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'No on Prop 8' Releases Third Ad: 'Lies'

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The 'No on Prop 8' campaign released its third ad this afternoon, taking a more aggressive approach toward opponents of same-sex marriage, warning voters of the scare tactics being used by the right-wingers.

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  1. Um... You have a "Yes on 8" ad running ON THIS SITE!

    I thought it was part of this post, but it's not. I clicked on it and it goes to www.protectmarriage.com

    It's below the tags, above the "Like it?" section of the post and again right below the comment box. What's that about?!

    Posted by: Aman Chaudhary | Oct 9, 2008 8:29:21 PM


  2. There are actually multiple "Yes on 8" ads on this site. This is bizarre... Don't web sites have ANY control over the ads that are placed on their site? I'd suggest that any money you've received from these ads be sent to the "No on 8" campaign and I would find a way to make sure that they never appear on your site again...

    Posted by: DavidinSF | Oct 9, 2008 8:49:08 PM


  3. Wow - never thought I'd see that ad here. Maybe Mark Buse is filling in for Andy today?

    Posted by: Kevin | Oct 9, 2008 8:51:11 PM


  4. I think those must be random ads that run. On my screen they are for HP and Aetna with a No on 8 ad on the bottom right.

    Posted by: uflyguy | Oct 9, 2008 8:55:02 PM


  5. Andy: PLEASE ban yourself from Towleroad!
    You are allowing Yes on Prop 8 display ads on this website and it is confusing to people and trying to manipulate them into voting FOR Prop 8!

    This is WORSE than anything THE QUEEN ever does and you must ban yourself immediately!

    Unlike me, the other people who read this site CANNOT distinguish the ads that appear on this site from the content you post, and are not as smart as me and might be easily fooled and manipulated!

    Andy - DON'T let people be exposed to different points of view! Ban yourself!!

    Posted by: PeterPorker | Oct 9, 2008 9:01:36 PM


  6. That ad sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It will not persuade one single person who is already thinking of voting yes. In fact I think it may insult more libertarians that are homophobic into voting yes. Stupid!!


    These ads need to be family based. Older parents of gay people talking to other older parents of children of any kind. They need to appeal to the heart of grandma and grandpa who don't have gay children. Personalize it for them. It's a tall order but it's what will make or break this thing.

    Posted by: realitythink | Oct 9, 2008 9:50:47 PM


  7. Andy,
    If you know any of the people involved in this media campaign please ask them if they've involved PFLAG in this.

    Posted by: realitythink | Oct 9, 2008 9:53:27 PM


  8. First: Regarding the Pro-8 ads on this site, to be honest I didn't even notice until I read the comments - yeah it's kinda weird, but it is a web ad guys... think of it as they wing nuts funding us! LOL... I'm sure that the wingnut blogs are getting No-on-8 ads also...

    Second, and more important...
    BRAVO FOR THE LIES AD! It is EXACTLY what was needed. The Pro-8 folks are being called out FINALLY for what they are: LIARS! How are they going to respond?
    We have the TRUTH on our side... THEY ARE LIARS! MOST EXCELLENT!

    Posted by: Mike | Oct 9, 2008 9:54:56 PM


  9. Andy - can you educate us all on how advertising works on the internets? I am sure the "Yes on HATE" zealots purchased ad space based on keywords. They will stop at nothing and neither should we! Vote! Volunteer! Donate! www.noonprop8.com

    Posted by: Tweety | Oct 9, 2008 9:56:25 PM


  10. Folks in California are very sensitized and suspicious of initiative ads. If folks aren't sure they will vote NO! Especially for a Constitutional change which will remove peoples rights. We've already had the family ads, we have already had the soft sell. You can't let negative ads which are LIES go unchallenged. You have to be forceful, direct and BLUNT. They are LIARS, and right now... I think the Pro8 camp is in SHOCK... They can whine all they want now, but we now have a simple one word message: LIAR! And I don't know about you, but I hate to be lied to... I think this again was exactly what was needed. Thank goodness someone had the guts to do it!

    Posted by: Mike | Oct 9, 2008 10:02:54 PM


  11. It's about time. I'm not sure why the more liberal factions - Democratic Party included - consistently tip toe around issues when the conservatives out and out lie. Terrorists, forced teachings of children, loss of tax exempt status' - crazy and yet no one with any power says anything.

