08/07/2008
Clinton Volcano Rumbles to Life as DNC Convention Nears
As the Democratic National Convention nears, the question is beginning to arise as to how Hillary Clinton will have her voice heard, and at a recent California fundraiser she suggested that she's considering putting her name into nomination.
Said Clinton: "It's as old as, you know, Greek drama. There is a catharsis. I mean everybody comes and they want to yell and scream and have their opportunity, and I think that's all to the good."
New York mag has a round-up of pundits with their thoughts on the issue...
Politico's Ben Smith reports that he received an email from the Clinton and Obama campaigns trying to dampen news of any conflict between them: "We are working together to make sure the fall campaign and the convention are a success. At the Democratic Convention, we will ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected and our party will be fully unified heading into the November election."
Watch the clip, AFTER THE JUMP...
Posted 12:52 PM EST by Andy Towle in Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, News | Permalink
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Dude, if you want to vote for Obama who not only wants to deny your rights but dances around on stage with "ex-gay" Donnie McClurkin then so be it: but you can rest assured no one on this board respects your self-loathing politics, and if you find the truth offensive to you then go screw yourself. A lot of us gays are sick of people like you selling us out to homophobic politicians like Obama and Clinton.
What has the Democratic Party brought you lately? ENDA? Nope! Repeal of Bill Clinton's DOMA? Nope! Repeal of Bill Clinton's DADT? Nope! But you all keep going back to the Democratic Party asking for more of the same. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results. When will you learn the Democratic Party just hates you marginally less than the Republican Party? When will you come out of the political closet and start voting for candidates and a party that will provide us full equality?
Posted by: ANOTHERDEMOCRATICIDIOT | Aug 7, 2008 5:15:12 PM
adidiot
-Obama supports civil unions (as hillary does)while mcshame openly campaigned against them in AZ
-Obama supports gay adoption while mcshame has publicly stated that he is against it, then the LC's got upset and privately he told them it was just for votes, that got published and the fundies got upset and he said to them actually I am 100% against gay adoption
-Obama will repeal DOMA and DADT while mcshame will enforce them
idiots never learn
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RB
you betray yourself
You are just trying to stir up sh@t amongst dems. The proof is in your "leftie" statment. Hillary is a leftie so your supposed support of her rings hollow and as someone with the intent of only pressing salt into dem wounds.
repubs = give it upalready. The dude has lost. The only way mcshame will win is if Obama screws a puppy on live television while shooting a nun in the face with a gun.
Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Aug 7, 2008 5:21:39 PM
a guy who's basically just baiting them, and not really arguing in good faith.
a guy who's basically just baiting them, and not really arguing in good faith.
a guy who's basically just baiting them, and not really arguing in good faith.
a guy who's basically just baiting them, and not really arguing in good faith.
a guy who's basically just baiting them, and not really arguing in good faith.
a guy who's basically just baiting them, and not really arguing in good faith.
Posted by: 24play | Aug 7, 2008 5:22:51 PM
Save me your tired separate but equal argument about Obama supporting civil unions but being against gay marriage. Why do you settle for sloppy seconds? Bill Clinton made a lot of promises to -- like vowing to end discrimination against gays in the military -- but instead gave us DADT and DOMA. Obama already has broken several of his promises like agreeing to accept public financing, no off shore drilling, etc. What makes you think Obama will not break his other promises? Why do you have this pathetic need to engage in a dysfunctional relationship with the Democratic Party? Obama's flirtations with ex-gay McClurkin and his promises to expand George Bush's unconstitutional Faith Based Initiatives Progams speaks volumes about the presumptive nominee. It's tragic the way so many in the LGBTQ community vote for those who treat us like second-class citizens who should be grateful what few scrapes that are tossed from the table to us.
Posted by: AnotherDemocraticIdiot | Aug 7, 2008 5:28:53 PM
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Posted by: AnotherDemocraticIdiot | Aug 7, 2008 5:31:15 PM
RB, ADI- There's no point in arguing with the Obamamaniacs..their golden boy can do no wrong. Even after the sexist remarks and actions towards Hillary and women reporters in general..after the Obama camp was throwing out Muslim's from rallies...Obama promising to retire Hillary's debt and has really done NOTHING but a few thousand dollars...yes people..The best money making Dem in a long time and he can't and won't do more to encourage his supporters to donate to Hill's campaign..what a great man..I don't blame most Dems for sitting out this election.
Posted by: daveynyc | Aug 7, 2008 5:52:53 PM
hillary deserves a highly prominent spot at the convention. she earned it. it is a shame she may not be selected as vp.
i for one will not be voting in this election. i will not vote for mccain, but i am not voting for obama either. he has utterly done nothing symbolic or otherwise to show any regard for clinton or her 18 million supporters. i am not alone in my sentiment.
