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Huckabee: Gays Haven't Crossed 'Civil Rights' Violence Threshold

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee was on The View today talking about same-sex marriage and declaring that gay rights are not civil rights because gays have not had violence inflicted upon them like Blacks have.

HuckabeeSaid Huckabee: "People who are homosexuals should have every right in terms of their civil rights, to be employed, to do anything they want. But that’s not really the issue. I know you talked about it and I think you got into it a little bit early on. But when we’re talking about a redefinition of an institution, that’s different than individual civil rights. We’re never going to convince each other...But here is the difference. Bull Connor was hosing people down in the streets of Alabama. John Lewis got his skull cracked on the Selma bridge."

No doubt Harvey Milk, Matthew Shepard, Teish Cannon, and the thousands of other victims of anti-gay hate crimes would beg to differ, if they could. As Think Progress notes, "Huckabee’s lame violence threshold is nothing more than a shoddy attempt to conceal his deep and fundamental homophobia."

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  1. civil rights:

    rights that a nation's inhabitants enjoy by law. The term is broader than "political rights," which refer only to rights devolving from the franchise and are held usually only by a citizen, and unlike "natural rights," civil rights have a legal as well as a philosophical basis. In the United States civil rights are usually thought of in terms of the
    specific rights guaranteed in the Constitution: freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press, and the rights to due process of law and to equal protection under the law.

    That's the definition of civil rights. It sounds like being gay falls under equal protection of the law to me.

    Posted by: QueenZafrona | Nov 19, 2008 7:20:49 AM


  2. civil rights:

    rights that a nation's inhabitants enjoy by law. The term is broader than "political rights," which refer only to rights devolving from the franchise and are held usually only by a citizen, and unlike "natural rights," civil rights have a legal as well as a philosophical basis. In the United States civil rights are usually thought of in terms of the
    specific rights guaranteed in the Constitution: freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press, and the rights to due process of law and to equal protection under the law.

    That's the definition of civil rights. It sounds like being gay falls under equal protection of the law to me.

    Posted by: QueenZafrona | Nov 19, 2008 7:21:33 AM


  3. Hey Andy.
    It's great that you care and everything but one of your posts links to a video with a comments section that's one of the violently homophobic in all of YOuTube. I moved the video to my account since the more hits on a channel the more chance they have of becoming a partner. IN other words, the person allowing all that hate on their channel is going to benefit from you linking to their page.

    Posted by: UnionStayshyn | Nov 19, 2008 9:24:35 AM


  4. University of North Carolina players describe being tied up, fondled against their will!!! Hilarious!

    http://pirate.starnewsonline.com/default.asp?item=2288140&mode=

    Posted by: David | Nov 19, 2008 9:25:57 AM


  5. Great! So far all the comments are smart and on target--nobody has fallen for Huckabee's bait...yet. Although, he might be the toughest opponent for Obama four years from now. He'll destroy Palin & Romney in the primaries. But what about the new, non-social issue type Republicans: Palenti and those folks?

    Oh, my God, you'd think I'd have had an enema full of presidential politics by now.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Nov 19, 2008 9:30:27 AM


  6. "Producer Bill Geddie will no longer permit gays on THE VIEW unless they've been accredited by The Mario Cantone School of Minstrel Performing Arts."

    !!! Love it.

