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  1. Paul R says

    He’s obsessed with the gays, yet I really couldn’t care less about him. He’s constantly patting himself on the back for his deep thoughts about (and apparent obsession with) the gays, but he just sounds like an idiot.

    It’s a real relief to know I won’t have to worry about seeing him at a gay bar, despite the dope conversations we might have.

  2. Sparky says

    Some of us have good conversation skills and aren’t primitive at all!

    We’re almost like REAL human beings.

    I’m so glad some one famous is finally standing up for us. A quiet minority as we are…

    *sigh*

    At first I tried to humour Kanye but this is just taking the piss.

  3. g_whiz says

    Oh man. This is really at least somewhat charming. These PSAs may have good intentions but they come off as being more than a little kneejerk ‘phobic and somewhat backhanded. I know he’s trying not to come off as close minded, but he’s not quite there yet is he? “Thats so gay” is a slur that drives me up the wall, and while I’d be happy if it disapeared of was turned into the positive euphamism I see it to be, heh attaching the concept that all gay guys have to be into design and high end fashion to claim the right… is just another stupid stereotype to knock down later.

  4. g_whiz says

    Oh man. This is really at least somewhat charming. These PSAs may have good intentions but they come off as being more than a little kneejerk ‘phobic and somewhat backhanded. I know he’s trying not to come off as close minded, but he’s not quite there yet is he? “Thats so gay” is a slur that drives me up the wall, and while I’d be happy if it disapeared of was turned into the positive euphamism I see it to be, heh attaching the concept that all gay guys have to be into design and high end fashion to claim the right… is just another stupid stereotype to knock down later.

  5. says

    Kanye,

    You’re a total douche bag, talentless and idiot. Consider that a compliment.

    Me, gay but not as gay as thou.

  6. Ventura79 says

    oh the levels of his stupidity have hit an all time high.
    And the amount of sterotypes he spits out are insulting. Not ALL gay people are into fashion, art, interior design, and being fashion forward. The same way that not all african americans are poor, drug dealers, uneducated, crime driven individuals, or for that matter “rappers”.

    Instead of promoting equality and recognizing that no matter our sexual preference we are all unique individuals, this idiot promotes the same racism that all his life hes probably been subjected to.

    Why is he so reluctant to go to a gay bar? What is wrong with a group of gays socializing at a bar? C’mon Kanye, and u call urself the voice of ur generation! Dont be a hypocrit and accept everyone as individuals, the way u would like to be accepted!

  7. Cameron Johnson says

    I love Kanye — I’m truly a fan, but watching this transition — from homophobe who would drive quickly through West Hollywood to person who “is now comfortable socializing with gays” to this new “homosexuality is cool”-thing makes me think he needs to come the fuck out already.

    I appreciate what he’s trying to do, and maybe it’s just in the questions he’s being asked, but THE TIME HAS COME for him to just come on up out of that closet if he’s in one…

  8. Hugo says

    Poor thing. He just sounds so lost. Nobody around to put his head straight. Like Michael Jackson, Britney & Co.

  9. says

    CLOSED MINDS, IGNORANCE AND HATRED IS CERTAINLY RAMPANT IN THE PRECEDING COMMENTS – you’d think the community would know better. Here’s a high-profile artist from a demographic that notoriously homophobic trying to put a positive spin on the phrase [sic] “that’s so gay” and what does the GLBT community do?

    Crucify him for expressing himself. I thought self-expression was something the GLBT community cherished?

    It’s no wonder the rest of the world only sees us as nothing but limp-wristed bitching queens – that’s the only face we put out there most of the time.

    Why are you all so bitter? Sheesh…..

    Kanye – THANK YOU for trying to reach out to understand us. And I think that using the term “that’s so gay” in a positive manner as you described is a great idea!

    We need to embrace our negatives – just like black people re-claimed the ‘N’ word….

  10. Strepsi says

    I dunno guys, you’re being a bit harsh. Yes, he’s not all the way there, but are we really going to say “shut the fuck up” or call him a “douche” because he’s not? I found his comments charming, trying to reclaim “that’s so gay”. I also think he’s brave in a way, because of course he risks being called a faggot himself. And in the hip-hop community “faggot” is about as NICE as it usually gets. In the gangsta community you can expect to be bashed, and In the Dancehall and Jamaican community singers repeatedly brag about BURNING and BEATING gays and call for the MURDER of all gay people! So in this context, cut the guy a break, he may be a bit silly and run his mouth but at least he’s a well-intentioned ally…

  11. Jay says

    He’s an idiot, but I truly believe he means well here. Kinda like that big dumb dog you had as a kid that you’d throw the ball at and it would just hit him in the head cause he didn’t get the game? Then he’d jump and slobber all over you cause he just couldn’t contain himself? It’s like that – a bit messy, but you feel the oddly misplaced love.

  12. Derrick from Philly says

    Thank you so much, CAMERON. I didn’t think I could comment on this thread without showing intense anger and using a few racial slurs at those who posted before you, but you calmed me down.

    For the last couple of years Kanye West’s message has been that it is NOT good to hate gay people. He’s gone against the anti-gay beliefs of Rap culture (a culture which influences middle-class white boys also). He has spoken out against violent gay-bashing. When he’s been accused of being gay by his ignorant peers, he has challenged them rather than going on a homophobic diatribe against gay men to “prove his masculinity”.

    So, thank you again, CAMERON. You’re comment eased my mind…stopped me from spittin’ and cussin’ on my keyboard.

  13. says

    You guys are so obvious with your fucking double standards that it makes me want to ralph all over your Jeffrey Sanker VIP passes.

    What a total bunch of classist snobs.