Posted by: tofer david | Aug 7, 2008 6:02:34 PM
Oh look! All the nutcases are out today!
Christopher/Tofer David is here to keep us all up to date on what's going on in Larry "I Blew Obama in a Limo" Sinclair's multiple fraud cases.
What's up, Tofer? You and your friends manage to scrape up enough dough to bail poor Larry outta the pokey yet?
Posted by: 24play | Aug 7, 2008 6:13:26 PM
Nick, don't you know? IOKIYAR = It's Okay If You're A Republican
Posted by: Treac | Aug 7, 2008 6:28:45 PM
"Oh look! All the nutcases are out today!"
Talking about the pot calling the kettle black, 24Play.
By the way: did you get a piece on any of the Obama/Rezko land deals?
If you want to talk about fraud I give you convicted racketeer and Obama business associate Rezko.
Now why is Obama talking about ending federal oversight of the Teamsters Union for mob influence that has been in place since 1989?
Now why is Obama talking about making John Edwards the attorney general when Edwards has no law enforcement experience and has campaign ties to several convicted racketeers?
Obama is just another putz politician from Chicago's South Side -- and a homophobic one.
Posted by: ANOTHERDEMOCRATICIDIOT | Aug 7, 2008 7:12:37 PM
Damn right her name should be placed in nomination at the convention. With Sen BO allowing Fl and MI to have full voting rights. (what a gracious gesture, considering he MUST win both states for any chance at the whitehouse) he and Sen Clinton are only 59 delegates apart when you count pledged delegates.
H Dean, Pelosi, Brazille and other DNC thugs, browbeat-strong armed superdelegates, AND the Obama PAC shelled out $800,000 to congressional superdelegates to become the SELECTED nominee. Right now Obama is tied with McCain, 4 years ago Kerry had a 13 point lead before the conventions.
Make it an OPEN, let the delegtates choose and vote their hearts and conscience. After all, Sen Clinton only won he popular vote and racked up 312 electoral votes and polls better than obama in several key states. Whose the stronger candidate?
Posted by: david in iowa | Aug 7, 2008 7:30:19 PM
Hey Idiot—try this dunce cap on for size—from someone who preferred Sen. Clinton for the nomination, flamed Sen. Obama repeatedly toward that end, but chooses reality over whatever brand of Shit for Shinola you're selling.
1. Obama never appeared on the same stage with McClurkin. It was wrong to associate with him even by video appearance as he did, but the proof of your general nonsense about Obama is demonstrated by the specific lies/ignorance at its base.
2. Contrary to your juvenile screeching, neither DOMA nor DADT were Clinton's ideas. They would have become laws regardless.
3. The majority of Democrats did not block ENDA, etc., but Repugs.
4. Obama's position on real marriage equality may be no better than most Dems who were competing for the nomination but it is light years away from McShame who is not only against domestic partnerships but campaigned for the state constitutional ban in Arizona [something Obama never did in Illinois] and flip flop flip flop now says he could support an amendment to the US Constitution which Obama is still vehemently opposed to. Obama 3. McShame 0.
In sum, only children threaten to hold their breath until the Perfect Political Candidate arrives. You can stand on that little corner in your mind waiting all you want for that bus to pull up but you ain't going anywhere that way. ADULTS know that it ain't gonna happen, that none of us are perfect, that life is full of compromises, and the best we can do is keep striving for the best we can get at any given moment in time. Is McShame and the American Taliban he's sold his soul to your alternative? Or the green Greens or the moldy Labor Party or fill-in-the-blank? Please share your wisdom with us or just shut the fuck up because you're just bitching to hear yourself bitch.
We already know what the problems are. Suggestions for solutions rather than simpering idiocy from social parasites like you is what we need.
Posted by: Michael Bedwell | Aug 7, 2008 7:36:26 PM
24play? what are you talking about? get some help. you have some issues. I have no clue what you are talking about.
Posted by: tofer david | Aug 7, 2008 7:40:10 PM
BARACK OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT GAY PEOPLE
Posted by: daveynyc | Aug 7, 2008 7:41:02 PM
Michael Bedwell: Why don't YOU just shut the fuck up. Bill Clinton could have vetoed DOMA and DADT, and so what if the then Republican Congress -- with the support of a lot of Democrats I might add -- overrode the veto. At least the so-called leader of the Democratic Party then would have kept his promise and made a political stand. Isn't that what leaders do? But instead the degenerate and corrupt Clinton made scapegoats out of the LGBTQ community for his own politically expedient purposes. And no doubt Obama already is proving to be the same kind of double-talking double-crossing politician. The LGBTQ people who keep apologizing for, defending and explaining away the rampant homophobia in the Democratic Party must really enjoy sitting in their shit.
