More Protests Planned Over Passage of Proposition 8: Schedule

I will continue adding to this list today as I receive any information on new protests.

TODAY, FRIDAY:

Market_protestroad.jpg Tonight, San Francisco Civic Center, 5:30 pm. From Civic Center (Market/7th) to Dolores Park. Facebook event. “We have contacted local media and several popular websites have posted the event. Dozens of people have donated their time to hand out flyers. We are protesting on Friday in San Francisco because it was in San Francisco that the California Supreme Court decided to give equality to LGBTQ people earlier this year and it made San Francisco very happy. After all the work that so many people around the country and the Bay Area did to get to the point where we were earlier this year, we’re not going to sit by and do nothing…”

road.jpg San Jose: “6:00 pm at Ceser Chavez park (Market and Park Ave) The fight for equality for all does not end or begin at the polls. So…bring your love and your rage to the Streets of Downtown THIS Friday at 6:00PM, and get the chance for everyone to hear our voices!!! Bring your friends, family, lovers, and SIGNS.”

road.jpg Mission Viejo. 4 – 7 pm rally, 200 Civic Center. Equality for all Californians. “Sadly, fueled by misinformation, distortions and lies, millions of voters went to the polls on November 4, 2008 and said YES to bigotry, YES to discrimination, YES to second-class status for same-sex couples. Please join us at the Mission Viejo City Hall. Let our voice be heard. This is not about your sexual orientation, but a fight for equality and to defeat discrimination.”

road.jpg Palm Springs: Community rally/candlelight ceremony, 5:00 p.m., Palm Springs City Hall, Corner of Taquitz Canyon Way and El Cielo (by the airport).

road.jpg Long Beach, California: Friday, November 7, 2008, 6:45pm – 9:00pm, Broadway and Redondo. “We will march from Redondo to Alamitos (Hamburger Mary’s), to tell Californians, the nation and the world that we are not second class citizens and we will not accept being treated that way.”

road.jpg Santa Barbara, California: Friday, November 7, 2008 Time: 5:00pm – 6:00pm Location: De La Guerra Plaza Street: [700-756] De La Guerra Plz.

road.jpg San Diego – UPDATE. “For tonight’s event, there WILL NOT be a march from Balboa Park to City Hall. Instead, the organizers are handing out flyers informing the public that do show up to participate in the march on Saturday instead. Regarding the march on Saturday, the public will assemble in the parking lot behind 301 University Avenue at noon, march peacefully east to the North Park Theatre. The parking lot behind the North Park Theatre will be used for march dispersal and a possible rally. The public is asked to be civil at all times and to follow the orders of the San Diego Police Department as they are doing their best to ensure the safety of all the participants.”

road.jpg A protest in Salt Lake City is planned: “If Jacob Whipple gets what he’s hoping for, at least 1,000 Utahns will turn out Friday night to protest the involvement of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in helping pass Proposition 8, a California ballot measure that effectively killed, at least for now, same-sex marriages in that state. The call for people to gather at 6 p.m. at North Temple and State Street in Salt Lake City is to show solidarity with those protesting in California, Whipple explained.”

SATURDAY:

road.jpg San Diego – UPDATE. “Regarding the march on Saturday, the public will assemble in the parking lot behind 301 University Avenue at noon, march peacefully east to the North Park Theatre. The parking lot behind the North Park Theatre will be used for march dispersal and a possible rally. The public is asked to be civil at all times and to follow the orders of the San Diego Police Department as they are doing their best to ensure the safety of all the participants.”

road.jpg Laguna Beach, Saturday, Nov 8, 5:30 P.M. at City Hall – march to Main Beach for candlelight vigil. Parking available at Act V parking lot at 1900 Laguna Canyon Road – shuttle busses will be running every 15 minutes. Bring signs, flags, candles (or flashlights), whistles, and dress for a cool evening.

road.jpg This Saturday, November 8, 6pm, Gather at Sunset Junction in Silver Lake, Corner of Sunset Blvd. and Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles. Our reader Phillip Thomas writes: “There’s a little event planned on Saturday afternoon. By little, I mean people are flying, driving, coming by bus and train for this. I heard on tv this evening that organizers are estimating 20,000 marchers for this. I think everyone needs to take part in this. Even if just for an hour or so. Numbers matter, and I can’t think of anything that would be more memorable, historical, or significant that doing this on one Saturday evening. Forget the dinner, the mall, the bar, the movie, the relaxing night at home. If you have to work, call in or leave early. Add yourself to this crowd. Invite all of your friends, your coworkers, neighbors. Make a party out of it.”

SUNDAY:

Sacramento, California. Equality Action Now. “We are planning an event for Sunday, 11.09.2008, Capitol West Steps: 1pm-4pm Rally. Speakers. Show up and be proud. Bring Signs, Wear Protest Shirts. People from SF will be showing up at the West Steps to show support with us.”

See also
Strip the Mormon Church of its Tax Exempt Status [tr]
Thousands Join Marriage Equality Protest at L.A. Mormon Church [tr]

Comments

  1. Josh says

    As a gay man, I have a dream of marrying my partner of 14 years and it mean something. Is it true, that the majority of California’s African-American community voted yes for this obvious civil rights violation? I guess gay men are now the world’s secon class citizens.

  2. CK says

    Thanks for listing all the actions here, Andy. Even though I am on the East Coast I am actively encouraging everyone I know on the West Coast to attend these rallies!

  3. Brent says

    This is our generation’s Stonewall! It’s the final straw. My fervent hope is that all LGBT people and our allies will finally take a real stand against discrimination and hate. Now is the time to once and for all stop the religious institutions of this nation in their drive to impose their narrow-minded, bigoted, ignorant, and unconstitutional rules and beliefs on everyone else. NO MORE MR. NICE GAY!!!!!

  4. Yeek says

    Forget it, Josh. You will be labeled a racist for even suggesting that the African-American community be taken to task for their particularly loathsome behavior in this recent voting cycle. It’s just not going to happen, ever.

  5. Jon says

    I see that Josh read the same figures I did, that that a large majority of African-Americans (and Latinos) voted FOR Proposition 8 in the election… and overwhelmingly did so in the name of God.

