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It Goes On: Hillary Clinton Wins Texas, Ohio as McCain Clinches

Wins in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island for Hillary Clinton on Tuesday gave her the momentum she needed to continue in the race, although Barack Obama, who won Vermont, still holds a lead in delegates.

Said Clinton: "No candidate in recent history — Democratic or Republican — has won the White House without winning the Ohio primary. We all know that if we want a Democratic president, we need a Democratic nominee who can win Democratic states just like Ohio."

This morning, on CBS' The Early Show, Clinton hinted at a 'dream ticket' with Obama, saying "that may be where this is headed, but we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket."

McCain sealed the Republican nomination.

Full results.

Clinton and Obama's speeches above, McCain's and Huckabee's below (via Talking Points Memo).

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  1. Yes, Jimmy, I would love a Obama/Clinton or a Clinton/Obama ticket too, but how the hell do you keep Bill Clinton away from overshadowing the vice-president. Even Hillary would get sick of his pompous ass always getting involved. Maybe they'd could get some cute, chubby female (or transwomen)aids working at the WHite House...keep Big Cigar Bill occupied. Or send him off with Papa Bush for an extended good-will tour. I don't know.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Mar 5, 2008 1:08:36 PM


  2. Michael, while conceding that "3AM" ad was not a tacit endorsement of McCain over Obama, what the hell is this?

    “I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.” -Hilary Clinton

    And if she wants to run on her mythical 35 years of experience and act as if it were some kind of giant trump card, McCain WHOOPS her ass in experience. Guess she's going to have to flip that around in the general.

    Posted by: Jason | Mar 5, 2008 1:16:05 PM


  3. Michael, while conceding that "3AM" ad was not a tacit endorsement of McCain over Obama, what the hell is this?

    “I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.” -Hilary Clinton

    And if she wants to run on her mythical 35 years of experience and act as if it were some kind of giant trump card, McCain WHOOPS her ass in experience. Guess she's going to have to flip that around in the general.

    Posted by: Jason | Mar 5, 2008 1:17:56 PM


  4. Obamanuts are DELUSIONAL if they think he can win the general election. The one thing that he's proven crystal clear over the course of the primary season, is that he is incapable of winning the BIG STATES. Hillary has trounced him in every one of them. He excels only in caucuses, which are not representative of ANY state in this country. The general election is a GENERAL ELECTION, and their is no evidence that the people will vote for him when the chips are down, be that due to racism, or his perceived lack of expererience.

    I'm also sick of people stating that Hillary is unlikable, when MILLIONS of people have, and continue to vote for her this primary season, despite the unfiltered hatred for her by the media. I guess that means her supporters are just too stupid to jump on the Obama bus. Yeah, i'm sure that's it.

    As far as the delegate counts go, they are essentially TIED. Perhaps he should drop out of the race for the good of the party, and ensure a victory for the dems in november.

    Posted by: michael | Mar 5, 2008 1:24:20 PM


  5. here here michael

    Posted by: davey | Mar 5, 2008 1:30:49 PM


  6. I would also like to point out this little piece of little known info:

    http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/mark-penns-tangled-corporate-web.html

    Is this a new twist on the "enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

    Posted by: Ben | Mar 5, 2008 1:33:07 PM


  7. Derrick

    :-)

    Interns and trips for Bill. Bill LOVES!!!!!!!!!! to go on trips.

    Bill and Michele on trips across the globe restoring our image abroad would be great. Him a Rhodes scholar and she a Harvard Law Grad. WOW The brain power alone of those restorng our image on good will trips while Obama and Hillary tackel our problems.

    Gore as UN ambasador would give me goose bumps and edwads as attorney general with John conyers as deputy AG would round out a wonderful dream team


    Michael

    The big state little state thing is a non issue. This is 2 dems going at each other. It isn't like Obama tried against a repub before and lost all big states and is on his 2nd try for the presidency.

    Hillary does well in larger states where name recgonition helps and one is hampered in holding rallys everywhere to introduce yourself to voters.

    One could say that smaller staes where one can hold rallys that intrduce ones self to larger % of the population shows a weekness for Hillary since she doesn't do well in those places.

    I am an obamahead cultist :-) Who used to dislike Hillary a lot. BUT even I can see the writing on the wall. It is going to be a joint ticket. The math is against hillary getting to the top of the ticket. She has to win 70% victories in all remaining elections to tie Obama for the delegate count.

    We need a unified party

    Like JFK and LBJ the supers will put the younger more charasmatic one (with the most pldged delegates) at the top of the ticket and Hillary will be VP. Their strengths will balance each other out. Hillary as the 1st female VP is no small matter. It isn't the 1st female prez position she craves, but it is 1 step away and a great oppurtunity for her to wash away the public perceptions of her high negatives during 2terms and then run.

