The Talk: Foley, Jon Stewart, Hastert, Bay Buchanan

road.jpg Resign, Mr. Speaker: Washington Times calls for Hastert’s Resignation: “Either he was grossly negligent for not taking the red flags fully into account and ordering a swift investigation, for not even remembering the order of events leading up to last week’s revelations — or he deliberately looked the other way in hopes that a brewing scandal would simply blow away. He gave phony answers Friday to the old and ever-relevant questions of what did he know and when did he know it? Mr. Hastert has forfeited the confidence of the public and his party, and he cannot preside over the necessary coming investigation, an investigation that must examine his own inept performance.”

Two videos via AmericaBlog….

Conservative Bay Buchanan Rips Hastert, and Hastert gives confused, defensive interview to CNN.

Buchanan: “That email had predator stamped all over it.”

Comments

  1. kuros says

    BEFORE he became a US Congressman, Foley served long term in the Florida Legislature with ANOTHER Young unmarried REPUBLICAN Legislator and THEY were known for being long term “Room Mates” with the rumor being that they were MUCH MORE than “Room Mates”

    This other Legislator’s name???

    CHARLIE CHRIST

  2. forreal says

    Sick, vile, repugnant, repulsive, republican, lying scum…..

    This is exactly why the rest of the WORLD looks at the U.S. with disgust and disdain.

    A leadership that LIES and takes no responsibility for its Mistakes and will do ANYTHNG to maintain power. EVEN sacrifice the safety of CHILDREN

    The U.S. is MURDERING civilians all over the world in the name of freedom and “truth” and “morality” and are as despicable, dishonorable and untrustworthy as is humanly possible.

    Ths reeks of the same stench as the catholic church scandal. can you blame the muslim world for not allowing “christianity” and the white man to dictate its place in the world and align itself as morally superior?

  3. Glenn says

    I know that those (like myself) who are Democrats — or at least can’t stand the current Republican leadership — are to some extent enjoying the sight of the GOP in such a meltdown. But the ugly side of this scandal is the anti-gay backlash that is already starting to develop. There’s already starting to be a fair amount of commentary (from, e.g., the Wall Street Journal) along the lines of “this is what you get when you accept homosexuality, etc.” and I’m afraid of where this is going to lead. I for one would really like to see the temperature of this scandal cool down a bit.

  4. says

    Nice. Buchanan’s response – “beat the living daylights out of him”. Begala’s response – “if he emailed my son he would be talking to my 12 gauge”. Can one reasonably be expected to take their comments seriously?

  5. jimmyboyo says

    Well said FORREAL

    Glenn I think you are wrong. The 23% die hard religous right wackos would bash us even if jesus came back and said he was gay. The majority of people do realize the difference between a predator and gay man. Just as they know straight men prefer women and not girls, they also know the majority of gay men prefer men not boys. Though a few nambla members have been posting on this board of late. HRC should be out front denouncing predators and stressing facts on predators like the FBI profile of child predators is white, straight, and a family member…..but regretably HRC has proven itself yet again to be worthless. What can you expect from a group that is giving an award to reichen

  6. xavier says

    I agree with Glenn. It’s just a matter of time that the whole thing gets spinned (and the Republicans and their Reich Wingnut friends are EXPERTS on that) and it becomes yet another ‘gays-can’t-be-trusted-with-youngsters issue. *sigh*

  7. Glenn says

    Jimmyboyo, if it were only the religious right wackos, I would agree with you. Their piling on is predictable. But the Wall Street Journal is not a paper for wackos — its editorial page is THE voice of the conservative establishment in this country. And they’re also saying that, basically, this whole scandal is the result of tolerance for and protection of gays and lesbians. See, e.g., here:

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010143.php

    I just think we gays need to watch our backs a bit here.

  8. Mitch says

    “For GOP leaders to pay a heavy political price requires either more evidence that they really knew what Foley was doing or for Democrats to form an alliance, at some level, with people who find homosexuality outrageous no matter what the age.”

    http://www.slate.com/id/2150807/

    When Andy starts gleefully linking to Bay Buchanan on YouTube you’ve seriously got to wonder.

