09/28/2006
Wisconsin: Lesbians Attacked Over Gay Marriage Discussion
A discussion between a group of lesbians regarding the proposed amendment to ban gay marriage in Wisconsin turned violent at a Wauwatosa diner on Tuesday when a man stood up, interrupted their conversation, and began punching them. The man then threw a chair and other objects including bottles of ketchup and sugar with the intent to cause bodily harm.
Said Jorryn Chamberlain, who was attacked by the man: "Should I hide in the corner and have people not notice me? Screw that. I shouldn't have to feel that way. I should be able to be who I am without fear of being injured or worse."
The woman's friend, Danielle Davino, added, "This man's physical and verbal violence was clearly based on his intolerance ignorance, and hate for homosexual and transgendered issues."
Wauwatosa, where the George Webb restaurant is located, is just west of Milwaukee. The entire incident was caught on a security tape in the diner. Police have apparently identified the attacker and are searching for him.
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What a brave guy, attacking two women who are half his size! Does that state have a concealed weapons law? Why is it that the armed gays never get attacked?
May he rot in hell.
Posted by: Anon1 | Sep 28, 2006 11:43:53 AM
The American Taliban at work
Posted by: jimmyboyo | Sep 28, 2006 11:49:20 AM
Sorry to say that perhaps she should NOT have gotten in his face. The beating was out of hand, but she should not have antagonized the lunatic. If you play with fire, you get burned....
Posted by: forreal | Sep 28, 2006 12:13:24 PM
forreal
Oh, so we should all just be good house N's and not get upity when being attacked.
You are a GAY uncle tom
Posted by: jimmyboyo | Sep 28, 2006 12:28:40 PM
I agree with Jimmy - we should be able to talk about anything we want, even if people disagree with us, without having to worry about being beaten in public. Anyone notice that these beating are almost always due to Republican rage? I never see liberals out there pummeling their foes.
Posted by: Brian | Sep 28, 2006 12:39:58 PM
Antagonized?..WHAT?
Why should ANYONE have to keep quite and speak in whispers because it may antagonize someone else?
From what I read this was a private conversation over heard by a third party who took objection to the views being discussed.
In that situation,"forreal",would you simple slink off with your tail between your legs so you would'nt antagonise a creep like that?
I for one am glad the women stood up for themselves and their right to their opinion.
Lucky for us that those who came before us, and fought for our right to be, did'nt think your way.
We'd still be hiding in the backroom afraid to be.
Violence,unfortunitly, sometimes happens...but I'm not going to be silent because someone else is to ignorrant to discuss different views like adults.
Posted by: griffin1573 | Sep 28, 2006 12:44:18 PM
Thanks Brian
We progressives and libs tend to use a witty repertoire for our beat downs instead.
:-)
Posted by: jimmyboyo | Sep 28, 2006 12:44:42 PM
jimmyboyo -
I will refrain from stooping to your level.
But to my point, If you get up from your chair and into the face of someone looking for trouble and your only way of backing up that bravado is by being a human punching bag then you should probably remain seated and limit your coversation to present company.
If I have the balls to "step" to someone then you can be certain that I'm prepared for a brawl; if I'm not I keep my mouth shut.
She obviously should have done the same.
Posted by: forreal | Sep 28, 2006 12:47:06 PM
Forreal
I believe martial arts training should be mandatory for all gays and lesbians and we should BASH BACK
You can lick massers butt all you want and be a good uncle tom house N.
I instead prefer "I am sick and tired of the crap and I am not going to take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!" chant with a good bashing back on the bashers thrown in
Posted by: jimmyboyo | Sep 28, 2006 12:53:36 PM
Ok, I'm stooping....did you idiots WATCH THE VIDEO?!? She got out of her seat and got into the guys face!! She can say whatever the hell she wants and so can the lunatic that pummeled her. She could have continued to discuss whatever it was that she and her girlfriend were debating without GETTING UP AND INTO HIS FACE thereby ANTAGONIZING him.
I will reiterate once again:
If you have the balls to "step" to someone then you better be prepared for a brawl; if not keep your mouth shut.
Don't cry about it after you've been punked
Posted by: forreal | Sep 28, 2006 12:55:56 PM
And for the record, I am a 2nd degree Black in Tae Kwon Do. Far, Far, Far from a "good uncle tom house N" or a person who would "slink off with your tail between your legs"
A major principle of any Martial Art is not seeking out a fight....
her posturing was of a person looking for a fight - it was obviously a bluff
he didn't buy it
Posted by: forreal | Sep 28, 2006 1:04:01 PM
Forreal, so your answer is to do nothing when you're being attacked? Even if it is "only" verbally? Have you ever been pushed to the limit by someone antagonizing you simply because of WHO you are?
I'm not condoning her actions, but I certainly understand them.
Your argument that she should stay put and do nothing is shameful and ignorant.
Posted by: Wayne | Sep 28, 2006 1:07:40 PM
forreal you are getting riled
GOOD
BUT what will masser think when yous be getting uptiy. Masser provides so much for us down here on the plantation. We should be slinking around whenever masser speaks. We should be thanking the good lordy that masser be saving our souls from our heathen ways. Masser sossss be good to us.
masser not gonna like you not knowing your place. He might slip a deer head in your mailbox (reference to recent revelatiosn that my Virginia senator Allen moved to virginia "where nig@ers know there place"...his words.... and his putting a deer head in a black family's mail box)
Posted by: jimmyboyo | Sep 28, 2006 1:11:48 PM
Forreal
From my perspective, it may not be wise to get in someone's face who is much bigger than you. Can't argue with that, unless you're OK with getting beaten. But having a very intense argument with someone is not illegal. At the point where someone decides to make physical contact, then that's a criminal matter.