    You must ask yourself if you can embrace such a ticket against McCain.

    :-)

    Landis, does this change our bet? A joint ticket?


    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Mar 5, 2008 1:46:55 PM


  8. PS

    Michael it is not tied

    He leads by over 100 (counting supers or not counting supers)and like mentioned she needs 70% wins in all remaining states to tie him.

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Mar 5, 2008 1:48:59 PM


  9. A lead of 100 is essentially a tie, and is in no way insurmountable. At the end of the day NEITHER of them is anywhere near close to the magic number needed for nomination.

    Her doing better in large states due to her name recognition is pure bullshit spin. Everyone in this country not living under a rock knows Baracks name at this point. We all have acces to the same news,internet, and cable systems, so that does'nt fly with me.

    Posted by: michael | Mar 5, 2008 2:07:55 PM


  10. Well guys, with Hillary winning Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, what do you say now? Going to keep drinking the Obama Kool Aide? Let's get real. Outspoken Super Delegates like Donna Brazile, for whom I have great respect, have said that "the Super Delegates will either vote with the popular vote or I will resign as a Super Delegate." Others like Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee of Houston said on CNN that she will vote with Hillary Clinton no matter what the popular vote may be in her district. For those who are unfamiliar, they are both black and two of the most informed, involved and honest individuals in politics today.

    Obama has yet to carry a major state and those contests are essentially over. Momentum will carry Hillary to the finish line. And you must consider that whether the Florida primary gets counted at the convention or not, she won that state by a landslide. So goes the general election.

    Obama has peaked and now he is on defense. And he will stay on defense until he concedes. Obama says "everything including the kitchen sink is being thrown at him", well they haven't even begun. His total inaction on his Senate sub-committee chair is going to be a major issue in the coming days. He could have used that platform to demonstrate his message of change but he has let that golden opportunity pass. Those hearings would have been broadcast on all channels, which is the kind of publicity you can't buy. His complete lack of due diligence confirms that he would rather be an orator than do some real work. In my view, he voted present 160 times in the Senate and never held even one committee meeting because he is afraid of how people will judge him. Whatever the reasons, his total failure to exercise judgment and due diligence clearly demonstrates that he is not Presidential material.

    It is also important to remember that Hillary pulled this off in the face of negative media coverage and being outspent by Obama. CNN spent last night, even after the polls were closed, trying to convince people that she would not carry Texas when the Harris County (Houston) votes were counted. MSNBC was the first to declare her the winner in Texas. No candidate has been able to buy their way into the White House. And that rule seems to be holding.

    Obama can try again at a later time. He is young so time is on is side.

    Wisdom comes with age, which is what I have been saying all along, but few have heard the message. As for Obama, he has a lot to learn. He happened to be in the right place at the right time simply because people are desperate for change. Having the skills and resources to tackle the Herculean tasks waiting for the next President can only be accomplished by someone with vast experience and resources. Hillary has all of those resources because her husband will be at her side. Working together they can and will bring the best minds available to get this country back on track.

    Posted by: Johnny Lane | Mar 5, 2008 2:12:49 PM


  11. A week ago, I was pretty sure it was over for Hillary, but I am glad for her wins last night. Said it before but I'd vote for a paper bag in the fall if the Dems nominate one. I do greatly prefer her over Obama, however.

    Insofar as this race being bad for the party, if we can't survive this battle, the party doesn't deserve to survive. I'd rather Obama and Clinton supporters hash it out here and everywhere now. It's only going to make us and our candidates stronger for the GOP shitstorm of smears coming our way this summer and fall.

    Posted by: Marco | Mar 5, 2008 2:17:09 PM


  12. Here, from Newsweek, is Jonathan Alter's take on how the delegate count would end up if somehow Clinton won every remaining match up, and did so with unexpectedly good margins:

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240

    She still wouldn't win.

    Posted by: 24play | Mar 5, 2008 2:17:27 PM


  13. Michael, but the majority of voters are uninformed voters. They do not read blogs. They do not read more than 1 newspapr at best. They watch very little tv news.

    Those who read blogs and internet news sites are the minority. The eductaed voter is a minority.

    100+ is insurmountable in that neither Obama nor Hillary has hit 70% victories in any state and Hillary needs to hit that in all remaining states.

    Th dem process of proportional delegate awards frustrates us all and makes huge gains hard, but it is far better than the repub authoritaran winner take all BS.

    The supers being mostly elected officials themselves will not overturn the popular vote. They will force a joint a ticket though.