    Posted by: jmg | Nov 19, 2008 9:45:44 AM


  7. Good people of America. Gay and straight. Looking at what is happening from a distance (Denmark), it seems that you really need to RAGE HARD! Like now! You need to gather all info on all issues being discussed. And throw it back in the faces of the lowlife hating bigots! I saw some ass (Donkey) somewhere say, that gay marriage would lead to an erosion of all society structures. Or something to that effect, I forget cause I was like: W T F ? Denmark was the very first country in the world were gays could enter a registred partnership. Not sure exactly, but like 20 years ago today. We continue to top the list of the happiest country/people in the world. We are the 4'th richest country. And still growing stronger. We have still a few "minor" issues on gay rights here, but it is all being discussed in a totally different arena. When and if religious groups here, try to get a word in, they are very quickly ridiculed for their statements. (As they should be, for it is the same stupid shit, coming out of their dobbeltonguetwisted mouths here!) The press here will call them on their bigotry, and the rest of us, gay AND straight, just have a good hard laugh. I have been able to walk hand in hand with my boyfriends, since I was just out, 25 years ago. I kiss publicly whenever I gd feel like it. And never ever have I experienced any kind of hate. Have to say that I know others that have. Gay bashing have been increasing in the last decade. Done by a few of the Islamic extremists, that seem to be wanting to take over Europe. But Danes by the far majority is outraged by it! One year the gay pride parade was stoned. That isolated incident lead to a yearlong debate on gay rights and issues here. Next years parade many many more thousands of straight danes came out to support the parade, and police was EVERYWHERE. That seemed to get the message across. Now, the last parade this summer, you could see thousands of Muslims along the route, waving back at the parade. All this just to say, that if gay marriage, and true equal rights for all, undermines the rest of society, Denmark would surely be in a downwards spiral. Not the opposite! I urge you all to continue to take your voices to the streets of America, and never stop untill all Americans are treated equally. There is no doubt in my mind, that the Supreme Court will overturn any ban on gay marriage. But till that day... RAGE HARD!

    Posted by: TheNiebur | Nov 19, 2008 9:48:53 AM


  8. I am sure others have already stated the basic points:

    1.Huckabee is obviously a complete idiot

    2.A violence threshold: what an interesing notion. So when did the Nazis cross it: Kristallnacht, or not until Auschwitz?

    3. He gives Christians a bad name

    Posted by: Kathie Samuelson | Nov 19, 2008 9:50:04 AM


  9. What? Is he saying that gays and lesbians need to be hosed and bashed in the head before they earn equal rights? Is that inciting violence or avoiding violence? I am so confused by the aggression in the Republican's messaging lately. It's as if they are rallying the psychos this year. It's the Year of Hate with that party -- hate Muslims, hate Socialists, hate gays. Well, maybe nothing has changed for their party afterall.

    Posted by: Jennifer | Nov 19, 2008 9:50:15 AM


  10. Not surprising that Huckabee would ignore the long history of violence against gays. Religious fanatics have no use such things.

    Posted by: GlenRast | Nov 19, 2008 10:03:53 AM


  11. Not surprising that Huckabee would ignore the long history of violence against gays. Religious fanatics have no use such things.

    Posted by: GlenRast | Nov 19, 2008 10:04:12 AM


  12. Sure, Mike. And the Declaration of Independence reads: "...that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights as long as their heads have been bashed in often enough first..."

    Posted by: Gianpiero | Nov 19, 2008 10:24:32 AM


  13. There "Christian Bashing" too? Matthew Sheppherd beaten, lynched and left to die tied to a fence and some old lady getting a cross knocked out of her hand don't really compare, you idiot.

    Listening to Christians grasp at straws is pathetic.

    Posted by: jasun | Nov 19, 2008 10:25:13 AM


  14. Huckabee is not a stupid man yet he insists that Gays have not met some theoretical threshold as victims of discrimination. Just how blind does Huckabee have to be? Microblind as in not seeing the brutal death of Matthew Sheppard? How about Macroblind in the imprisonment and death of tens of thousands of gays under the Third Reich?

    There is nothing so vicious as the smiling Christian bigot.

    Posted by: Erehwon | Nov 19, 2008 10:29:04 AM


  15. Huckabee is not a stupid man yet he insists that Gays have not met some theoretical threshold as victims of discrimination. Just how blind does Huckabee have to be? Microblind as in not seeing the brutal death of Matthew Sheppard? How about Macroblind in the imprisonment and death of tens of thousands of gays under the Third Reich?

    There is nothing so vicious as the smiling Christian bigot.

    Posted by: Erehwon | Nov 19, 2008 10:30:43 AM


  16. There are a million things wrong with what he said but I'll only focus on a couple.

    1. GLBT community members have been the victims of violence for YEARS, even though it's never covered on Fox News.

    2. Ok, so Christian bashing goes on too...then by this retard's logic, Christians don't deserve civil rights either. How about we ban the conservatives from procreating & spreading their ignorance.

