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Obama and McCain Debate at Ole Miss: a Wrap-Up

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Last night, presidentical candidates Barack Obama and John McCain held their first debate at the University of Mississippi, also known as Ole Miss in Oxford, Mississippi. Here are some wrap-ups from various news organizations. Overall, Obama did favorably in mainstream polls while most pundits agreed there were no big blunders that gave one candidate an advantage over the other, and no real game changers.

road.jpg Debate transcript.
road.jpg CNN Debate Poll: 51% Obama, 38% McCain - McCain failed to get "game changer".
road.jpg CBS Poll: Obama boosted most.
road.jpg MSNBC Live Vote Poll: Obama 51%, McCain 35%
road.jpg The New Republic: Focus groups, undecideds overwhelmingly for Obama...
road.jpg Marc Ambinder: CBS News/Knowledge Network Undecideds for Obama...
road.jpg Mark Halperin report card overall grades: Obama A-, McCain B-
road.jpg Philadelphia Inquirer: "I'll call it a tie...I bet the polls don't change much."
road.jpg TPM: No real game changers.
road.jpg Lack of eye contact from McCain a sign of contempt, anger, fear:

road.jpg Washington Post Fact Checker!
road.jpg New Republic: "Obama just gave a terrific, honest explanation of his economic agenda."
road.jpg NYT Live Blog: No blunders, but no big gains.
road.jpg Miami Herald: Obama engages McCain on diss of Spain. "He even said the other day that he would not meet potentially with the prime minister of Spain, because he -- you know, he wasn't sure whether they were aligned with us," Obama said. "I mean, Spain? Spain is a NATO ally. If we can't meet with our friends, I don't know how we're going to lead the world in terms of dealing with critical issues like terrorism."
road.jpg MSNBC: Longer format helps Obama. "He's on message, hitting his talking points on the contrasts with John McCain on taxes, his plans for healthcare and energy independence. He seemed to cover more ground than McCain whose main points were about cutting government spending. For several minutes, Obama was the only one to interrupt his opponent, which seemed to be an attempt to show his willingness to fight back."
(thanks, jesse)

Both candidates have already posted ads featuring footage from the debates. Watch them, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. Hmmm, so where are those ad's that McCain posted before the debate with McCain as a clear "winner"? Anyone? ... Anyone? ... Bueller? ... Bueller?

    Posted by: Cj | Sep 27, 2008 12:42:44 PM


  2. nobody won shit, dahling... BORING, BORING BORING!!! ah those boring debates, did anyone bother to see them... put me right to sleep...we watched about 2 minutes and said oh please mary... so me my husband, the countess de gooch (certainly not consuelo who is now being detained by the immigration authorities pending further investigation in her status as an illegal here -- will she be deported or not, i dunno -- must consult lou dobbs on this one) went to taco hell ordered tons of food and bought a couple of bottles of tequila and drove to the beach where we had on old fashioned beach party just like the college kids do... what fun..

    what is more important, is that Paul Newman died... i have mixed feelings about him... he was a good actor -- certainly simply gorgeous in his prime -- but doesn't quite rank being in the great pantheon of stars, tho i'm sure there are those among you who will disagree... his wife had the bigger talent i think... the fabulous joanne woodward -- she certainly deserved her oscar for the 3 faces of eve and i love her in the effect of gamma rays on man in the man marigolds -- out of print i think but certainly worth looking for...

    Posted by: the queen | Sep 27, 2008 1:18:12 PM


  3. McCain definitely wasn't a clear "winner" so that ad can be retired. Trying to look at it objectively, I think he did well enough so that the train wreck that his campaign had become over the past 2 weeks has been cleaned up a bit. He seemed relatively in command of the facts, and he certainly performs better in a debate setting than he does reading a speech. In an effort to be forceful, however, he came off as bitter, angry, and condescending, unable to even look at Obama, his biggest mistake of the night. Obama, by contrast, remained admirably cool throughout, confident enough to look at and even agree with his opponent on a few points. He also seemed presidential, which should put an end to the idiotic Republican spin that Palin is somehow more prepared for the office than Obama. I'm guessing McCain is not looking forward to the VP debate. Palin has gone from his savior to potentially the hugest mistake of his campaign in a few short weeks.

    Posted by: Ernie | Sep 27, 2008 1:21:29 PM


  4. A quick search of the transcript from last night's debate turned up not one use of the words "poor," "poverty," "impoverished," "lower class," or any variation of the word "unemployed" from either candidate (or Lehrer). I get that the message didn't resonate when Edwards used it. I get that many in the middle and upper classes resent the poor. I get that there are many who call themselves "middle class" in America who live below the poverty level. But damn! It seems an exponentially expanding voting block, a block that crosses the lines of ethnicity and religion, just isn't worth the pursuit. That is one of more than a few reasons I now consider myself less pro-Democrat than anti-Republican. Liberty and justice should be for all, not just for those who can afford it.

    Posted by: clementine | Sep 27, 2008 1:28:19 PM


  5. Queen, darling, I found this quotation from a Republican operative:

    "If people are bored, that plays to our benefit," said RNC spokesman Alex Conant, who explained that Obama fans -- "expecting to hear one of his rally speeches" -- would feel let down by his discursions into policy.