    Was it not in the name of God years ago that people insisted slavery was biblical and right? Was it not in the name of God that interracial marriage was prohibited? And was it not in the name of God that segregation continued for so long?? I am not yet 40 years old, and I even remember the widespread whispers from my pastor father that “black people don’t have souls!”

    SHAME on you African-Americans who have not learned from history and refuse to pass it on! SHAME on you who say that this civil rights battle is somehow different! SHAME on you for asking for YOUR rights in the name of equality, but not truly supporting equality!

    Yes Josh, we are the n***ers of the 21st Century. It is going to take nothing less than the same federal protections African-Americans were granted decades ago in order for us to enjoy true freedom and begin erasing the ignorance and bigotry (once again) of the church.

  6. Steve H says

    Laguna Beach, Saturday, Nov 8, 5:30 P.M. at City Hall – march to Main Beach for candlelight vigil. Parking available at Act V parking lot at 1900 Laguna Canyon Road – shuttle busses will be running every 15 minutes. Bring signs, flags, candles (or flashlights), whistles, and dress for a cool evening.

  7. says

    Yes, Josh, we did know, since it’s been brought up maybe 1000 times here, usually by people who don’t mention the 80+% Republican (i.e. white) vote or the power base behind Prop 8, which wasn’t too black.

    I only wish I was closer to CA so I could join the protests. I salute everyone out there on the streets. At this point, action is more important than wallowing in who is the most to blame.

  8. says

    to quote an eloquent comment on Americablog
    “”Just like us progressives to do the circular firing squad thing whenever one of our goals falls short. Blaming 10% of the population for something the other 90% didn’t support is really stretching it, though.

    I am quite pleased to see that the progressive side is just as quick as those religious conservative baddies to scapegoat the black community for every ill that befalls society. Banks failing? Blame the blacks. Candidates losing at the polls? Claim the blacks are committing voter fraud. Housing market failing? Accuse those coloreds of buying homes they knew they couldn’t afford in the first place. Having trouble defeating that anti-gay legislation? Blame 10% of the population to hide your failing to mobilize them and the other 90% of the voters in the state to fight against it.

    This isn’t something that’s been bandied about by anonymous commenters in a blog. Even the great Andrew Sullivan has been attacking the black community about Proposition 8. You guys have tried attacking the people who’s support you need in past initiatives and it blew up in your faces. I suggest you learn to reach out to the black community in the future instead of falling back on the same, divisive tactics that have never done a thing to help your cause. Or, you can keep lashing out at the black community and continue to struggle. Its your choice.”

  9. Chris says

    You could try it in a non-racist style like some gay African-Americans.

    I’ve some pretty disturbing comments at HuffPo. This African-American “Christian” states that he voted pro 8 because of children indoctrination and the King & King book (so he’s probably pretty dumb). He also thinks he’s an example for the Christian Left because he’s an Christian fanatic who voted for Obama …

    I conclude that the task of the gay community is to educate children against their parents’ will. Distribute stories like King & King as flyers. Demonstrate near schools. Make their nightmare come true.

  10. says

    Sacramento California is mobilizing via a newly formed grassroots movement titled “Equality Action Now”. We are planning an event for Sunday, 11.09.2008, Capitol West Steps: 1pm-4pm Rally. Speakers. Show up and be proud. Bring Signs, Wear Protest Shirts. People from SF will be showing up at the West Steps to show support with us.

  11. Mark says

    I’m sorry, but what exactly is the point of all these protests? What is anyone expecting to happen because a bunch of angry gays are holding candlelight vigils?

    If the people at large had cared at all about gays, the measure would have failed in the first place.

    Also, just out of curiousity, but where were all these protests LAST week?

    If you want to make a statement, maybe you might want to consider moving out of CA and taking your tax dollars with you. I, for one, would LOVE to see Ellen declare not only that she’s “saddened” and “deeply disappointed”, but that she’s going to pick up and move her show to another state…like MA or CT, perhaps?

  12. Mark says

    Want gay marriage?
    1. Stop all pride parades.
    2. Drop BT from LGBT.
    3. Oppose abortion on demand for birth control.
    4. Stop all contributions and support of the democrat party.
    5. Stop having sex in public places.
    6. Stop supporting activities like Southern Decadence and Folsom Street Fair.
    7. Be kind and patient.

  13. Olive Yurdich says

    Joseph Smith declared that the moon was inhabited by people about 6 feet tall who dressed like Quakers and lived to be 1000 years old.

    TRUE. Look it up.

  14. John M says

    I’m almost getting the feeling that Prop 8 could be the best thing to happen to our community at this time. Yes, it’s awful but it’s united us against our complacency and I think we’ve finally said enough is enough, compromise is no longer good enough for now, you have taken a right away from us and we will fight back by any means (hopefully legally and peacefully) necessary for all the rights we are entitled to and we want them right now.

  15. busytimmy says

    Hit the streets folks! I am reluctant to target churches too much, we will not win people over to our side with that. Stick to the message that the pro prop 8 people lied repeatedly and pandered to citizens most nasic fears and prejudices. We will not remove the tax exempt status from the Mormon and Catholic church. There are good catholics and mormons who are with us. African American churches who are with us. Let’s build on that. The young memebers of our community who are out in the streets need to focus their anger in a productive way. Pressure the democrats to repeal DADT & DOMA and enact ENDA!

  16. busytimmy says

    And furthermore, more anger need to be directed at the Catholic church, the largest diocese is in Los Angeles. I’d like to see a march to the cathedral.

  17. Judd says

    My partner and I (married in Mass. but living in Virginia) sent money for No on 8.
    Don’t just sit there and do nothing like the gay community in Virginia did when the most restricted state constitutional amendment in the country was passed.

    Speak out!
    Fight back!
    Define it for what it is – Pure Hate!

  18. Yeek says

    John M said: “I’m almost getting the feeling that Prop 8 could be the best thing to happen to our community at this time.”

    Yes, John, I’m starting to feel that way as well.