    The house leadership bent over backwards to protect a gay member when they held a significant majority and therefore had no compelling political reason to do so. In other words, they were practicing tolerance and Foley took advantage of that. I agree with Glenn, we need to tread lightly here.

  9. jimmyboyo says

    Glenn then kind of proves what I said about HRC

    HRC said something like feeling sorry for the guy going through personal troubles or some such crap like that. HRC should have been out in force on day one denouncing predation of minors, denouncing government cover ups, and proclaiming that no one should utilize this tragedy to politicize gay hate. Stating the facts that the FBI profile for predators of minors is white, straight male, family member

    instead HRC seems more ocncerned with constantly bugging us for donations so they can pay for the party where they are going to give reichen an award.

  10. says

    Hell Mitch, when the Moonie Times starts criticizing anybody for anything (besides being not a Republican and not ackowledging Sum Yung Moon as the Messiah), you’ve seriously got to wonder.

  11. jimmyboyo says

    Mitch it was NOT tolerance

    It was not wanting to loose power. foley’s district is one of the wealthiest in the nation. He won with 63%+, was a HUGE fund raiser, and they did not want to have to spend the millions ncessary to get someone else elected in a safe/ locked up district.

    It was NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tolerance

    The repub ccover up was due to having power and wanting to keep power.

    You eaither are Ken mehlman’s boy toy or a nambla member trying to excuse a crime and a cover up.

  12. Anon says

    “Known homosexual…”

    “We need to clean house…”

    Are they both suggesting that Congress go on a gay witchhunt to rid itself of “predators”?

  13. says

    I must say that I agree with much of what many of you have posted here, but I do find it troubling that many people in the press, as well as politicians seem to be using “homosexual” and “paedophile” interchangeably.

  14. jimmyboyo says

    No Anon

    What they are doing is called spin

    They are trying to spin it as a gay thing in the hopes of saving their base. It isn’t working though. Despite the talking heads, the majority of religous right people calling into their shows are saying that they know gay men want to be with men and not boys just like straight men like to be with women and not girls. The base suprisingly realizes that this is a predator thing and not a gay thing despite what the talking heads and you ken mehlman boy toys are saying

  15. Pompeius says

    Yes Republic, it IS troubling, and what a group of us here have been predicting would happen since the scandal broke. What you are seeing is events prooving us right.

    The question now becomes: What should we do about the gay = pedo campaign that is (predictably) starting to tar and feather us?

    One thing we should NOT do is try and sugar coat Foley’s perversion, and play semantics with it, and say, “Oh, Foley was only an ephebophile, like all gay men are.” WRONG! Both factually and strategically.

    What we SHOULD do is have the NGLTF and HRC come out SWINGING against Foley, the NAMBLA pervs, and their fellow travellers…DENOUNCE them, state CLEARLY that gay does NOT = pedo, and that the vast majority of gays are REPULSED by even the idea of underage sex. Correct, both factually and strategically.

  16. jimmyboyo says

    Pomp

    I am honored again to totaly agree with you 100%. We can disagree with each other when this scandal is over. Till then. ^5 and preach on brother

    The only way people can get away with spin is when other people do not stand up to it.

    HRC is too interested in getting their hair and nails done for their award date with reichen

  17. bambambam says

    Where are the self-hating Log Cabin Republicans in all of this? The only honorable thing for them to do now that Focus on the “Family” is calling for gays to be banned from society is to reveal all of their contacts with the hard-right and stop them from waving the red flag for the killing of gay people.

    No one has mentioned this…Foley had a 19 YEAR RELATIONSHIP, and ended it when? When David Dreier was stabbed in the back by the hard-right in the GOP when he tried to succeed money launderer and Republican homophobe Tom Delay. Foley tried to make his own sexuality go away when he saw what Dreier got from Blunt and Boehner, and make do with IM-ing powerless House pages.

    Mark my words: in the end, NO physical contact, only IMs and e-mails. Because he was trying to kill off his own sexuality when he saw that he was only wanted for the 2.7 MILLION he brought into the party and would be thrown under the bus like Dreier was if he tried to exist with a normal partner relationship.