    Posted by: Brian | Oct 9, 2008 10:12:14 PM


  12. probably the mormons or some other sponsor of prop. 8 uses a marketing firm to run some search engine out on the web and grab all references to prop. 8 (pro or con) and have ads placed in them. i've seen some pretty inappropriate ads on some sites because of this.

    anyhow, i just did a "remove it permanently" command that comes with my firefox browser and i don't have to see it anymore

    Posted by: alguien | Oct 9, 2008 10:12:52 PM


  13. probably the mormons or some other sponsor of prop. 8 uses a marketing firm to run some search engine out on the web and grab all references to prop. 8 (pro or con) and have ads placed in them. i've seen some pretty inappropriate ads on some sites because of this.

    anyhow, i just did a "remove it permanently" command that comes with my firefox browser and i don't have to see it anymore

    Posted by: alguien | Oct 9, 2008 10:13:26 PM


  14. hey,
    Obviously we're not supporting these ads. they are coming through Google's contextual ad service. I've been trying to block the urls for the past hour or so and have sent soem urgent mail to the Google Adsense folks.

    In general our policy is that we have no problem if people who respectfully disagree with us want to spend money supporting the site for which we still get 10% of the ad rates that we would if our spectacular audience were straight.

    That said, the key word in our policy is respectful and neither of us feel these ads or the entire rhetoric of this referendum to be respectful. In fact it almost falls into the category of Ann Coulter. Disrespectful and banned.

    Further, since these are Google contextual ads, we don't even make money from them unless people click them, and i'd say that ours is among the least likely audience to click on their ads and minorly draw down their treasury.

    In unrelated news, and to make this up to you all we have decided that for your trouble we will be donating all revenues we make from advertising this evening to the No On 8 campaign. The initiative we started in the post yesterday raised $26,000 by the endd of the day and we're proud to follow on with that.

    If you would like to join us then click on the ad.

    ...the ad at the bottom of the page in the footer that will connect you with the No on 8 Campaign to make a donation.

    Thanks,
    Mike and Andy

    Posted by: Goff | Oct 9, 2008 10:13:45 PM


  15. probably the mormons or some other sponsor of prop. 8 uses a marketing firm to run some search engine out on the web and grab all references to prop. 8 (pro or con) and have ads placed in them. i've seen some pretty inappropriate ads on some sites because of this.

    anyhow, i just did a "remove it permanently" command that comes with my firefox browser and i don't have to see it anymore

    Posted by: alguien | Oct 9, 2008 10:14:15 PM


  16. Mike and Andy- you are the best! Keep up the great work!

    Posted by: Tweety | Oct 9, 2008 10:22:25 PM


  17. what's with the "yes on prop 8" ads on your site andy??? wtf

    Posted by: bosie | Oct 9, 2008 10:31:39 PM


  18. Much better...now are we going to see this add everywhere????????

    Posted by: Fab | Oct 9, 2008 10:52:24 PM


  19. If they don't cut these ads shortly i am going to pull Google ads from our California pages. I'm in LA and it's ridiculous.

    In response to 2 emails : Don't click on ad if you're not truly interested. That would cost the advertiser money, and...and...uh, it would uh ...could hurt the sacred bond of support publishers and advertisers. Definitely tell your friend who is a publisher he can't ask users to click ads. It's against the terms of service..

    This, I guess, is not a terrible time to let folks know that we appreciate that you pay for all we do here by sharing that little bit of attention you pay to the ads as you read along.

    That said, if you see an ad that really isn't right -- is disrespectful, or doing something suspicious -- we want to know and we want to be able to do something about it. (Clear your cache and try it again before sending flame mail though?)

    I suppose the best way to describe how ads work online is to call it promiscuous. there are many parties with many partners involved. We try to draw the most relevant and engaging ads wherever they are. These marriage ads are easily identified as coming from Google. Other times it's almost impossible to know which service a banner comes from without more info.

    If it's a plain ad, just right click and copy the link information, paste in a mail and send to us at tips at towleroad com. If it's moving or showing video then it's probably a Flash ad and right click won't get anything. In that case tell us as much as you can. The firebug add-on to Firefox will let you see the link, but if you're not that geeky, a screenshot is helpful. Send whatever you can get with the page you were on and the name and version of the browser you were using to "tips" at towleroad. We appreciate it.