    Let’s face it – most progress in civil rights movements has been made through bold confrontation, not by cautious and respectful outreach to opponents. Take a look at ACT UP, Malcolm X, MLK, etc. Once people are forced to hear unflattering things about themselves, a certain percentage dig in but others start to wonder, start to feel regret, even guilt. And without admitting it, they look for an excuse to change their views.

    Another advantage we have here is a really good sense of who to target, thanks to exit polling data and the not-too-subtle behavior of the Mormon church. Some of these groups are far too monolithic and widespread (e.g. all Republicans) to confront in any meaningful geographic way, but we always know where to find an LDS temple. The AA community is another group that everyone has very strong feelings about right now, including me, and I don’t believe that a consensus will ever be reached the right way to address that particular issue. Hands on or kid gloves? There’s too much tortured history.

    On the flip side, that difference of opinion might help. The combination of angry, toxic bastards like myself and more nuanced, considerate voices of others may be the “good cop, bad cop” approach that reaches more hearts and minds than any one method alone. I think that’s how it usually works.

    Ernie in particular has said some thoughtful things on this issue, though we’re not in total agreement of course. His blog is pretty good: http://placeinsun.blogspot.com/

  19. says

    “Want gay marriage?
    1. Stop all pride parades.
    2. Drop BT from LGBT.
    3. Oppose abortion on demand for birth control.
    4. Stop all contributions and support of the democrat party.
    5. Stop having sex in public places.
    6. Stop supporting activities like Southern Decadence and Folsom Street Fair.
    7. Be kind and patient.”

    Mark, you forgot 8. Be self-loathing and blame LGBT people for not being good enough for basic civil rights. And 9. Delude ourselves into thinking that if we behave like nice little straight puppets, the fundamentalists will like us.

    Protests, in conjunction with other actions, have a history of bringing about social change. Being kind and patient does not. Amazingly enough, Canada has both full marriage equality and pride parades, go figure.

  20. says

    I should add that being kind isn’t a bad thing, it’s just not a very effective protest tool.

    Thanks, Yeek. We haven’t agreed much, but I appreciate the dialogue and shout-out.

    OK, time to remember that there is life outside of blogland. :-)

  21. John M says

    It’s not just the mormons that we know who to confront, we have the name, occupation and zip code of every yes on prop 8 donor in california. We also have databases to put addresses and telephone numbers and often faces to those bigots such as facebook, zabasearch, white pages, etc.

    I urge everyone to look in those databases and see who in your zip code gave money to take away your rights and make sure you don’t do anything to help or support them. Don’t harass them, or hurt them or their property but maybe you have been letting that little HOA violation of theirs slide, or supporting their small business because they are your neighbor.

    Yes on 8 played dirty within the limits of the law and we had a truthful and honest campaign, as was said before, no more mr. nice gay, anything legal is fair game now against these hateful bigots.

  22. the queen says

    Lawdy lawdy miss clawdy, had no idea the mormons were so powerful… anyway, you can’t underestimate the power of religion to sway the masses.. I guess the mormons will have to counter all this by asking their members to boycott all gay bars, etc. etc…

    but why just the mormons dahlings, go after the baptists too, the catholics, hell all of them i guess tho i doubt it will do much good…

    who was it that said religion was the opiate of the masses? stalin or somebody… anyway, it’s powerful stuff and perfectly legal… yeah, gimme that old time religion, dahlings…

  23. says

    There’s an event tonight (11/7) in Palm Springs.

    Details:

    Community rally/candlelight ceremony

    5:00 p.m.

    Palm Springs City Hall, Corner of Taquitz Canyon Way and El Cielo (by the airport).

  24. wtf says

    josh, you say gay men are second class citizens. why are you excluding gay women? this is the problem. you complain about being unrespected and excluded and yet, there you are.

  25. Derrick from Philly says

    Thanks, Ernie & Fred & Chris: some white gays wanna send us all back to Africa so Joe Biden can be president. But what will y’all do with Vin Diesel? Put his yella’ ass on a return ship too.

    THE QUEEN: dear heart, you know, you’re going to heaven when you pass on. Anthony Quinn will be standing at the pearly gates to greet you. And according to those who know/knew– that fierce Latin Papi was packin’ big time.

  26. Bill Perdue says

    It’s good to protest but it should have begun during the campaign and been directed at the open bigotry of Obama as well as the cults. He’s as much at fault as the mormons and the altar boy rapists.

    Before tuesday the retarded supporters of Obama’s bigotry helped to derail the movement away from activism and into futile electoral politics. Under Bush, Clinton, baby Bush and now Obama electoral politics remain a dead end. But this dead end has always has that bus waiting and guess who gets tossed under it. DOMA, DADT, ENDA, the hate crimes bill and now more state DOMA’s.

    The craven silence of most Democrats about Obama’s bigoted message of “god’s in the mix” including NO on 8 and similar groups in Florida and Arizona, was deafening. It contributed mightily to justifying the bigotry of superstitious folks, who are mostly EuroAmericans.

    Obama’s “god’s in the mix” says we’re sinners and it brought the christers scampering out from under their rocks and they kicked the shit out of us.

    Thanks, Democrats. Now we know who our enemies are, and that they aren’t just Republicans.

    Those who want a sustained escalation of disruptive demonstrations are right. No on 8 refused to take the fight seriously and counted on feel-good ads instead of directly confronting the bigots. They never called for daily demonstrations outside mormon temples, catholic cathedrals, Marriot hotels or the campaign HQ’s of Obama and McCain.

    Why?

    They ran a few badly done ads and TV spots on black owned and Latino stations during the last week or so but simply defaulted becasue they were afraid of offending “god’s in the mix.”

    Why?

    Labor was totally on our side as were the folks of the NAACP and MALDEF and they squandered that by refusing to mobilize them. They defaulted. They were afraid to fight. That was madness. If you don’t fight you don’t win. No on 8 lost, big time. We all lost, big time.

    Battles for equality are not feel-good events. Dueling commercials just won’t cut it.

    We lost because No on 8 wouldn’t confront the bigots. That’s because they were tied to the Democrat Party and are incapable of independent organization. They thought getting ‘pushy’ and insisting that Obama and McCain withdraw their bigoted remarks was rude. After all who makes demands on Presidential candidates, it’s unheard of, and it’s just not done by genteel folks.