    On a side note, if this makes you angry, please do something about it. We have to stop being victims and fight for our rights.

    Posted by: Grace | Nov 19, 2008 10:34:57 AM


  17. So: given Mike Huckabee's logic, if I punch him in the face it will NOT be assault, because I DIDN'T kick him in the nuts too?

    As another caring neighbor (from Canada - legally married 5 years) I wish you all the best and second the thoughts of the Danish poster THENIBUR:

    RAGE.
    RAGE HARD!
    NOW!

    Posted by: Strepsi | Nov 19, 2008 10:37:22 AM


  18. By his logic, non-black minorities and women shouldn't have civil rights either. Even worse, the whole idea that people should only be allowed to marry because they've suffered enough violence is grotesque.

    Posted by: Jay | Nov 19, 2008 10:39:50 AM


  19. This guy is seriously dangerous. He was easily the most anti-gay (and anti-Mormon ie religiously intolerant in general) candidate running in this past election, and yet he has people snowed. They think he's "funny" and somehow charming.

    Even the sickeningly unfunny Joy Behar professed her love for him when he was on The View. WTF? She needs to get her head out of her ass.

    I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who thinks Mario Cantone is a one-man minstrel show...and almost as talentless as Behar. Perhaps he's there to make her seem humorous in comparison.

    Posted by: Paul C | Nov 19, 2008 10:41:04 AM


  20. Im a straight male from NYC and I wasn't keeping up with all the facts behind prop 8. But after learning more about what exactly prop 8 does, its without a doubt that this is discrimination. Consider its passing in states a good thing, the bigger fight should be taken to the Supreme court. It wasn't too long ago that a Black person couldn't marry a White person. There are clear parallels with racism. For Huckabee to say violence hasn't been inflicted upon homosexuals is simple ignorance on his part. I personally don't want the church controlling my life and I don't think they should be allowed to control yours. Use the timing of a new administration coming to white house and the possibility of new supreme court justices to fight your fight, for what its worth you have my support and my vote.

    Posted by: Ghostnyc | Nov 19, 2008 10:41:41 AM


  21. Slavery and Jim Crowe were once unalterable institutions as well.

    Posted by: A. Josef | Nov 19, 2008 10:42:19 AM


  22. Huckabee sounds like he's on the political stump. And tell me how many gays have to be left dead on a deserted road like Matthew Shepard before we get Civil Rights Status??? Our constitution is supposed to prevent that by insuring everyone's rights. Stick remembering the segregated water bubblers in your your political rhetoric. Blacks are by virtue of their color more vulnerable. Gays don't always stand out so easily. That's not to say their suffering should ever be diminished. But there are plenty of gay horror stories from across time. The Inquisition, Hitler's persecution. On going harassment by police, every "sissy" who ever got beat up in school. All the religious leaders who have ever taken time out of their flock tending to demonize homosexuality. Would the view host responsible, knowledgeable people to discuss the issues? Huckabee doesn't know the history of gays. Because it doesn't fit into his agenda...he just wants us to oppress us.

    Posted by: robert | Nov 19, 2008 10:42:25 AM


  23. If gay people want the same rights they need to march and take whatever violence happens to them. Blacks did it and so can gays. How much are gays willing to come out the closet and march for rights? Blacks couldn't hide their color, gays hide all the time and complain about rights.... give me a break

    Posted by: complaining gays | Nov 19, 2008 10:43:54 AM


  24. If gay people want the same rights they need to march and take whatever violence happens to them. Blacks did it and so can gays. How much are gays willing to come out the closet and march for rights? Blacks couldn't hide their color, gays hide all the time and complain about rights.... give me a break

    Posted by: complaining gays | Nov 19, 2008 10:44:37 AM


  25. If gay people want the same rights they need to march and take whatever violence happens to them. Blacks did it and so can gays. How much are gays willing to come out the closet and march for rights? Blacks couldn't hide their color, gays hide all the time and complain about rights.... give me a break

    Posted by: complaining gays | Nov 19, 2008 10:44:43 AM


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