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1. I can't believe there's never been a homo kiss on a Brazilian soap. They show everything else. Lesbian vampires are a frequent motif. Anyway, Brazilian men will do anything

   Posted by: jeff | Nov 9, 2005 3:20:04 PM

   
   

2. Sad to see this profoundly stupid idea spread to other countries. Another bad American export. Real life kisses in context—marriage/commitment ceremonies, other celebrations, in a script, etc., are totally defensible and appropriate, and we should, if anything, go out of our way to demonstrate them. But staged kiss-ins are just "rub your faces in it" confrontation and do far more harm than good.

   Posted by: Leland | Nov 9, 2005 3:31:55 PM

   
   

3. Leland, you're absolutely full of shit on this.

   If a hetero couple can kiss on the street, so can I. Go peddle your closet-forcing piddle elsewhere.

   Good for those Brazilians who took me up on my suggestion. ;)

   Posted by: Tread | Nov 9, 2005 5:20:16 PM

   
   

4. oops, gasp....tripped on the stairs -- there goes our pda into the london tube....back into the underground....gasp, i think i'd rather spooj the stooj on the keyboard....are you watching?? cyber affection -- can we program my pda to interact with your pda for mutual pda?? calling all text messengers --

   dial-up and aol, i should hit those chat chambers, so i can keep the kissing behind closed doors. quick, flip the dial -- more blood shed in jordan -- cover your eyes the homos are locking lips.

   Posted by: ricardo | Nov 9, 2005 5:53:31 PM

   
   

5. Tread, you're absolutely full of not reading carefully. I totally endorse, support, defend, demand even, genuine public displays of gay affection, or even plain old lust when they spontaneously arise out of a situation. What is absurd is pointless, provocative grandstanding like kiss-ins that may make the couple feel bold and wicked and as if they are actually contributing to our freedom when all they're doing is waving the proverbial red flag in front of the horned bull that is the power structure. It's counterproductive and, therefore, irresponsible. "Self-righteous indignation" never accomplishes anything by itself. It may be porn to our more than fair share of exhibitionists, but their five minutes of piss in the soup fun can set back five years of real activism.

   Posted by: Leland | Nov 9, 2005 10:52:11 PM

   
   

6. Leland, I can read just fine. Stop being a whiner. Your self-defeating and hate-accomodating attitude is what sets us back. Just in case you haven't noticed, people are out to get us. It's time to fight fire with fire and stop taking the "high ground". Our opponents have long-ago stopped doing that.

   A kiss-in won't do jack shit to deflate the causes we're fighting for.

   I say good on these Brazilians for having the balls to do something that, IMO, is better than any on-screen gay kiss.

   Posted by: Tread | Nov 10, 2005 11:05:48 AM

   
   

7. people are out to get us

   You mean the Islamonutters?

   Posted by: jeff | Nov 10, 2005 1:11:33 PM

   
   

8. Sorry, Tread. You've convinced me. You're not an uncareful reader, you're just stupid. Anyone reading both of my posts in this string, not to mention those in others, would not rationally conclude that I am in any way "self-defeating and hate-accomodating," but have, in fact, been yelling at passive queens on this board and elsewhere that "people are out to get us." I knew that even before I was denied a promotion for being gay; before I was fired from another job for being gay; before I was clubbed to the ground by teenage thugs for being gay. A self-righteous kiss-in isn't fighting "fire with fire"—a metaphor, in any case, mostly irrelevant regarding homophobia except, perhaps, in the event of our filing countersuits against those who use courts to fight local gay friendly civic or school policies. They are more like matches, and such self-congratulatory participants like arsonists, incinerating most of the opportunity to persuade the middleground that we, and our situations, are SERIOUS, and not merely STUNTS. Even the term itself shamelessly steals from the noble, and SERIOUS, term "sit in," in which people around the world risked much more than chapped lips and making fools of themselves. Document one case where anyone with any political power ever said, "I used to hate gays, but you totally changed my mind from standing out there all day sucking face." You've had your hissy fit, now go to the bookstore and buy some books about how real social change happens. Then....read....very....carefully.

   Posted by: Leland | Nov 10, 2005 5:39:56 PM

   
   

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