    That’s what you get for being a self-hating gay Republican homophobe. Big picture complete. That is all.

  18. says

    A Republican defeat would probally serve the GLBT community well especially the few closeted Republican congressional members. It would probally call for the demand for new leadership and maybe a more inclusive message.

    I do find problems for the Democrats and the media for holding off on this until 1 month before election day. They are just as irresponsible as the Republican leadership.

    Foley is just guilty for abuse of power just like Clinton and Lewinsky. Foley is just a hypocryte for calling Clinton wrong, but he was just as bad.

  19. bambambam says

    ((sigh)) earth to matt:

    Monica, an adult, pursued Clinton. Foley, an adult Republican self-hater, pursued underage pages.

    The e-mails were given to REPUBLICAN house leaders a YEAR AGO or more. They were successfully covering them up when ABC found them in July, and it’s HASTERT, REYNOLDS AND BOEHNER who spent the last eight weeks trying to cover up and even NEGOTIATE WITH ABC to keep the text of the IMs secret, even offering an exclusive interview with Foley LAST FRIDAY.

    Any other right-wing lies to spread, Matt, so that you can enable more conservatives to smear all gay people?

  20. jimmyboyo says

    Bambambam

    keep bamming away at the republican lap dogs

    :-)

    Anyway; are you sure it was July that Abc got the the stuff? I heard it was August and due to katrina anniversary and 9/11 anniversary their news room wasn’t quiet up to snuff to handle the foleygate thing yet.

  21. vince says

    This from the party of “family values”…never ceases to amaze me of the hypocrisy from the reich.

  22. Pompeius says

    July or August, whatever…does anyone find the ABC excuse that they were too busy covering “anniversaries” a bit…disingenous?

    I mean, c’mon…I’m sure the upcoming congressional elections make a LARGE demand on their news staff…yet somehow, they JUST managed to find the time to break the Foley scandal, COINCIDENTALLY to COINCIDE with it.

    Um…LOL! :)

    Which BTW brings up an interesting point…if a liberal-leaning media outlet intentionally sits on a story in order to spring an “October Surprise,” are they not as guilty as Hastert and certain Republicans in not revealing what they knew, immediately when they first knew it?

    Lets spice things up with a hypothetical. Lets say Foley molested a boy since July. Given what we know, a not improbable occurance IMO. Is ABC not morally (perhaps even criminally!) liable in this hypothetical, for not breaking the story and alerting authorities right away?

    What works against Hastert can work against ABC, the Miami Herald, and other media outlets that sat on this story for political purposes, IMO. They are just as bad as Hastert, and this needs to be investigated too I think.

  23. Anon says

    Who is “ken mehlman”?? I’m not anyone’s boy toy.

    How can Begala and Buchanan have the same spin? The one is attacking the Republicans from the left and the other from the right. It wasn’t people calling in who were equating gay with molestor, it was the two talking heads here, Begala and Buchanan. Foley’s gone and there will no doubt be an investigation. The question is what and who are they going to investigate? The last page scandal nearly led to cancelling the program.

  24. bambambam says

    This from AP just this minute:

    Florida newspapers — who were leaked copies of the e-mail with the Louisiana boy last year — defended their decision not to run stories. Both The St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald were given copies of the e-mail, as were other news organizations, including Fox News.

    (snip)

    So FuckedNoise channel has been sitting on this FOR A YEAR…and has been enabling every potential child molester out there…

    Hmmm…how suspicious does that make you feel when FOX is the one that held this for a year?

  25. Toto says

    On one side I am hoping all of this negative republican drama brings their ratings down to make a difference during the elections. On another side Im starting to see the idiotic connection the republicans preach between gay tolerance and pedophilia starting to come to the stage. What Foley did was wrong. If Hastert and others knew what he was doing yet did nothing to save a seat then they are just as bad. I just dont think the situation called for hell bent politicians who consider “thinking like a parent” grabbing a twelve gauage or beating the shit out of someone.