    And don't forget the main reason for that mailbox. Use it when you find those unpublished, newsworthy photos of male models or South American soccer players, bits of news or somehting that would make a good Towleroad post.
    Thanks to all of you for the tips. We try to keep up but can't respond to all of them. Doesn't mean we don't appreciate it or that you shouldn't keep us in mind and send more. The only way this happens is with the great support and participation of so many others.

    Your suggestions and help making appropriate advertisers aware of us is always welcome.

    Mike

    Posted by: Goff | Oct 9, 2008 11:22:35 PM


  20. This ad is better.

    However, they still need to be running spanish language ads and ads targeting the black community rather than pressuming as many white gays do that those audiences are unreachable. As you should have learned from Obama- sometimes you win by showing up rather than giving up before trying. Rather than engaging those audience or even trying to poll them- I've seen a lot of sterotypes being passed off as fact. At the very least- this can help with the war of attrition. Meaning that if you win even a small percentage over, that's a percentage you need not worry about on Nov 5th. If the gay movement wasn't so isolated or myopic, and had built relationships- you would know all of this. Finally, the other element that I would love to see is the hit them in the gut ad of what happens if the law passes. Don't leave the rights abstract. I would love to see a gay couple being denied something in an ad because they are gay- something fundamental- like healthcare benefits which a company won't cover under civil unions, but will cover under marriage for example like one fines in NJ. Why aren't people on the ball with these sorts of things?

    Posted by: Akaison | Oct 10, 2008 12:33:29 AM


  21. This ad is better.

    However, they still need to be running spanish language ads and ads targeting the black community rather than pressuming as many white gays do that those audiences are unreachable. As you should have learned from Obama- sometimes you win by showing up rather than giving up before trying. Rather than engaging those audience or even trying to poll them- I've seen a lot of sterotypes being passed off as fact. At the very least- this can help with the war of attrition. Meaning that if you win even a small percentage over, that's a percentage you need not worry about on Nov 5th. If the gay movement wasn't so isolated or myopic, and had built relationships- you would know all of this. Finally, the other element that I would love to see is the hit them in the gut ad of what happens if the law passes. Don't leave the rights abstract. I would love to see a gay couple being denied something in an ad because they are gay- something fundamental- like healthcare benefits which a company won't cover under civil unions, but will cover under marriage for example like one fines in NJ. Why aren't people on the ball with these sorts of things?

    Posted by: Akaison | Oct 10, 2008 12:34:57 AM


  22. Yes, Realitythink, PFLAG has been used in a quiet way that gets a surprising amount of unnoticed attention, they signed the ballot argument in opposition. Read here: www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm

    Posted by: Aaron | Oct 10, 2008 1:47:50 AM


  23. Prop 8 will pass and there is nothing you can do about it. Obama's popularity in California will ensure that blacks, who are socially conservative, will bring home the bacon for the pro-Prop 8 crowd.

    The gay community's overall campaign has been atrocious. Absolutely atrocious. There's too much of this cloistered mentality in the American gay community. It's a mentality which assumes that it's only the "evil conservatives" who will vote for Prop 8. I'm telling you now there are tons of our so-called friends - the liberals - who will vote for it.

    Posted by: ahmed | Oct 10, 2008 2:14:39 AM


  24. I don't like the voice over who can threaten the ones who haven't made up their minds yet.

    I think a woman 's voice would have been much more better.

    I don't think this ad will change anything to the vote anyway...

    Posted by: taz389 | Oct 10, 2008 7:39:43 AM


  25. I once again repeat- why do people get to come on here and make stuff up about race without any evidence beyond what they feel? It's funny this as is about lying, and yet, what are these lies over race? The fact is most antit gay amendments have passed in this country including in states with low or next to no black or minority populations. Rather than reaching out to the black and latino community, people choose to demonize them. This attitude is precisely why we lose. The attitude should be- let's find out can we sway AAs and Latinos rather than they are not persuadable. How do you know? Have you tried? Where are the ads for this? Are there spokes people on black and latino radio from the No Campaign for this? I am going to take a wild guess by assuming the answer is no. We lose because we don't do the necessary grassroots building, and then come to people a few weeks before elections to try to change their minds. This is why the Democrats used to lose until the advent of the netroots and 50 state strategy among other efforts to change things around. Gay groups should advocate similar outreach efforts. Rather than assuming people are against you, why not engage them?

    Posted by: akaison | Oct 10, 2008 9:40:19 AM


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