    They defaulted and that plus “god’s ins the mix” explains Tuesday bitter defeats.

    Of course, theres no question about it. THOSE WHO BLAME THIS ON BLACKS AND LATINOS ARE RACISTS. There are no excuses for stupidly playing theri Divide and Rule games.

  27. mel says

    Host:
    Equality For All Californians
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    Time and PlaceDate:
    Friday, November 7, 2008
    Time:
    4:00pm – 7:00pm
    Location:
    Mission Viejo City Hall
    Street:
    200 Civic Center
    City/Town:
    Mission Viejo, CA

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  28. Jonathan says

    I think all of this is wonderful and necessary. My husband and I were married in July in San Francisco and we are devastated by this passage. But, the question that keeps haunting me is – why didn’t we do this before? Why didn’t we march? Why didn’t we do more? What else should we have done?

    While we all will have opinions on this, I ask that question not to blame anyone – certianly the leaders of No on Prop 8 did more than we, as individuals did, to organize. So to blame them is not right – we should look to see what else we, as individuals, could have done. Could we have given more money? More time? More effort?

    I strongly believe that the passage of Prop 8 was not racist or bigoted, but misguided. People listened to their churches and their pastors. They listened to what they have known all their lives. But they didn’t listen to their gay friends and neighbors. I am convinced that our movement is built on changing one heart at a time.

    By being strong, being out, and being proud we can change people’s minds one at a time.

    While this is a defeat it is not over. We have come a long way and will continue our journey. As we look to heal and move forward don’t become angry and embittered by our opposition, but instead embrace them and teach them. Show them that our love is not different from their love. Show them that we are people as well. Show them that we are equals. And then, and only then, will they support our cause, our rights, and our marriages.

  29. the queen says

    Derrick, dahling, you always crack me up, thanks for the thought — but I always thought if I did go to heaven Charleston Heston would be there to greet me… in his Moses drag…

    … tho actually I’d much prefer Hell as Tallulah, Bette, Joan (Crawford) and Liberace will be there and won’t that be one hell (pun intended) of a piano bar?

    ah poor jonathan, he thinks that the religious folk will be swayed but alas they won’t for like I said before religion is all powerful and though they may not hate us they still think we’re sinful, etc, etc.., and must be saved… you all know the drill…

  30. Stray says

    Look let’s face it you want to march you want to make it effective you want it to hit the living rooms of America during the evening news? We have to march on Washington. No other little community march will matter it will only disperse our energy into little pockets that the Nation will not notice.

    Martin Luther knew it, Martin Luther King Jr. knew it. You have to strike at the heart of your opponent, at a place where you cannot be ignored WE MUST MARCH ON WASHINGTON Nail our demands to the Capitol door if need be, if we are to have any chance of being, noticed. Oh yeah, been there done that, but this time show just how serious we are if you have to lose work, lose work, can’t get a sitter , take the kids, Look people, this is a fight for our existence as Americans that matter. Right now we are being told that even though we pay taxes, we follow the rules, The rights that every other American wallows in are denied to us. Get married as many times as you fucking want, we don’t care just don’t dare try to marry someone who is the same sex as you are. Someone who you have been through the acid test of living together with for the last how many years and you know this is the one. We don’t care you can’t do it you perverts.. Don’t you get it yet?,we don’t fucking matter. The fact that I have loved the same man for the last twelve years, if I get sick and go into intensive care, by the laws of my and most states he can’t come to visit me. We are not related, by law there are no ties which bind us to each other, that’s the law. The law that is upheld by the tax dollars we sheep pay faithfully every year.
    You can fuck a Senatorial or Congressional page, you just can’t marry one.
    Washington, that’s were we march!!!!!

  31. Stray says

    Oh and by the way Queen get your head out of your fucking ass or who evaaahs to see what the hell is happening around you. Or are you to use to the drill, (no pun intended)!!!!

  32. Nathan says

    CHAD, I was wondering the same thing.

    There should be a nation-wide protest this weekend. Does anyone know of anything? People want to do something but there’s no leader…

    we need this generations MiLK…

  33. Macca says

    IT’S TIME TO PUT ASIDE ALL DIFFERENCES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
    WE ARE ALL FIGHTING FOR ONE CAUSE.
    THIS IS OUR TIME.
    THIS IS OUR STONEWALL.
    COME OUT OF THE CLOSET!
    MAKE YOUR ANGER KNOWN!
    DOWN WITH H8!

  34. Kennyworth says

    I like the idea of a National March on Wahington..

    We can not only address marriage rights, but ENDA,Hate Crimes,and our right to openly serve in the Armed Forces..

    It’s time to get in the streets! Where are the organizers?

  35. Bösendorfer Vandersloot says

    It is so wonderful to see our community rally together and take a stand against this horrible initiative, but I like many on here can help but ask, WHERE HAS EVERYONE BEEN THESE PAST FOUR MONTHS? I know I can only speak for myself and my community, but I have been so saddened and frustrated to have my local gay community take such a passive roll in the No on 8 campaign. I have seen so many more of our straight allies step out against this initiative than I have my gay brothers and sisters. I hope that this experience has served as a lesson. I am certainly not placing any blame on anyone for the outcome of this election. I understand that many were afraid to come out and take a stand, and I understand many others honestly didn’t think it would pass. I just hope that everyone who is coming out to these protests today will continue their fight into the future and will not let apathy or fear prevent them from taking a stand the next time we have something like this come to vote. We are in the middle of a civil rights fight right now. But we aren’t going to win it unless we continue to stand together, to stand proud and to keep fighting!

    My love to you all!