Posted by: ANOTHERDEMOCRATICIDIOT | Aug 7, 2008 7:54:38 PM
Still waiting for your viable alternative, Idiot.
Waiting.....
Waiting.....
Yawn....
Waiting....
Would someone please save my place in line while I answer Nature's call?
Posted by: Michael Bedwell | Aug 7, 2008 8:02:05 PM
I don't know, Tofer. Maybe I'm TALKING ABOUT THIS:
it should be interesting to everyone that larry sinclair was arrested in DC with a warrant from Delaware.
Interestingly Delawares Attorney General is Joe Biden's son. The AG signed off on the bogus warrant.
Joe Biden is considered to be a major lead for Obama's VP.
Sinclair was held in jail for three days and was not allowed to make a phone call.
Also, his social security benefits were cancelled given the connection to being charged with a crime--something odd about that.
Connection? Look into the facts or just continue to call him a nut. Continue to ignore that something fishy is going on connected to Sinclair. People are scared of what he has to share.
Posted by: tofer | Jun 26, 2008 10:36:44 PM
OR MAYBE THIS:
don't worry. more to follow. what are you so afraid of?
Let's review the facts. Obama is a known coke addict. Obama is tied to Rezko and countless other questionable people from Chicago, the Middle East and across the United States.
There are plenty of rumors surrounding Obama's sexuality.
Sinclair received enough death threats that the Washington DC police and FBI have been involved in ensuring his security. Several organizations and individuals worked tirelessly to ensure Sinclair didn't get the opportunity to speak. Petitions were developed to prevent his right to free speech. What are people so afraid of? That Sinclair might be telling the truth about Obama?
Sinclair owns up to his past indescretions that were illegal. Wait what laws did Sinclair break? He wrote some bad checks. He used the word bitch to cuss out someone in a state where swearing in public will get you arressted. What else did he do that makes him criminal? Oh he has done drugs. Surely no gay man has ever touched drugs. Wasn't it Obama that said the whole point of smoking pot is "to get high." Obama is an admitted coke addict.
Obama's handlers are proving themselves to be far smarter masters of the media than even Bush was.
Posted by: tofer david | Jun 19, 2008 10:07:02 PM
OR PERHAPS THIS:
...Then there is the refusal to report anything additional about Larry Sinclair.
Donald Young the gay choir director at Obama's church was murdered "gang land" style in December 2007. Young claims to have had a sexual relationship with Obama. Young had been in contact with Larry Sinclair and revealed to Larry that he had had relationships with Obama and had contacted Larry Sinclair about the comments he was making about Obama having down crack in 1999 with Sinclair.
For more, got to http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/ or
http://larrysinclair0926.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ls_flyer_idea.jpg
Posted by: tofer david | Apr 28, 2008 7:54:35 PM
NOT TO MENTION THIS:
....i know that some of you blew off larry sinclair, but lately things with him and his pursuits to reveal the truth have gotten very interesting.
you can find more at,
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/
i truly believe that this story will be coming out.
the chicago pd is investigating the links that may exist between the murders of three gay members of obama's church and the alleged contacts that were made by one of the murdered to larry sinclair. all three gay members were murdered in similar gangland style executions in their apartments in apparent robberies. that alone is a bit coincidental. all three murdered within days of each, all three gay members of the wright church and all three murdered similarily.
patrick fitgerald may also be involved as the attorney general in illinois. he is a rising star as attorney generals go.
stay tuned. there are too many coincidences. more information can be found on the larry sinclair site linked above.
Posted by: tofer david | Apr 29, 2008 11:29:23 PM
SHALL I GO ON? I'VE JUST BARELY SCRATCHED THE SURFACE OF YOUR LOONINESS HERE, TOFU.
Posted by: 24play | Aug 7, 2008 8:08:30 PM
24play,
Issues much? You do need some assistance.
Posted by: tofer david | Aug 7, 2008 9:19:59 PM
Jimmyboyo,
I thought that you knew me better than that! I do not post under multiple names and I am NOT just trying to stir up "sh@t amongst dems"! Really, are you kidding me?
And in regards to betraying myself, get real! I do NOT live in the closet, I am not afraid to stand up for what I believe in and resent your comment.
Nothing could be further from the truth! Yes I would be a stronger supporter of the maverick McCain from a few years back. However, Obama is NOT qualified to run the country. I can assure you that given the choices we have today I would CROSS PARTY LINES AND VOTE FOR HILLARY knowing what I know now. I did the same for Bill, twice! Why can you not understand that? HE, OBAMA, IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE THE PRESIDENT! I do not think that he can beat McCain. Of course I will be the first to say that I am wrong if he does. Somehting that I am sure others here will not.
