can't help pairing these assholes with the same guys that didn't want to integrate blacks into society or didn't find women with enough competence to be considered among men. This is the civil rights movement of the new century, and there's nothing left to do but wait until W and his bitches commit political suicide and fall from the face of the earth. One can only hope.
Posted by: Shorty | Aug 15, 2005 3:08:03 PM
A rally for numbnuts in the hillbilly capital!
http://www.libertythink.com/2005/06/tom-delay-drunk-off-his-ass-pressure.html
Posted by: Vince | Aug 15, 2005 3:48:05 PM
Where the fuck are the gay conservatives to offer their critique?
That's all I want to know.
Posted by: Damon | Aug 15, 2005 4:39:39 PM
Jason a quote on your anwser to where true christianity sprung from and it has nothing to do with egyptian faiths or with pagans in that matter... i wonder if you have been reading the right books cause as you all know christianity sprung from Judaism *doh*...
Laterss
Posted by: josh | Aug 15, 2005 4:49:07 PM
Josh:
I'm reading a fascinating book called "The Jesus Mysteries: Was The Original Jesus A Pagan God?"
Evidently, the notion of a crucified savior is nothing new, as are many of the customs associated with christianity.
Read up on the Egyptian savior Osiris-Dionyus.
You'll find he was also miraculously born of a divine mother.
Like Jesus, he also suffered a horrific death, but was resurrected.
In addition, he was represented as a bearded man wearing purple robes and an ivy crown... much like Jesus (though Jesus had thorns instead of ivy)
Oh, and the whole bread and wine at communion? Thats from the Egyptians too, they were used to celebrate holy communion.
As for the Pagan Influence:
Ancient Pagans worshipped the sun, and some of the similarities between the sun and Jesus are startling.
From "The Origins of Christianity" by Achyra S:
The sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
Oh, and one last thing, though this isn't to do w/ Jesus, though it is to do w/ Christianity:
Everyone knows Lucifer right? The fallen angel who became the devil?
Looks that that legend is bullshit too.
Okay, Lucifer means "Light Bringer" or "morning star." The morning star is actually the planet venus.
Now, Venus was the goddess of love and feminity in Roman Mythology, and many goddesses had the the name "Lucifera" in it, such as "Diana Lucifera"
Since "Lucifer" was tied to "venus" it made sense to have it asssociated with female gods as well.
When The Catholic Church needed a story to scare people into conformity, they not only created the image of "satan" from the greek god pan, they also demonized and slandered the name lucifer by associating it with their own brand of bullshit boogey men.
Sorry for the long rant, but once again it seems that the same idiots who completley distorted what true christianity was (a faith derived from pagan and egyptian teachings) into a vehicle for hatred and bigotry.
Like I said before, education is the cure for ignorance!
Posted by: Jason | Aug 15, 2005 5:31:05 PM
Jason, gay conservatives aren't here to respond to posts like this because they don't want to have to defend it...since it's indefensible. If they did they'd have to start, again, to justify their support of this bigoted movement (voting for it twice is support even if you hold your nose) and how they aren't 'one issue' voters, blah blah blah. As if civil rights were an issue on the same par with, say, tax codes.
Posted by: Nathaniel R | Aug 15, 2005 5:55:18 PM
the teachings of Jesus were those of a radical Rabbi, fully in the context of the Jewish faith. he taught a form of liberation theology which was threatening to the Roman occupation of Judea and therefore threatening to the established Judaic leadership. when turning it into a religion the early Christians found that they were more successful conerting Pagans to the new faith than they were converting Jews. so they incorporated many aspects of Pagan mythology and practice to make the transition more comfortable and inviting.
as a gay man who was raised Jewish and is no a Pagan (ok, Unitarian Universalist Pagan with focus on Radical Faerie) these people really scare me. I know what it means to grow up an outsider in a Christian culture. but these people have a very particular version of christianity that is heavy on the hate and domination. sure it is easy to pick in the fags and abortionists. but given the freedom to do that they will not stop there. they will continue on to other groups that do not see and do things their way.
before thay came along, I was fighting for those special rights they keep harping on about. but now I have resigned myself to fighting for the equal ones first. that, or moving to Canada. bummer.
Posted by: WindReader | Aug 15, 2005 7:10:16 PM
Well, even if gay conservatives claim they aren't "one issue" voters, I'd like to know exactly what one issue would cause them to vote for NeoCons. I can't think of one.