  36. matt says

    Ok, all you haters are gonna love me for this but…too little too late.
    All these demonstrations are doing nothing but make people hate us more than ever. The election was Tuesday, its over. These demonstrations should have been going on for the last six months, NOT AFTER the election. This ballot failed due to complete apathy by the gay community to either rally together and fight this OR to raise the same kind of money that the opposition were doing. We were all to busy partying.
    As a resident of west hollywood all i can say to the demonstrators is fuck off and go home. You are making our lives miserable blocking traffic and causing bad feeling with, what has been a very supportative local sheriffs department. You have no right to block the 405 on a Thursday when some of us were trying to get to see madonna making it a three hour freking drive.
    Most of the kids attending these rallys are not registered to vote and their longest relationship has been a one night stand with some guy from the Abbey or the Hollywood Spa, now they want the right to marry them??? WTF.
    last friday 300,000 gays came to Halloween in west hollywood because it was the typical drunken drug fuelled event that gets that many queers out. Myabe we shoudl have been offering G, K, X and vodka/red bull for the last year to get people out to register to vote and fight this thing. Like I said, too little too late.
    As for the blacks and latins throwing us under the bus…not fair. Most of them though they were voting YES for gay marriage, it was the way the ballot was written. But then we did nothing to change that either. Now stop complaining and get on with your lives

  37. JIM says

    Art, I do understand your point of view but remember a lot of us who live in other parts of the country donated to No on 8. We also would like to help. Demonstrations are good, media coverage brings our cause to public attention.

    That said, I really like Melissa Etheridge’s message. She suggests that she plans not paying her 1/2 million state taxes, per No Taxation Without Representation. Perhaps we should consider a national movement of this type. If all our state taxes were placed in probate/trust with Lambda Legal, once the millions turn into the billions and billions of dollars, our government will take notice. MONEY TALKS; all else walks – or in this case, marches in protests.

    Is there a way to get this type of movement going?

  38. David B. says

    two things:

    This is the right’s agenda — state’s rights pull the nation’s fabric apart on issues like gay marriage and abortion — we need to think federal on this and stop the state by state lottery — which is getting us nowhere. No Civil War division on these topics — it’s a time waster, money waster and a non starter.

    I think we should give the right their worst nightmare — it’s always been marriage or fucking in the bushes and recruiting their children.

    I think we should hold public fuck ins at elementary schools til they give us marriage. These people are so short minded –we need to demonstrate the fallout if committed relationships and families are not allowed to us.

    How is that for an idea?

  39. STONEWALL 2 says

    To the people bitching on here about not being able to see their Madonna concert because of the Prop 8 protests — go to hell. You’re the ones that are wasting time.

    75% of the people passing the protest cheer for us, they cry, beep their horns, they’re on our side. For the rest of the people it was just another traffic-clogged day on the 405, so who cares if they’re angry. We WANT them to be angry, we want them to see what’s going on and that this IS a civil rights issue.

    These protests force conversations about this to start NOW. If we ever want to get our rights back, we have to start these conversations or else forever be drowned out by religious bigots and their churches. Already the Mormon church is up to its neck in bad publicity over this.

    This weekend the protests will get louder and louder. We were scattered before Prop 8 passed, now we’re united and pissed off.

    And to the people blaming black people for Prop 8 passing, YOU’RE the ones who arn’t helping. These protests have brought together young gay people of all races (and straight people!), and when we march down the street we now chant – “Yes, we can!”

    So thank you, President-elect Obama. It’s time to present a united front!

  40. Scotty says

    I can’t express how happy I am to see our community come together to fight this injustice.
    There are so many good ideas I’ve been reading online about how to make our outrage known.
    But still, I’m left wondering:
    HOW DO WE ORGANIZE OUR EFFORTS?
    and
    WHERE ARE OUR LEADERS?
    I, for one, am ready to follow.

  41. The Reaist says

    Matt,

    We did not get where we are today by playing nice and taking every little morsel of civil rights we DO have.

    People don’t hate us because we protest. They hate us because they are too lazy to inform themselves. People today expect to be told what they believe through power point presentations and faith music that repeats and repeats the message they want delivered to the weak minded.

    It’s time those people have a REAL reason to fear the LGBT community. Retribution is in the Bible, you know.

  42. Paul R says

    Wow, The Queen, I’m almost impressed that you have the gall to post again after your absurd fucking postings supporting Sarah Palin (what was it you said? “Hold on to your tampons, bitches, she has charm and she will win! And she deserves it—she understands Americans!” or something like that).

    And you continue to use the same screen name after all that. Again, almost impressive. But I just saw thousands and thousands of people walk with me down Market Street in San Francisco, blocking shitloads of traffic and screaming for their rights. Would that have been too much trouble for you, darling? Would it have caused you to miss your evening cocktail?

    Fuck off. You lost your credibility as a poster here months ago.

  43. says

    Protests in Chicago also on Saturday!

    Focus on the Family’s James Dobson spent $800,000 on Proposition 8 to stop gay people form marrying in California. On Saturday evening, this dangerous ideologue will be inducted into the Museum of Broadcast Communication’s Radio Hall of Fame in Chicago. He will be met with a protest from outraged gay organizations at 5:30 PM on Saturday, November 8, outside of the Renaissance Chicago Hotel, 1 W. Wacker Drive (corner of Wacker & State).

  44. says

    FRIDAY NOV 7, 2008

    — SACRAMENTO
    7 pm until? West Steps of the State Capitol – Bring hand done signs, the Bigger the Better. Bring flashlights, no candles allowed on Capitol grounds
    Join http://www.EqualityActionNow.org

    — SAN FRANCISCO
    Civic Center, 5:30 pm. From Civic Center at Market and 7th to Dolores Park.

    This is the Facebook event. A message from the organizers:
    “We have contacted local media and several popular websites have posted the event. Dozens of people have donated their time to hand out flyers. We are protesting on Friday in San Francisco because it was in San Francisco that the California Supreme Court decided to give equality to LGBTQ people earlier this year and it made San Francisco very happy. After all the work that so many people around the country and the Bay Area did to get to the point where we were earlier this year, we’re not going to sit by and do nothing…”

    — MISSION VIEJO
    4 – 7 pm rally, 200 Civic Center.

    Equality for all Californians. Sadly, fueled by misinformation, distortions and lies, millions of voters went to the polls on November 4, 2008 and said YES to bigotry, YES to discrimination, YES to second-class status for same-sex couples. Please join us at the Mission Viejo City Hall. Let our voice be heard. This is not about your sexual orientation, but a fight for equality and to defeat discrimination.”