  26. bambambam says

    Uh-oh…I’m starting to see the fact that FOX suppressed this for a year ALL OVER THE NEWS websites…

    Why did FOX NEWS suppress this for a WHOLE YEAR???

  27. Pompeius says

    Whether it be Hastert or Mike Rogers…or ABC or Fox…anyone who sat on this story, and held back revealing it for political purposes needs to rounded up and waterboarded.

  28. bambambam says

    Mike Rogers, oh please, you know he ran hither and yon with the story and was ignored… it was FOX AND ONLY FOX, protecting the hard-right wing. Suppressing the story for a year.

    It would have been out and gone already if only FUCKEDNOISE channel had done the right thing. But no, they have to preserve the homophobic Republican congress and protect every Republican creep boy-toucher. It’s FOX that suppressed the story till election time.

  29. Pompeius says

    Mike Rogers was going on about Foley being a closet case for some time now, true. But only now does he reveal he’s been sitting on the incriminating Foley IMs…waiting for JUST the right moment to reveal them.

    This quote from his own blog:

    “As people know, it’s not always possible for me to disclose my role in some of the activities.

    I can say this. I had the emails before they were on the net. Additionally, I had the additional emails, written by the page to a friend. The story was being written by a number of outlets and I provided additional information to reporters involved in the breaking of this story.

    Was the central figure in reporting on Foley’s latest scandal? Never said I was. Was my work on the case important to helping make sure it came out before the election? Yes.”

    Note the words “I had the emails before they were on the net.”

    Mike Rogers is as guilty as Hastert. Condemned by his own words, in fact.

  30. bambambam says

    FOX NEWS had the e-mails over a year ago…they buried them.

    FOX NEWS. Mike Rogers exposed them as soon as he had them. Hastert and FOX suppressed them for a year and tried to make it past the election, when ABC found them and ran immediately with the story.

    WHERE WAS FOX? WHERE WAS HASTERT, BONER AND REYNOLDS? I’ll tell you…consulting with Rove to see whether there was a chance in hell of shining this on till after the election. If Fox had did the right thing, this story would be a year old. But no…that’s karma.

  31. bambambam says

    Why is it that you have to fling out lie after speculation about every supposed non-Republican who is to blame (NOT) for Foley when the Republicans and Fox Noise commentators are falling from the sky as enablers of Republican child-touchers?

    We need a news ticker here to keep up with the Republican enablers…Mike Rogers was ringing the alarm like the screaming girl we know he is, and being ignored because he is gay — just like you normally want him to be. It was HASTERT’S JOB and FOX NEWS’ JOB to expose this, and they have suppressed it for a year.

    Now who again is guilty? Fox News. They had the story before Rogers did. Before ANYONE did.

    NY-26: Did Reynolds Authorize Aide To Ask ABC To Kill Story?

    By Greg Sargent | bio

    As Election Central reported below, it’s now been confirmed that Kirk Fordham, the chief of staff to NRCC chief Tom Reynolds, offered an exclusive on Mark Foley’s decision to resign to ABC News’s Brian Ross if Ross agreed not to run his story about the salacious Foley emails. Ross declined. I’ve now emailed two questions to Reynolds communications director L.D. Platt. (1) Did Reynolds know that Fordham was doing this? (2) Did Reynolds authorize it? Either Reynolds knew his chief of staff was trying to prevent the public from knowing that a GOP Congressman was soliciting teens, or he didn’t. Either Reynolds authorized it, or he didn’t. Will Reynolds answer?

  32. Pompeius says

    Sigh. BBB, what color is the sky on your planet?

    As noted above, ABC sat on the story for months, they did not run it “immediately.”

    I just quoted you Mike Rogers above saying he had the IMs for awhile, before they were first posted on the net…he, by his own words, did not “expose them as soon as he had them.”

    Read for comprehension, BBB.

  33. Anon says

    News orgs often sit on stories waiting for confirmation from a second source. They also don’t feel that law enforcement is their “job”. Sometimes law enforcement asks them to sit on a story while an investigation is in progress too. Not sure what is going on here though.