    Of course the McCain folks would rather not hear discussions of policy either, because his policies suck. McCain wants everyone to just tune out. Maybe next week they'll orchestrate some kind of power black out so the VP debate can't happen. They're bound to try something!

    Posted by: Kevinvt | Sep 27, 2008 1:36:58 PM


  6. http://fablog.ehrensteinland.com/2008/09/27/buckaroo-banzai-vs-the-world-crime-league/

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 27, 2008 1:40:31 PM


  7. David,

    If Towleroad wanted to link to your tired old site he would have listed it on the blogroll.

    Now, shoo!

    Posted by: Raif | Sep 27, 2008 2:46:05 PM


  8. Go eat The Countess de Gooch's dripping cooze "RAIF"!

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 27, 2008 3:41:36 PM


  9. Raif

    If one wishes to be a critic of the blogs of others then one would do well to start their own blog. David, keep doing what you are doing
    ---------------------------------------

    Queen

    The debates are not geared to repubs or dems. Both have already decided who they are voting for. The debates are geared to the indies who will decide this thing.

    As Andy posted CNN poll, CBS poll, MCNBC poll

    Heck the FOX news!!! focus group of undecideds/ indies overwhelmingly said Obama won the debate

    Time's poll

    http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/
    what_sayeth_the_undecideds.html?xid=rss-
    topstories

    Says the same. Obama won. Indies were turned off by the mean old man.

    Obama did exactly what he had to do and that was hold his own on mcshame's turf of foreign affairs while also soothing indie's fears of him being a mad/mean black man.

    In the end neither your mcshame support nor my Obama support matters. We cancel each other out. It is all up to the indies, and after last night the indies are loving Obama and they dislike the mean old man.

    --------------------

    Obama and all of us need to thank Senator Hillary Clinton for toughening Obama up during the primaries. Thank Hillary for debating Obama in 22 debates which worked to refine and improve Obama's debating abilities.

    Thank you Hillary Clinton!

    Thank her by helping to retire her debt

    https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com/
    form.html?sc=1

    (even $5 helps if coming from a lot of different people, so despite this economy all Obama supporters should be able to send at least $5) Of course $1,000 would be nice ;-)

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Sep 27, 2008 4:30:03 PM


  10. I'm confused by McCain's ad. Because Obama says McCain is right on some fact makes him not ready to lead? Doesn't that imply that McCain is *wrong*?

    Posted by: gabriel | Sep 27, 2008 5:47:50 PM


  11. again, obama takes the high road... and mccain, with selective editing shows how desperate he's become. maccian might benefit from reading "i don't have to be wrong for you to be right".

    @gabriel: the ad is confusing. obviously he had to go fast and dirty with this after his "mcain wins debate" ads went into the dumpster.

    looking forward to the VP debate next week, if palin doesn't bow out of the ticket before hand. they might attempt to stall it by saying that both sided were unable to iron out the "preconditions" of the evening.

    also looking forward to gwen ifil from PBS being the moderator.

    Posted by: my2cents | Sep 27, 2008 6:09:43 PM


  12. Gee, based on the links Andy supplied, you would think NOBODY at all out thought McCain won the debate or even performed well, which is not what several pundits expressed last night.

    Then again, this is Andy's blog and he has no pretense or requirement to be "fair and balanced."

    Still, the links provide only a partial perspective on the debate performance last night.

    Posted by: LightningLord | Sep 27, 2008 6:53:42 PM


  13. Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.


    “St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.


    “What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.


    “This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.


    “Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”


    Posted by: HOGB | Sep 27, 2008 7:06:45 PM


  14. lightninglord

    Pundits? who carers! The polls baby, its all about the polls of indies/undecided voters.

    Go try to round up those pundits because those few votes vs overwhelming majority of indies is what decides the election.

    Anyway;

    My2cents, she just might have to bow out

    Check this out

    The president of Paraguay refused to meet with palin when invited to. Turned it into a joke over dinner with friends

    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/
    2008/09/president_of_pa/

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Sep 27, 2008 7:09:04 PM


  15. Amazing. The white supremacist troll cites a far-right politician's nonsensical claim that having public officials call out Republican lies about Obama is some kind of police-state tactic. Shameless and pathetic, from Blunt and the white-sheet wearing HOGB.

    Posted by: MAJeff | Sep 27, 2008 7:35:00 PM


  16. I wonder if the Klan-troll would agree that having Governor's Schwarzenegger or Pawlenty work on behalf of McCain is the equivalent of having the states of California and Minnesota endorse and work on behalf of that Senator....because that's the equivalent of what Blunt is claiming.

    Posted by: MAJeff | Sep 27, 2008 7:41:42 PM


  17. Oh my . . . Tony Rezko is talking to the feds according to whispers in Chicago: http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/1186553,CST-NWS-SNEED26.article

    Posted by: HOGB | Sep 27, 2008 8:08:30 PM


  18. Oh HOGB, you silly goose. I love when you quote Fox "News", it's my entertainment for the day. God bless your little patriotic heart. Now, why don't you be a good little boy and get blessed by Pastor Muthee alongside Sarah Palin, those inner demons need to be exercised.