    — PALM SPRINGS
    Community rally/candlelight ceremony, 5:00 p.m., Palm Springs City Hall, Corner of Taquitz Canyon Way and El Cielo (by the airport).

    — LONG BEACH
    6:45pm – 9:00pm, Broadway and Redondo.
    “We will march from Redondo to Alamitos (Hamburger Mary’s), to tell Californians, the nation and the world that we are not second class citizens and we will not accept being treated that way.”

    — SANTA BARBARA
    5:00pm – 6:00pm Location: De La Guerra Plaza Street: [700-756] De La Guerra Plz.

    — SAN DIEGO
    9 p.m.: Gather at Laurel & Sixth Avenue for a march to San Diego City Hall (located at 202 C St in Downtown). This grassroots march is being organized by community members who wish to “let our voices be heard” that we will not accept discrimination!

    — SALT LAKE CITY
    A protest in Salt Lake City is planned: “If Jacob Whipple gets what he’s hoping for, at least 1,000 Utahns will turn out Friday night to protest the involvement of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in helping pass Proposition 8, a California ballot measure that effectively killed, at least for now, same-sex marriages in that state. The call for people to gather at 6 p.m. at North Temple and State Street in Salt Lake City is to show solidarity with those protesting in California, Whipple explained.”

    ———————————————–
    SATURDAY, NOV 8, 2008
    ———————————————–

    — SACRAMENTO
    7 pm until ? West Steps of the State Capitol – Bring hand done signs, the Bigger the Better. Bring flashlights (no candles allowed on Capitol grounds)
    Join http://www.EqualityActionNow.org

    — SAN DIEGO
    12 NOON: Gather at 1st Avenue & University Avenue in Hillcrest for a civil rights march to 30th Street & University Avenue in North Park.

    — LAGUNA BEACH
    City Hall – march to Main Beach for candlelight vigil. Parking available at Act V parking lot at 1900 Laguna Canyon Road – shuttle busses will be running every 15 minutes. Bring signs, flags, candles (or flashlights), whistles, and dress for a cool evening.

    — LOS ANGELES
    Gather at Sunset Junction in Silver Lake, Corner of Sunset Blvd. and Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles. Our reader Phillip Thomas writes: “There’s a little event planned on Saturday afternoon. By little, I mean people are flying, driving, coming by bus and train for this. I heard on tv this evening that organizers are estimating 20,000 marchers for this. I think everyone needs to take part in this. Even if just for an hour or so. Numbers matter, and I can’t think of anything that would be more memorable, historical, or significant that doing this on one Saturday evening. Forget the dinner, the mall, the bar, the movie, the relaxing night at home. If you have to work, call in or leave early. Add yourself to this crowd. Invite all of your friends, your coworkers, neighbors. Make a party out of it.”
    ————————————————-
    SUNDAY Nov 9, 2008:
    ————————————————-

    — SACRAMENTO
    Equality Action Now. “We are planning an event for Sunday, 11.09.2008, Capitol West Steps: 1pm-4pm Rally. Speakers. Show up and be proud. Bring Signs, Wear Protest Shirts. People from SF will be showing up at the West Steps to show support with us.

  45. Randem says

    As a gay man as well as a minority I am always surprised that all anyone can ever think about is protesting. For the love of God get a clue, you have to hit these people where it hurts. What would the U.S would do to any country that won’t comply with what they want, they place sanctions on that country. Well the same should be done here. Stop the protesting and hit these states and religions where they hurt. You all know we all love to shop, well dammit, STOP. These people own businesses boycott them. The states need your money, stop traveling to them, there are other beautiful places in the U.S. We have power through the almighty dollar. Use that power, find out what businesses some of these people own or work and call for boycotts of their companies. I already plan on never visiting these states until things are changed. Send letters to their offices of Tourism and let them know that you will no longer visit these states. Stop buy from companies based in California, Arizona and Florida. Do something with meaning. Protesting don’t scare anyone it just annoys them and makes them fight back even harder. Strike them where it hurts. Do something with meaning.

  46. sean says

    Fred, the longer you wrote, the closer to the truth you got. You eventually admitted that blacks did screw gays in the vote. See, it wasn’t that hard to admit it, was it?

  47. Josh Rosenthal says

    As a straight man – completely, I am utterly appauled and outraged at the fact that Prop 8 was not completely turned down. I am so disgusted that it was even proposed in the first place.

    It is so clearly discrimination along the lines of the 1967 race laws governing marriage between a black and white.

    This is not a race issue, not a straight or gay issue, its a HUMAN issue that goes beyond all of this. Its a simple matter of stopping discrimination.

    Peace
    Josh Rosenthal

  48. says

    I worked for both the No on 8 campaign and the Obama campaign this year and cannot tell you how far apart those two were in style and substance. One was top down, the other bottom up. Ironically, it was the presidential campaign that was the grassroots model, not the state-level proposition campaign. As soon as I started working for the No on 8 campaign I was amazed at the level of scripting: “don’t say ‘civil rights,’ don’t say ‘constitution,’ don’t say ‘gay.'” I couldn’t believe it.

    One of the most brilliant things about the Obama campaign was that they didn’t expect callers and canvassers to be policy wonks. They just said “tell your story, let people know why you’re voting for him. Connect with people.” I can’t help but feel at this point that if the gloves were taken off we could’ve helped people get a grip on the real issues at stake here, which I happen to think is a matter of soiling the state constitution.

    What was even more confounding was the No on 8 campaign’s decision to stay away from polling places at churches and schools. First of all, most polling places are at churches and schools, and second, that mentality buys right into the Yes on 8 brainwashing campaign that same sex marriage is going to corrupt our morals and our children. This idiocy was obvious to everyone that I worked with on the campaign. What was going on with the leadership upstairs?!!!

  49. Ariana says

    I don’t need anyone to say it form me I’ll say it for myself. As a heterosexual african woman I am ashamed to see the high numbers of afrian american people who voted against Prop 8. I think the protests are a great idea and I agreed with what another person said, they might have been the best thing to happen because now you are all unified and angry.

    Please take to the streets. Please punish. Please withdraw your money and support from the state of California, Utah, and anyone else who stands in your way.