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Mar 5, 2008 2:17:54 PM


  14. Racist Johnny Lane, you are not welcome here. Save your spew for your favorite KKK Web sites.

    Posted by: 24play | Mar 5, 2008 2:19:15 PM


  15. Jason—which is more important to you: winning a debate about which base is more "cultist" or winning the White House. Based on the end of February poll by the Pew Research Center [perhaps where your stats came from], if winning the White House is more important, then y'all had better hope Sen. Clinton gets the nomination.

    "Clinton Draws More Support Among Democrats.
    The vast majority of Democratic voters say they would support either Obama or Clinton over McCain. BUT IN AN OBAMA-MCCAIN MATCHUP, 14% OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS SAY THEY WOULD SUPPORT MCCAIN, compared with 8% who would do so if Clinton is the nominee.

    One-in-five white Democrats (20%) say that they will vote for McCain over Obama, DOUBLE THE PERCENTAGE WHO SAY THEY WOULD SWITCH SIDES IN A CLINTON-MCCAIN MATCHUP (10%). Roughly the same number of Democrats age 65 and older say they WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN IF OBAMA IS THE PARTY'S CHOICE (22%). Obama also suffers more defections among lower income and less educated Democratic voters than does Clinton.

    In addition, female Democrats look at the race differently depending on the matchup. While 93% of women in the party say they would vote for Clinton over McCain, JUST 79% SAY THEY WOULD SUPPORT OBAMA OVER MCCAIN.

    A QUARTER OF DEMOCRATS (25%) WHO BACK CLINTON FOR THE NOMINATION SAY THEY WOULD FAVOR MCCAIN IN A GENERAL ELECTION TEST AGAINST OBAMA. The "defection" rate among Obama's supporters if Clinton wins the nomination is far lower; just 10% say they would vote for McCain in November, while 86% say they would back Clinton.”

    I reiterate my eagerness to support EITHER of them over McCain, and would luv a dual ticket, but the current slight numbers superiority of Obama is not the only way to determine who should be on top of the ticket. Voters are going to be influenced by the positioning, and, as the study above demonstrates, Democrats prefer Clinton over McCain than Obama over McCain. Independents prefer Obama but there are more Democrats than Independents.

    Second, looking beyond this election Obama on top wouldn't make sense strategically. The Vice President is always assumed to be a Party's best next candidate for President except for two variables—relative age and health status. Making Sen. Clinton VP now would weaken Democrats' chances of success in the 2016 election just as 67-yr. old Prick Cheney as Bush's VP made the Repugs have to start from scratch this year. You can bet Bush was both shitting and pissing his pants today when he had to endorse McCain and not simply because he's a doddering old fool.

    Sen. Clinton will be 68 in 2016—a year OLDER than Cheney is today and her health might be just a bad by then, as the older one gets the more associated, cumulative health risks. But Obama will only be 55.

    As for superdelegate "fairness," I haven't read an update on this from February:

    "[After Super Tuesday] Obama said superdelegates "would have to think long and hard about how they approach the nomination when the people they claim to represent have said, 'Obama's our guy.' "

    Then today, David Axelrod [Obama's campaign manager] was asked about two very superdelegates in the state of Massachussetts; you know, where Clinton stood up against the Kennedy machine, Deval Patrick, and John Kerry, to beat them all back and win the state. What should Senators Kennedy and Kerry do and whom should they support, considering they've endorsed Obama, but the people of Massachusetts chose Clinton? Axelrod talking with Matt Lauer:

    AXELROD: I think that the role of the superdelegate is to act as, sort of, a party elder. These are elected officials from across the country and they're supposed to exercise their judgment as to what would be best for the party. And as they look at this, they need to decide who would be the strongest candidate for the party...
    LAUER: David, you're not answering. Should those two senators vote for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton?
    AXELROD: I think they and all the superdelegates should vote according to what they think is best for the party and the country. And I think that we need the strongest possible candidate against John McCain...

    So I guess Obama's strategy is to accept superdelegates who say "Obama's our guy," but if the voters say "Hillary's our girl," those superdelegates should think long and hard about how they approach the nomination and ignore the voters' choice. Got it.” – Huffington Post, February 11, 2008.

    The superdelegates need to understand what's "best for the party/country" in 2008 and looking forward to 2016 is a combined Clinton/Obama ticket with the older, more acceptable to mainline Democrats candidate on top.

    Posted by: Michael Bedwell | Mar 5, 2008 2:20:45 PM


  16. thanks 24 play for that link

    Johny lane of the "greasy haired" comment the other day

    read 24play's link. The math is against her

    Florida is going to be a revote. Christ has already offered to pay for a primary with FL tax payers money. Dean has accepted. That was the biggest hurdle = how to pay for a proper election that doesn't break the rules. It would be bad publicity for either Obama or Hillary to refuse to campaign properly in FL. Michigan will quickly follow since they have even less of a leg to stand on with 3-4 candidates not even being on their ballot.