  34. Br!on says

    Seems remarkably like the catholic church methinks. Look the other way and it will go away.

    This is absolutely no surprise. As I told my friends when this term began, republicans and the far right get so far away from the actual job of being human and relating to the world that their mistakes surface with alarming frequecy. I look forward to more in the coming months.

  35. bambambam says

    OMG, here’s yet another REPUBLICAN ENABLER of the child molester. Who has been trying to suppress this story UP UNTIL EVEN THIS VERY MOMENT???

    Republicans and Fox News.

    ABC ran with the story IMMEDIATELY and was STONEWALLED by HASTERT, BONER AND REYNOLDS, who tried to negotiate hiding the story LAST FRIDAY.

    Comprehend the facts. ABC ran with the story IMMEDIATELY and was stonewalled till LAST FRIDAY by the Republican enablers.

    Comprehend the facts.

    Congressman Tom Reynolds (R-NY) claims chief of staff helped accused child sex predator try to cover-up evidence “on their own time,” so it’s okay

    by John in DC – 10/03/2006 03:59:00 PM

    First off, we now need to know from Brian Ross of ABC, and from every other reporter in Washington, DC who spoke with Reynolds’ chief of staff Kirk Fordham last Thursday and Friday, whether Fordham was only speaking to them after hours, as Reynolds claims, or whether he was speaking to them during business hours on Thursday and Friday.

    Second of all, is Reynolds going to take responsibility for his own chief of staff’s involvement in this scandal or not? At what point does anyone in the Republican party actually take responsibility for their actions? Reynolds didn’t know, and says he shouldn’t be expected to know, if his chief of staff goes and allegedly works for 2 days to help an accused child sex predator cover-up evidence of a potential crime against children? And Reynolds is apparently fine with this?

    More from the local Channel 4 (there is a video link on this page, that’s where you’ll find this quote from Reynolds):
    “I didn’t give him [chief of staf Kirk Fordham] permission to have any conversations he’s had at any time with ahhhh Mark Foley, either as his friend or former employer, any more than I think it would be highly unusual for anybody here that they would ask permission before they talked to ahhhh somebody on any nature, on their own time.”

    1. So you didn’t give him permission, but at the same time you’re saying that you didn’t need to give him permission because your office policy is that it’s okay for your chief of staff to do things like help child predators in your workplace without checking with you first? And that gets you off the hook, how?

    2. On their own time? So the chief of staff didn’t do any of this, didn’t talk to any reporters, didn’t confer with Foley at all, during the work day?

    3. And if your chief of staff asked for vacation time off to help the child predator during the day, did the chief of staff tell you, his boss, why he was taking time off?

    4. And if your chief of staff told you he was taking time off to help a child predator, did you object?

    5. All hell was breaking loose, your name was being implicated in all of this, but you didn’t have a problem with your chief of staff taking a vacation (if in fact he even took one)?

    6. Your chief of staff was speaking on behalf of Foley to the media – and you expect us to believe that you still never got word of that fact? And if you did get word, did you say or do anything about it, voice any objection?

    7. Now you know that your chief of staff tried to organize a cover-up of key evidence in this case. What do you plan to do about it? Or is this the kind of thing that you condone in your office, and apparently your party?

    8. What role if any did your chief of staff play when you first found out about this scandal months ago, and what if any role did he play subsequently?

  36. Pompeius says

    More damning evidence against Mike Rogers…again, via his own words.

    Check out this entry by him from March 2005:

    http://www.blogactive.com/2005/03/mark-foley-anoteher-closeted-anti-gay.html

    He’s doing his usual outing routine on Foley. BUT note where he says that sources tell him Foley likes “close to underage” men.

    LOL! Really, Mike what were you HINTING at back in March 2005? Why did you not TELL us what you knew back in that non-election year or 2005? LOL!

    Oh, but read the LAST sentence..oh, it’s the kicker!

    “When we get closer to the midterm elections I’m sure more will surface.”