    You DESERVE this right. I will stand with you till the day you get it.

    You have all my wishes and support.

  50. J.C. says

    One ironic thought I just had is that, aren’t Mormans polygamists? Meaning they marry more than one person. It is okay for them to do that but they won’t allow two men or two women to marry each other? When will people start seeing the irony in that, and the irony in blacks and latinos supporting discrimination of another minority group? Maybe when the frenzy of fear that the Yes on 8 ads created dies down.

    I was also curious why it was the Mormons that gave so much more money than other religions, like the Catholics and Evangelicals. I believe it was like $20 million. Did the other religions not have more money to give or they just chose not to? Also, how do the Mormons have so much money anyway?

    Lastly, I am so grateful for this website and being able to share and identify with others who feel the same way as I do. I have enjoyed the site for a long time but it has taken on so much more importance to me recently.

  51. J.C. says

    I also wanted to say I can understand why Obama did not speak out on No on 8. While I know gay people want a leader to stick up for us, he could not risk losing voters over this issue. He can do more for gay people as President than if he had actively supported No on 8 but lost to McCain because of it. If he gets rid of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and signs the Hate Crimes Bill, those will be major steps forward and that may help increase support for gay marriage.

    Also I agree with others who have said to get active and involved and to stay that way. Even though the elction is over, we need ongoing involvement. The publicity, although negative, from the ban, has given gays rights more exposure than ever. We can really capitlize on this and turn it around but need many participants. Whether it is cash donations, volunteering, signing petitions or protesting, we need to let society know that we are here and will not let up.

  52. chasmader says

    I just drove through the Castro on my way to work. At 7:00AM there were protesters on every corner. This is not going away and we have only ourselves to count on. That has just become painfully clear.

    No more money to the Democratic Party. With a few exceptions, thank you Sen. Feinstein, they behaved, as usual like cowards on this issue.

    I will not be told to ride on the back of the bus and told that maybe if I’m good I can sit up front in a decade.

    Charlie Mader
    San Francisco

  53. Yeek says

    Jon, you wrote:

    “I strongly believe that the passage of Prop 8 was not racist or bigoted, but misguided. ”

    I think it’s actually all three things at once. At the very least , bigoted, and misguided simultaneously.

    The key now is to act incisively. There will always be various subgroups who hate us more than the population baseline (Fred Phelps and clan being the ultimate example). But would it be worth targeting him? Of course not – because that group is far more intransigent than most, and even if we won his entire family over, would that change our leverage at all?

    It’s a very exaggerated example, but what that means is this: we should target the people who can hurt us the most, not the people who hate us the most. There is a big difference. It will be far easier to convert 3% of the very large general population to our point of view than it will be to convert 50% of some random fundamentalist community.

    It’s not our job to civilize every misguided group – it’s our job to win. Let them figure out right and wrong for themselves after they’ve been defeated.

  54. act on it says

    from today’s LA Times on Blacks and Prop 8:

    Many black voters didn’t see it that way.

    “I was born black. I can’t change that,” said Culver City resident Bilson Davis, 57, who voted for Proposition 8. “They weren’t born gay; they chose it,” he added, reflecting a commonly held belief that many researchers dispute.

    call and tell him how you feel, or write him a note — he inserted himself into the debate:

    Bilson Davis

    5040 STONEVIEW
    CULVER CITY, CA 90230
    (310) 838-0166

  55. get going says

    from today’s LA Times on the Blacks voting against gays:

    Many black voters didn’t see it that way.

    “I was born black. I can’t change that,” said Culver City resident Bilson Davis, 57, who voted for Proposition 8. “They weren’t born gay; they chose it,” he added, reflecting a commonly held belief that many researchers dispute.

    call or write this gentleman and let him kn ow how you feel either way

    Bilson Davis

    5040 STONE VIEW
    CULVER CITY C A 9 0 2 3 0
    (3 1 0) 8 3 8-0 1 6 6

  56. Bading says

    I stood in front of the LDS Temple and Public Affairs Office here in NYC on Coulumbus and 65th today from 11:30 A.M. – 1:00 P.M. and want to thank Mark from Philly for joining me while waiting for his show, John Adam’s ‘Dr. Atomic’ to start at the Met. Unfortunately the rain soaked my my sign that said ‘LDS WHY H8TE?’. I did get to talk to church members leaving after services tho and most of them expressed their hopes for better dialogue. I am still waiting for any organized protest in NYC to join.

  57. Cody says

    Just wanted to repost this letter from awhile back…it’s just really amazing and whether or not you’ve read it before, I think it’s worth another read:

    I’ve had enough of your anti-gay venom

    Vermont debate brings out the haters
    Sunday, April 30, 2000
    By SHARON UNDERWOOD
    For the Valley News

    As the mother of a gay son, I’ve seen firsthand how cruel and misguided people can be.

    Many letters have been sent to the Valley News concerning the homosexual menace in Vermont. I am the mother of a gay son and I’ve taken enough from you good people.

    I’m tired of your foolish rhetoric about the “homosexual agenda” and your allegations that accepting homosexuality is the same thing as advocating sex with children. You are cruel and ignorant. You have been robbing me of the joys of motherhood ever since my children were tiny.

    My firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little thugs from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the first grade. He was physically and verbally abused from first grade straight through high school because he was perceived to be gay.

    He never professed to be gay or had any association with anything gay, but he had the misfortune not to walk or have gestures like the other boys. He was called “fag” incessantly, starting when he was 6.

    In high school, while your children were doing what kids that age should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn’t bear to continue living any longer, that he didn’t want to be gay and that he couldn’t face a life with no dignity.

    You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children to despair. I don’t know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn’t put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse. God gave you brains so that you could think, and it’s about time you started doing that.

    No choice
    At the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could never happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there that people have chosen to join. The fact is that if it can happen to my family, it can happen to yours, and you won’t get to choose. Whether it is genetic or whether something occurs during a critical time of fetal development, I don’t know. I can only tell you with an absolute certainty that it is inborn.