    We will have a unified ticket. FL and MI wil revote properly following the rules. Hillary will make history as the first female VP and have a great opurtunity to erase her supposed perceived high negatives wit the national public then she will run as Obama's succesor and we could possibly see up to 16 years of Dems in the white house. 2 terms Obama and then 2 terms Hillary.

    It is time to take the fight to McCain Bush jr.

    Posted by: Jimmyboo | Mar 5, 2008 2:26:49 PM


  17. "For those of you who are unfamiliar, they are both black and two of the most informed..."

    Oh, really, Johnny. I thought they were two greasy haired Octoroons with deep tans.

    Johnny, why do you care who wins the Democratic Nomination, you're a Dixiecrat, aren't you? Do you think that if Hillary Clinton read some of your racially incediary comments on this blog, she'd want your vote. If she does, then she doesn't want mine.

    No, Johnny, you go on voting for Strom Thurmond. His greasy-haired grand-children are probably split between Obama and Clinton...maybe a couple of them are what you called Obama: "crack smokin' nigg".... I mean, Republicans. That's what you think all greasy-haired folks do, don'tcha'? But, Johnny, don't some white folks have greasy hair? What about Hillary's husband?

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Mar 5, 2008 2:32:48 PM


  18. If there is a Florida re-vote, Hillary will trounce Obama....again. Obama will not be coasting to victory on the black vote, and the latinos will carry Hillary to victory.....again.

    Posted by: michael | Mar 5, 2008 2:35:57 PM


  19. But michael the latest polls show Obama beating McCain by 9% and Hillary loosing or at best tieing McCain.

    So Obama at the top with hillary having the breathing room (hopefuly 2 terms) to erase her high negativs with the general public is the winning ticket.

    Right now per polls she can't beat Mccain handedly. BUT after 2 terms as the first female VP to erase thse supposed negatives she wll easily trounce whover the repubs run after an Obama administration.

    Anyway; we can aree on wanting to defeat Mccain. We will have to civily disagree and wait for the party leaders to force the ticket with whomever on top.

    You know, i am really starting t smile and feel good about a joint ticket. I look foreward to seeing Old McCain and whoever vs Young and vibrant Obama and Hillary.


    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Mar 5, 2008 2:36:02 PM


  20. PS

    Yes Michael

    Hillary will win the revote in FL, but noweher near the margins that she once thought she had there.

    Michigan now would probably go Obama with it being similar to Wisconsin.

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Mar 5, 2008 2:38:34 PM


  21. "mainline" Democrats = DLC types

    Posted by: Hilarywillbesmashedinthegeneral | Mar 5, 2008 2:47:29 PM


  22. Jimmyboyo, you wrote the Towleroad line of the year: "Christ has already offered to pay for primary with Fl tax payer's money..." LOL

    I guess you're right, brotha' Jimmy, only Jesus could persuade a Republican governor to pay for a Democratic Primary.

    Michael:
    If Barack had to depend on black voters alone, he wouldn't be leading Hillary in the delegate count. And Florida has other kinds of Latinos beside Mexican-American and Cubans. THey have other Caribbean Latinos who have dealt with racism just like us gready haired folks.

    Damn, y'all just won't stop. Y'all want George Wallace back sooooo bad.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Mar 5, 2008 2:51:54 PM


  23. Obamanuts need to get over "polls". Their obsession with them is becoming scary.

    Polls mean nothing, and are not representative of the majority voting public. Time and again "polls" have declared Hillary DOA in this race, and each time she's come back stronger.

    There is no way any poll is gonna accurately predict who will win in an election in november. That's a long time in the future, and so much can change.

    I also think Hillary would win Michigan again in a re-vote.

    Posted by: michael | Mar 5, 2008 2:53:11 PM


  24. What polls would those be, Michael, that have "time and again declared her DOA..."? Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

    Posted by: Jake | Mar 5, 2008 2:57:31 PM


  25. LOL derrick

    Crist christ, how do you spell that closet case's name? Now I am going to have to look it up.

    Ok, it is Crist

    LOL, my bad

    :-)

    Oh, and on the FL latino thing.

    Those are Cuban and Puerto Ricans. Nothing like the latinos Hillary gets huge support from.


    Fl cubans who aren't repub still are angr at Bill fo the elean gonzales hing. Theyalso LOVE Obama's response in the debates about talking to Cuba.

    Puerto ricans are more European latin mixed with a lot of African. Very ittle Indian Latino as in south and central american latino. Totaly different demographic from hillary's Latino base.

    Posted by: Jimmyboy | Mar 5, 2008 2:59:22 PM


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