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    Really, Mike, what an amazingly accurate “prediction.” One might almost say TOO amazing in fact. I wonder, to make this spot on “prediction” back in March 2005, was Mike Rogers in possesion of 1) a crystal ball; 2) tarot cards; or 3) IM messages of a sexual nature between Foley and underage pages?

    Call me a cynic and a skeptic of the psychic arts if you must…but my money is on #3.

    How many pages were raped by Foley since March 2005 I wonder?

    No, I will no longer say Rogers is as guilty as Hastert. I’ll say now that Rogers is more disgustingly guilty.

  37. banbanban says

    Wow… talk about state of denial…

    Like it was Mike Rogers’ job to RUN THE CONGRESS and PUT FOLEY IN CHARGE OF THE PAGES???

    That was HASTERT’S JOB…

    Rogers screamed out the truth, at the risk of his own safety — now that we know that Fox News and Limbaugh are causing the PAGE to get death threats — and HASTERT and FOX SUPPRESSED the truth…

    But to get to something else important…

    Let’s not forget for all of us who were upset about Macy’s anti-gay disappearance against gay manniquins…

    FOX NOISE shill Sean Hannity, who EVEN TODAY is trying to blame the PAGES for the whole scandal, was hired by GENERAL MOTORS to be a celebrity endorser.

    We need to let GM know that we don’t want cars shilled to us by child molester ENABLERS like Fox News and Hannity, who blames the PAGES.

  38. jimmyboyo says

    wow

    hey Bam and pomp

    Can I suggest the 2 of you take a deep breath and realize that you both agree pretty much on the main issues of Foley, the cover up, and disgust with those posting on this site making up excuses

    You guys are only differing on the news media angle, and right now….Not the largest part of the story……

    :-)

    Anon….. Ken mehlman is the RNC chairman…a closeted guy who happens to also be jewish. I do not know what is more shoking. A closeted gay working for the republicans or a jew working for the Republicans. LOL Anyway; Mehlman championed the anti-gay marriage amendment though he loves to troll DC gay bars.

  39. banbanbanboom says

    This is how I know there are true Republicans here…Hastert and Fox News suppress a story for a YEAR…the leader of Congress and the biggest cable news network…

    but Republicans IGNORE the truth and ATTACK someone, whether Mike Rogers, the pages themselves, who has nothing to do with control of pages and news dissemination.

    Just the way the REPUBLICANS IGNORED Osama Bin Laden after he killed 3000 and ATTACKED someone else who had nothing to do with it…Iraq. The pattern can’t be broken. Admit it. Incompetents and self-haters. That’s the Republican way.

  40. Jimmy Jimmereeno says

    Towleroad gleefully citing notorious gay-hater Bay Buchanan is utterly disgusting to me. I have to conclude all the talk about gay discrimination means nothing here, when they feel they can attack the Repubicans with a nice bit of homophobia. Those emails only had predator stamped all over them if you assume every gay man is a predator.

    Think twice, towleroad, this is a dangerous game you are playing. If the Democrats take power due to playing with homophobia, do you really think that is good for gays? It’s actually just another victory for gay-haters, don’t kid yourself.

  41. Jimmy Jimmereeno says

    Foley is a creep and should have been tossed out, but I’m getting sick of all this “child molestor” talk. Rep. Studds had sex with a minor (17) and was reeelcted by his district numerous times. It’s so obvious that many of you only care about this because Foley is a Republican. I understand that, politics is politics, but cut the sanctimony already. So far

    1. We don’t know if Foley actually “molested” anyone.
    2. A sixteen-year-old is not exactly a child, and, in fact, the age of consent in many states is 16. The page Studds had sex with was 17 at the time.
    3. The IMs seems to indicate the 16 year old was a willing participant.

    None of this makes what Foley did anything but wrong, but you guys are going so over-the-top with this rhetoric, it’s just sad. And don’t think this is not playing into America’s homphobia, it is.

  42. bambambam says

    Yes, you are right, Jimmy. In the end, this is how it’s going to look: Foley actually touched NOBODY. He ended a 19-year relationship because he knew that like David Dreier, he would never advance in the Republican Party if he had an actual normal partner relationship.