Just because she did something that you consider unwise, does not mean that she deserves the beating, which is implied by your posting. People have very intense arguments all the time, without any physical contact coming of it. Don't forget who the perpetrator is here - it's the big bully. She may have done something that is unwise to some, but he is the criminal. She deserves justice, and I hope she gets it.
Posted by: Anon1 | Sep 28, 2006 1:18:38 PM
FORREAL needs to buy a clue from Vanna. Honnie, really, I mean, I don't know WHERE to begin with your faulty logic. FOR REAL...
Posted by: Cory | Sep 28, 2006 1:20:46 PM
Wayne, in response to your question-
Daily, but if I am not in a position to assert myself then I move on.
MY Argument/s was/were:
"Sorry to say that perhaps she should NOT have gotten in his face. The beating was out of hand, but she should not have antagonized the lunatic. If you play with fire, you get burned...."
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
"If you have the balls to "step" to someone then you better be prepared for a brawl; if not keep your mouth shut.
Don't cry about it after you've been punked"
If she had taken that advice we wouldn't be having this discussion
Posted by: forreal | Sep 28, 2006 1:22:02 PM
Well, I think she WAS prepared for the brawl. She got roughed up, but so what? Now the law is on her side. I suppose that reporting him to the police means she's complaining unnecessarily? Should she just shut up now? Kicking someone's ass is not the only way to be prepared. You can be prepared to take the risk of being beaten, and then fight like hell after it happens.
I think she was prepared for the brawl. Kudos to her. She deserves our support now.
Posted by: Anon1 | Sep 28, 2006 1:30:44 PM
Sweetie, honnie chil' , really. Really.... really...
The counter argument, which surprisingly is hard to argue with, should ALL supressed people just sit back, be quiet and "take it". The fact is, African-Americans stood up for themselves and refused to "be quiet for fear of retribution", as did women, the religiously persecuted, ad nausem. As a gay man, I am horrifically astounded that you would support people, regardless of why they are supressed, remaining quiet and not being proud to be free in a country that is based on such principles. It is THEIR RIGHT TO SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING PHYSICALLY HARMED. It is a very BASIC AND LOGICAL THEORY. With all due respect, you're speaking like a third grade bully in a play ground. We do not live in play grounds, we live in a WORLD IN WHICH FREEDOM AND RIGHTS PREVAIL. As someone who was attacked in college, I know all too well what it feels like and while I regret that it happened, I DO NOT regret my actions. The attackers are wrong. Simple...
Posted by: Cory | Sep 28, 2006 1:34:07 PM
Forreal, I still believe your argument is incorrect. Obviously tone and emotion don't come through these posts, but when I read your thoughts here it appears that you believe she deserved the beating. He antagonized her, but because she defended herself, even by standing her ground, she deserved to be beaten? I respectfully disagree with you.
Posted by: Wayne | Sep 28, 2006 1:35:52 PM
Forreal...question...
Who do you think "got in who's face first".
Obviously bully...
She may have taken a physical beating but at least she did'nt sit back and a take verbal assault.
She showed more "balls" for that then,by your own comments, you would have.
A bully needs to be dealt with immediatly and directly during and after the assault.
Punked?...phattt
Posted by: griffin1573 | Sep 28, 2006 1:46:26 PM
Griffin1573, yeah, I think you're right. I can't say I would ever sit and take it, and I'm a little guy, although I'm somewhat trained in self-defense.
I'd risk the beating. But I wouldn't want to be thought of as a whiner just because I called the police afterwards.
Posted by: Anon1 | Sep 28, 2006 2:18:07 PM
Who can tell who did what to whom from looking at that convoluted piece of videotape as presented in the TV news story? That's messed up.
Posted by: Bryant | Sep 28, 2006 2:24:34 PM
"punked"? "punked"? Quelle ghetto chic. I'll forgive your trite word choice if you'll forgive what some would consider a cliche [though no less accurate]: however else you put it, you are still simply blaming the victim. And for that—a world in which such Neanderthals still roam—YOU, forreal, are partially to blame.
Posted by: Leland | Sep 28, 2006 2:58:41 PM
Sorry to say that perhaps she should NOT have gotten in his face. The beating was out of hand, but she should not have antagonized the lunatic. If you play with fire, you get burned....
Posted by: forreal | Sep 28, 2006 12:13:24 PM
Yo Forreal!!
Get to the back of the bus!
Posted by: bud | Sep 28, 2006 4:10:40 PM
I would have been with Forreal until my global outlook shifted after the Theo VanGogh murder, the Danish cartoons and most recently the cancelled Mozart opera. I would have been more than content to slink away quietly rather than rile up an obviously hateful thug. But in this world where increasingly violent and successful suppression of debate is everywhere, how can any of us think that there is nothing more at stake than just saving our own skins? I really applaud that woman for standing up to that bully.
Posted by: Loushka | Sep 29, 2006 9:39:23 PM