Besides, have you actually met gay conservatives? They are really fucked up in the head and incapable of coming up with an original thought on their own.
Posted by: monty | Aug 15, 2005 7:10:19 PM
At the top of the list of multiple ludicrous yet frightening aspects of all of this is that these neonazis consider Madman Bork a "martyr" who would be on the Supreme Court were it not for having been "unfairly" maligned, blah, blah, retch. The fact that he also looked the part of a loon probably helped sink his nomination, and, I'm sure, was fodder for the paid consultants to Bush 2 about what kind of candidate to put up this time. Surely I'm not the only one who has noticed the comments, from multiple media/political quarters about how nice a guy Roberts is--AS IF that, ipso facto, means he IS a nice guy who couldn't possibly, in his heart of hearts, share at least some of the troglodytic, fascistic impulses of Herr Bork. I don't care how many pro gay cases he might have consulted for, he is wolf in sheep drag or Bush would not have selected him.
Posted by: Leland | Aug 15, 2005 7:30:59 PM
William A. Donohue, president of the Catholic League, is the a**hole that spewed antisemtic comments on the Larry King show.
Posted by: David | Aug 15, 2005 8:37:55 PM
I'm sorry, but the hard left is doing exactly what the quote says.
"rights are invented out of whole cloth. Long-standing traditions are found to be unconstitutional. Moral values that have defined the progress of human civilization for millennia are cast aside in favor of those espoused by a handful of unelected, lifetime-appointed judges."
Homesexuality has never been recognized officially in civilization. It has been considered immoral ever since civilized society began, all the way back to Old Testament times. The hard left are the ones that are disposing of our precious Constitution and moral values that this country was built upon. Sorry, blind hate fails again.
Posted by: Alex | Aug 16, 2005 1:48:33 AM
Honestly, I don't get why they care so much about gays and what not. Don't they have lives to live, jobs to work, kids to raise, etc?
Regardless, time is on our side, folks. Travel back 200 years and all this same garbage was spewed by these same people about blacks. We - the homos - didn't face it because of our potential for invisibility, something the blacks never had. Now that we've tired of being invisible, or are no longer invisible because most know who/what/where we are, we've become targets.
As for Delay, Dobson and Co. - these geezers are interested in one thing: power. Power over their 'followers', power over the country, just power. They're greedy for it. Look at the mess that is Delay's campaign financing issues and his travel abuse scandal. I don't understand how people allow this man any whiff of moral authority when he's clearly one of the more corrupt men in our government today.
But, if he's beliefs are played out in full of life and judgment - he'll get his. Jesus DID speak about that topic....
Posted by: Dave | Aug 16, 2005 8:08:00 AM
Alex,
You should put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.
Posted by: Wayne | Aug 16, 2005 8:38:01 AM
Alex,
If your hatred for homosexuals wasn’t so blinding you would see that one of the few cultures that did NOT accept homosexuals were the Jews from the Old Testament. Try reading up on some cultures like the Spartans. You, Alex, are a part of the culture of hate. Before you wave your high and mighty piousness before us I suggest that you reread the New Testament and you will find that the Son of God did not die for your political agenda.
Posted by: Iceman | Aug 16, 2005 1:48:22 PM
Alex,
Iceman is correct. Educate yourself. Homosexuality (or an approximation of what we call homosexuality today) was accepted in traditional Amerindian, Asian, and many Mediterranean societies.
Posted by: David | Aug 16, 2005 8:35:47 PM
Ok, Wayne, that doesn't get us anywhere. Hate and violence are hate and violence no matter who dishes them out.
Foucault's History of Sexuality has a great answer on the term "homosexuality," suggesting that while homosexual activity has been widely attested throughout history, homosexuality as a personal, enduring identity is a relatively new social construct. This only means that "gay" people in the past simply didn't have a word yet for their condition that meant what homosexuality means today.
The Chrisitan impulse is getting a bad rap, it seems. There are denominations that seem more concerned with community service and self-sacrifice than with literalist interpretations of the Bible, but then it's the literalist interpretations that politicize arguments and raise funds, and don't be confused, this is all about power and money. Focus on the Family has a very comfortable operating budget and, I feel certain, more than adequate salaries.
Posted by: Thomas | Feb 7, 2007 6:16:52 PM