    So he was trying to make do, pathetically, with IMs. Because he didn’t want to be attacked by the Republican haters like Boner and Blunt and Hastert, if he tried to advance in the Republican leadership, the way Dreier was.

    That’s the truly sad piece here. He HAD a 19 year partner relationship. But the Republicans forced him to give it up and try to kill off his own sexuality.

  43. jimmyboyo says

    Newest e-mails detail foley telling a kid that he and his friend can come “party” at his house and they can drink. The boys were underage to drink.

    You can bet the info on the touching will be coming out next.

    On the news media outlet thing. i have read up on it and agree with both bam and Pomp. I think ABC could have moved faster on this, BUT comparitively to FOX they did move fast. Fox had this for a year while ABC had it for 1-2 months. both guilty of being slow, but FOX is more guilty

    Anyway; Rhandi Rhodes today interviewd some Department of Justice guys who said that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales KNEW!!!!! about Foleygate and that it was lower down people in the Department of Justice who finaly leaked all of this because they were tired of being told to stand down on it.

    That is HUGE!!!!!!!!! Gonzales has been a bush boy since all the way back in texas. The scandal/ cover up is stretching up into the white house now

  44. Pompeius says

    Jimmyboyo, once again I agree with you (gasp!) but don’t forget Rogers; it’s beyond denying now that he’s been nestling this in his bosom since at least March 2005.

    BTW, where does it say Fox had this for a year? I see the quote where the Miami Herald says it knew, another paper knew, and in a vague sort of way that Fox knew. I say “vague” because they may be referring to a local Fox affiliate TV or radio station…which BTW is QUITE a different thing than saying that the national office of Fox News knew…THIS is a HUGE discrepancy that needs to be clarified…BBB may have been screaming at the top of his lungs here, all for naught…LOL!

  45. banbanban says

    Don’t advertise your senior moments…

    From the October 2 AP article:

    Meanwhile, Florida newspapers — who were leaked copies of the e-mail with the Louisiana boy last year — defended their decision not to run stories. Both The St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald were given copies of the e-mail, as were other news organizations, including Fox News.

    (snip)

    Fox suppressed this news for nearly a YEAR…

    Nothing vague about this…

  46. Pompeius says

    THAT was the vague report what I was referring to! ARG!

    Sigh.

    It is precisely vague, for the precise reasons I just previously cited. There is no date given when the paper said “Fox” knew, and there no indication whether they are talking about Fox national, or some rinky-dink local Fox affiliate. Since it is talking about another local paper in the same breath, I’m actually inclined to believe the latter.

    Sigh, if BBB cannot comprehend such a simple point I may have to give up on him…

  47. banbanban says

    You sound just like Condi Rice, everything is vague and hard to remember…oh, and everyone else is to blame, and proof of FOX NEWS suppressing the story is not proof.

    Wonder why the reporter didn’t say “local Fox station?” Because it was FOX News. Think the AP lawyers didn’t vet that detail?

    P.S. There are no rinky-dink Fox affiliates. News Corporation is the richest media company on the goddam planet. If this were a Democratic scandal, Murdoch would have found it in the inbox of the lowliest nobody.

    You have the same kind of doubts that Condi Rice had when she saw the report titled: OSAMA BIN LADEN WILL STRIKE INSIDE U.S. WITH AIRCRAFT. Good Republicans, both of you. Keep denying. It’s what you do the best.

  48. Pompeius says

    OK, call me Condi, but I still have doubts. So does the New York Times, apparantly:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/washington/03media.html?_r=1&oref=login

    This story mentions the 2 Florida papers sitting on the story, and it mentions ABC sitting on the story…but no mention of Fox. At all.

    The NYT is not exactly what I would call a tool of right wing propaganda. You’d think they would have included Fox if they could have, wouldn’t ya?

    So yeah, the whole Fox angle is looking very doubtful.

  49. banbanban says

    lolololmfao…State of Denial…

    Condi, AP broke this news yesterday…after the Times article was up…

    Condi, lie some more so we can laugh at you…

    FOX News protected Mark Foley for a year so he could buy election-year ad time…