    Posted by: Cj | Sep 27, 2008 8:49:42 PM


  19. HOGB

    Michael Sneed (your link) cites a rumor told by a 3rd person = hearsay LOL

    Not even mentioning the fact that rezko in his testimony exonerated Obama. Its in the freaking court records. LOL

    Looking up Michael Sneed.......WOW has a history of falsehoods and never apologizing for them when busted.

    1 lie even caused an international rucus when april 2007 claimed VT shooter was an unnamed Chinese national. Turned out to be false and China was pissed/ demanded a retraction. The Chicago Sun times never ever ever apologized.

    Michael Sneed also waxes poetic often about palin and "STUD" first dude.

    Hmmmmmm

    Weren't you also the one who ranted on and on about that old fat dude that claimed to have sex and do drugs with Obama? Later he was busted for lieing in 2 lie detector tests.

    your sources sure do suck

    You are going to really hate the next 4 yrs aren't you? Obama wins and your going to be sitting in a corner, wearing just your underware and your KKK hoo,d rocking back and forth, drooling, and babbling nonsense.

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Sep 27, 2008 9:08:29 PM



  20. Well Jimmy 3rd person rumors about affairs and campaign workers sexuality seem to be enough for you when you need it though.

    The smell of spin and desperation in this thread is hilarious. I don't really see a clear winner from last night and I've sat and watched it twice today.

    Last week all I saw were these big words from people talking about some sort of Obama smack down. I guess the "old man" had a little more in him than you thought. Obama's strength lies in prepared speeches with soaring rhetoric and not so much unprepared situations.

    The polls I saw on CNN last night with "independent voters" commenting are the same type of tactics in the alst election. What I really saw was a parade of Democratic talking points about age, experience, and the rest of the garbage that has been tossed around for the last couple of months.

    Now I guess you will all move onto trash talking about how Biden with mop the floor with Palin and blah blah blah. What should people take away from this debate?

    It ain't over till it's over and it is far from over...as many of you predicted it would be last week...and all the trash talking didn't cover the fact that Obama didn't get it done last night...again.

    Posted by: Las Vegas | Sep 27, 2008 10:12:05 PM



  21. Well Jimmy 3rd person rumors about affairs and campaign workers sexuality seem to be enough for you when you need it though.

    The smell of spin and desperation in this thread is hilarious. I don't really see a clear winner from last night and I've sat and watched it twice today.

    Last week all I saw were these big words from people talking about some sort of Obama smack down. I guess the "old man" had a little more in him than you thought. Obama's strength lies in prepared speeches with soaring rhetoric and not so much unprepared situations.

    The polls I saw on CNN last night with "independent voters" commenting are the same type of tactics in the alst election. What I really saw was a parade of Democratic talking points about age, experience, and the rest of the garbage that has been tossed around for the last couple of months.

    Now I guess you will all move onto trash talking about how Biden with mop the floor with Palin and blah blah blah. What should people take away from this debate?

    It ain't over till it's over and it is far from over...as many of you predicted it would be last week...and all the trash talking didn't cover the fact that Obama didn't get it done last night...again.

    Posted by: Las Vegas | Sep 27, 2008 10:12:40 PM


  22. McCain was transparently angry. I think it goes beyond the debate or even the campaign.

    John McCain suffered unimaginably in service to the rest of us. When his sacrifices are denigrated or ignored by those who never endured such treatment, his anger is understandable. I believe this instance is more revealing than the debate.
    John McCain suffered unimaginably in service to the rest of us. When his sacrifices are denigrated or ignored by those who never endured such treatment, his anger is understandable. I believe this instance is more revealing than the debate: http://www.fairandunbalanced.com/?http://www.testimoanials.com/blog/blog1.php/2008/09/25/transcendent-heroism

    Posted by: Burr Deming | Sep 27, 2008 10:41:33 PM


  23. Debate One - Obama

    http://elurbanisto.blogspot.com/2008/09/debate-one-obama.html

    Posted by: GMichael | Sep 27, 2008 10:47:54 PM


  24. @MAJEFF

    "Is that the point of an Obama campaign? To elect the first victim-in-chief and indict the opposition as bigots when the polls are close or when he doesn't get his way?" See http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080928_Back_Channels__Obama_s_lowball_attacks.html

    Comparing those who criticize Obama to the KKK is despicable, and this gestapo-like tactic you employ -- racist in its own right -- surely will backfire on election day. The only bigot out there is Obama who opposes gay marriage out of his self-admitted Christianist beliefs.

    My prediction is that many people in the privacy of the voting booth will vote against Obama in revolt against the mass hysteria of Obama supporters who attempt to shut down all dissent with their boorish and sometimes criminal behaviour.

    Posted by: HOGB | Sep 28, 2008 7:16:03 AM


  25. "Is that the point of an Obama campaign? To elect the first victim-in-chief and indict the opposition as bigots when the polls are close or when he doesn't get his way?"

    http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080928_Back_Channels__Obama_s_lowball_attacks.html

    Posted by: HOGB | Sep 28, 2008 7:35:14 AM


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