Jimmyboyo, you betray me. If all I wanted to do was "stir" I would not continue to post, repeatedly for over two years here on the blog I enjoy. I would not use the same screen name the whole time. Yes I believe differently than most others that post here. However I thought that over time I had earned some respect for not being your regular run of the mill closeted republican! Wrong my friend, your comment was out of bounds and crossed the line.
If I wanted to read the posts of people that sounded just like me I would spend my time on gaypatriot. Get real...
Posted by: RB | Aug 7, 2008 10:04:55 PM
Bitter cunt, party of 2 (I'm including Bill "$250k per speech" in the count), your table is ready.
Posted by: Brad | Aug 7, 2008 11:07:07 PM
RB, you may not be closeted but you are a bit of a concern troll. And I suspect you have other issues if you can say, with a straight face, that you'd vote for Clinton but absolutely lose your mind at the thought of voting for Obama when the two of them are nearly one in the same. Whatever.
Posted by: Jason | Aug 8, 2008 12:11:45 AM
Jason,
you're probably right about RB's "issues" especially considering the fact that he has referred to Obama as a "socialist" more than a few times. What does that make Hillary?
Posted by: Nick | Aug 8, 2008 12:22:48 AM
I have issues? Really! I don't think so! So basically you have agreed that BOTH of them are socialists and I have issues?!
I believe that they are BOTH socialists, but the main difference is that she will NOT vote against the country and will swing more centrists, as did Bill and Obama will not. He "knows" what is best for Americans. He knows that America is "no longer what it used to be". Michelle for the "first time in her adult life is proud to be an American"! Give me a break.
Issues? kiss my ass! I spent 35 years trying to be straight. I was married, I have two smal children. I faced my wife of over 11 years and came out. I faced my parents and my work. I have spoken before my city council for homophobic remarks and continue to fight for rights at the local level and I owe you no explanation for my personal life but here it is. I do not want to hear "issues" from someone that does not even know me! You really have some nerve here!!! When you cannot find anything else to say you come out swinging with personal jabs. Grow the hell up and find some real "issues" to fight!
Posted by: RB | Aug 8, 2008 5:34:48 AM
RB, Don't let the provacateurs get to you, Bro. Although I disagree strongly with your political choices this election (I would never vote for Hillary for any position because I have seen her in action and have never encountered a more duplicitous, vengeful, or elitist person) I never question your sincerity or motives. When commenters start tossing around accusations of "having issues," they are merely projecting their own feelings of inadequacey and insecurity. The dedication you bring to your fight for equality for your family and our "family" is beyond question.
I agree that Obama is somewhat inexperienced but I trust the people with whom he has surrounded himself. Moreover, Obama delegates decision making, as any chief executive must, whereas (having worked with his staff) McCain does not listen to his advisors and reminds me of Jimmy Carter in his control freak managerial style. The decisional point this this year, for me, is two-fold: (1) McCain is experientially erratic, if not also certifiably crazy, (I have seen him go ballistic without cause on fine people of unquestioned integrity [remind you of someone?]) and (2) most importantly, the upcoming appointments to the Supremes are simply too critical and potentially injurious for a generation of jurisprudence regarding our basic civil rights as gay men to risk the choices that would be made by McCain.
Whomever is elected President will inevitably raise taxes. E.g., We cannot continue to expend $72m explicitly per day on the Iraq war alone without increasing tax revenues. The infrastructure in this country is crumbling and inflation is heating up. We are facing the very real possibility of Carteresque stag-flation. Many here do not, but I do, remember the Carter years of stagnant wages and weekly increases in food and fuel commodity prices together with 18-20% borrowing rates, for those with perfect credit. McCain has no experience--indeed no interest--in economics. He has never had to concern himself with trying to feed, clothe, and educate his family. He was a legacy appointment to the Academy who married money when he saw the opportunity, despite being already married.
McCain has a woefully undeveloped moral compass. That he is a hero for enduring what he did in Viet Nam is beyond peradventure but that does not qualify him to be President. I simply cannot trust him, based on repeated painful, if not altogether bizarre, interaction with him and his staff.
Know that I will always have your back, RB, even when we disagree politically. Take care of yourself and your family. Don't let the political PC police on Towleroad push you away with their personal attacks. They lack the integrity and compassion that you abundantly possess.
Posted by: rudy | Aug 8, 2008 9:12:23 AM
You must remember most of the Obama supporters on here are a little scared that Obama is not further ahead in the polls right now..so as Obama once said in one of his sexist remarks:
"When you challenge the staus quo the claws come out"
Posted by: davyenyc | Aug 8, 2008 9:50:47 AM