    If you want to tout your own morality, you’d best come up with something more substantive than your heterosexuality. You did nothing to earn it; it was given to you. If you disagree, I would be interested in hearing your story, because my own heterosexuality was a blessing I received with no effort whatsoever on my part. It is so woven into the very soul of me that nothing could ever change it.

    For those of you who reduce sexual orientation to a simple choice, a character issue, a bad habit or something that can be changed by a 10-step program, I’m puzzled. Are you saying that your own sexual orientation is nothing more than something you have chosen, that you could change it at will?

    If that’s not the case, then why would you suggest that someone else can?

    A popular theme in your letters is that Vermont has been infiltrated by outsiders. Both sides of my family have lived in Vermont for generations. I am heart and soul a Vermonter, so I’ll thank you to stop saying that you are speaking for “true Vermonters.”

    Principles?
    You invoke the memory of the brave people who have fought on the battlefield for this great country, saying that they didn’t give their lives so that the “homosexual agenda” could tear down the principles they died defending.

    My 83-year-old father fought in some of the most horrific battles of World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart. He shakes his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live. He says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their part and bothered no one. One of his best friends in the service was gay, and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered not at all. That wasn’t the measure of the man.

    You religious folk just can’t bear the thought that as my son emerges from the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion and have a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities that he should request the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance.

    How dare he? you say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very existence of your family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage.

    You use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human beings. There are vast numbers of religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin.

    The deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who lectures about homosexual sin and tells us about “those of us who have been blessed with the benefits of a religious upbringing” asks: “What ever happened to the idea of striving . . . to be better human beings than we are?”

    Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?

  58. Joshua says

    We need to hit them where it will hurt them most-their pocketbooks.

    Seen as though approximately 80% of the donations to yes on prop 8 came from the Mormon Church and Utah is 70% Mormon and many thousands from Utah canvassed the state of California over the past few months we stop spending any money there.

    No gay ski trips, no Sundance, no money to Utah.

  59. phill ill says

    Am i crazy? This proposition has been around a year at least. They announced and filed and put you on notice that they were coming to take your rights. These protests sound like they snuck in and made off with them yesterday.
    But over the past year?
    Nothing.
    Little mention that was not OK. No major public discussion that the vote itself shouldn’t happen. This looks like a childish, sore-loser reaction to a fair election if you are most people out there. It’s not the first wake up call and don’t forget the powerful coaltiion of supporters who were there and put up 35 million in your name and for your rights while it seems you weren’t paying attention.
    To blame the African American community which isn’t big enough to pass have passed this — at the moment that it has more power than ever –reeks of skapegoating. And you can’t both blame folks and then, as some commenters suggest, “only look forward on your own lack of action,” avoiding the “three more fingers pointing back at you” that Dire Straits sings about “When you point your finger because your plans fell through…”
    OK.
    It’s wrong.
    You have a fight ahead.
    Why make it longer, more expensive and more painful by having this fit and not recognizing your allies or the immediate history?
    Wake up.

  60. George Sylak says

    WHERE IS THE LOG CABIN CLUB IN ALL OF THIS??? They claim to want to obtain equal rights for gays from inside the Republican party.

    85% of WHITE REPUBLICAN’S voted YES on 8. Now is the time for the LOG CABIN MEMBERS TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE, and do something substantial in regards to civil equality.

  61. says

    There will be a No on Prop 8 community rally at the County Courthouse 240 Church St (corner of West Alisal) in Salinas on Monday, November 10 at 4:30 PM. This is our chance to show everyone that Prop 8 was wrong and unfair, and we are going to demand equality now.

    This is a historic time. No on 8 rallies are occurring in cities across the state. We must rise up and make our voices heard! We, our friends, and our families have been assaulted and a fundamental right has been stolen from us simply because of who we are. So unite! Let us come together now and unleash our power and speak with one voice: WE WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!

    Bring signs, wear protest shirts, and invite your friends, family and co-workers!

  62. Ty says

    The reason blacks voted for it is because the yes campaign played Barack’s opposition to marriage. I expect civil unions on January 20th, with no vote by congress !!!

  63. NoMoreMrNiceGay says

    Stand Up! Fight Back!
    The victory at the polls by opponents of civil rights for LGBT people will not stand. From Stonewall to full equality, our movement is growing as millions say “yes” to marriage equality. With greater unity and greater determination, the fight must and will go on. Victory is certain.

    No to bigotry and homophobia! No to sexism! No to racism! Equal marriage rights now

    Protest at Mormon Temple in La Jolla
    Sunday, November 9th
    11 AM
    7474 Charmant Drive
    San Diego, CA 92122

  64. says

    SEATTLE PROTEST

    Saturday, November, 15, 2008

    RALLY starts at 12:00 noon at the Volunteer Park stage, with keynote speakers, and community choruses. A march to Westlake Center follows the rally.

    Following the march, a protest against the LDS/Mormon Church will commence at 5:00PM at the LDS/Mormon Temple in Bellevue, WA. (Located across the street from the Bellevue Community College. Address: 2808 148th Avenue SE Bellevue, WA)

    For more information, please visit the following groups:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=35445293690

    http://groups.myspace.com/ProtestProp8

    Questions? Call 206-774-7805

  65. Carl says

    People: This is a waste of time and energy. The LDS church, and any other Tax-exempt church, can tell it’s membership to vote in a way that supports that church’s moral beliefs. They CANNOT support a political party or candidate. The LDS and other churches that promoted prop 8, as well as churches that promoted “NO on 8″ were within their legal rights. Also, the monies donated to the protect marraige.com were almost entirely from individual members, not the church itself.

  66. BVButler says

    I attended the protest at the Saddleback church on Sunday the 9th. There were well over a thousand people there, not the 200 or 300 hundred reported by the press. Let’s all go back again for the next few Sundays, until our equal rights are restored. We need to make an example of the rev. Rick Warren, who emailed his 10,000 members, and encouraged them to vote for prop. H8. This will get him where it hurts the most, in his collection plate. I’m sure that many of his congregants will want to attend another place of worship that is more peaceful. So, see you all there once again. Sunday, Nov. 16th, at 10:00AM
    Address: 1 Saddleback Pkwy, Lake Forest, CA 92630

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