    You hate on every Black person that you get a chance at. Yet, you same Weho/Chelsea trogs drool over every straight white boy who takes his shirt off regardless of whether or not he has ever expressed one word in support of gay people.

    TO WHIT: BRODY FUCKING JENNER! You bitchez don’t care that Brody has never done anything, but, let Andy post a picture of him shirtless with his board shorts falling off his flat ass and you act like Jesus himself was in the dj booth.

    Even the killers and gay bashers on here you fantasize about, you twats leave comments like “he’s hot” or “I’d do him”.Thank God “The Queen” seems to have fallen to the guillotine. Bore.

    Let me tell you something, Kanye West has the potential to do WAY more than some twink on Survivor or ,dare I say , Lance Bass (my personal fave D-List Celeb) to advance our causes. And yet you fucks can’t wait to bag on him.

    Shut the fuck up.

    I can’t figure it out. I refuse to believe you are all just a bunch of knee jerk racists. I am sure you all love your “Big Cock Black Thug” porn when you’re high, and I have yet to meet a white guy who didn’t confide to me that his fantasy is to be gang banged by a group of black guys (Really? That’s SO original.) so, what’s your damage Heather?

    Are you just such a bunch of old snobs that you don’t speak “hip hop”? Or young ones who “don’t mind Black guys, I just dont’t ‘do’ them”?

    Are you like my dad when we visited Portugal, screaming into peoples’ faces, “why don’t you understand what I’m saying? I want a cheeseburger! Don’t you understand English?!” Learn the language.

    I could care less about Kanye, I do know that I am impressed that he bothers to try to expand his vision. Maybe if some of you would actually venture past the Target at San Mo and La Brea you would find out there’s a world out there.

    You are the one’s living in your sad cocktail and “Crunch Fitness” ghettos. Kanye is sitting front row in Paris and meeting and EXPANDING his woldview.

    Too many homos sit around in their bubbles like new immigrants in their insular worlds never bothering to leave their comfort zone. You’re no better than the old Korean lady whose entire view of America is seen through the Korean tv channel though she lives on Beverly and Hobart right in the middle of L.A.. Your worldview is a dance floor filled with Abercrombies & Bitches who for some reason can’t keep their shirts on in a public place. When you do turn on the tv, it’s a Logo/Here utopia where no Black people exist, and you’re damn skippy with that.

    Give the guy a fucking break!

  14. Stephanie says

    Thank you CARIBTONY

    It is important to remember this is coming from a person from a community that reclaimed a negative word for empowerment reasons. If there is a group that understands the importance of labels, it would be African Americans.

  15. says

    Let’s speak plainly: at least from one who does not sit in front of his tv in an insulated bubble: Kayne comes across as a homophobic piece of shit trying to be cool. Now that’s decided, let’s move on.

  16. says

    Let’s speak plainly: at least from one who does not sit in front of his tv in an insulated bubble: Kayne comes across as a homophobic piece of shit trying to be cool. Now that’s decided, let’s move on.

  17. Matt Not In Boston says

    Derek, you used offensive gay stereotypes in your defense of Mr. West using offensive gay stereotypes.

    Just thought I’d point that out.

  18. Pekemo says

    Where are you getting that idea from Heph? He’s basically trying to a negative into a positive and everyone here is trying to crucify him. You all need to grow the fuck up

  19. Derrick from Philly says

    “Let’s speak plainly: at least from one who does not sit in front of his tv in an insulated bubble…”

    Yeah, what’s outside the bubble? Wisteria Lane?

    Thank you, also, DEREK. Wow, I’m glad you aint no tired DERRICK. Of course, you’ve got youth on your side….these posters UN-thoughtful comments on what they believe to be Kanye’s “un-thoughtful comments” just make me weary.

  20. Paul R says

    Derek, your listing of vacuous stereotypes has nothing to do with any aspect of my life. I do agree that the absence of The Queen from Towleroad has been great, but that was because he loved Sarah Palin so much.

    Two points for those of you who talk about Kanye reclaiming the word “gay.” First, he’s not gay, so he doesn’t have the right to reclaim it. Second, gay isn’t a word that needs to be reclaimed—just the negative connotations of it. Good luck with fixing that, since most remotely bright people stop saying “That’s so gay” once they’re no longer teenagers.

    I’ve never believed the stories about Kanye’s huge ego. Like many people with supposedly huge egos, he’s really just desperate for attention. So he throws tantrums, attends fashion shows, and makes sure he gets quoted for something a few times a week. The reason it’s annoying is because he really doesn’t have anything to say—certainly nothing insightful. Do you really think his comments merit praise?

  21. BMF (aka Brandon) says

    I really am not sure what Kanye is doing or saying. He’s not saying the things the way I would say them or want to say them, but on balance he appears to be trying to be positive.

    Derek Washington: I don’t deny that some the issues that you’ve mentioned in gay culture are true, but you can criticize Kanye’s comments and not be a racist. And as far as the black thug porn stuff, that’s not exactly relevant to this discussion and I think it distracts from the other points you’re making.

  22. says

    “#

    #

    Derek, you used offensive gay stereotypes in your defense of Mr. West using offensive gay stereotypes.

    Just thought I’d point that out.

    Posted by: Matt Not In Boston | Feb 17, 2009 2:53:29 PM”

    Yep.

    sarcasm: witty language used to convey insults or scorn; “he used sarcasm to upset his opponent”; “irony is wasted on the stupid”.

  23. TheObvious says

    If anyone believes race relations in the gay community are fine. Come look at the Kanye threads. A heterosexual black man says positive things about the gay community and the gays erupt into a race war.

  24. says

    Kanye, Kanye come out, come out, wherever you are!

    Oh gay folks are so dumb and used to being bullied.

    Kanye is as straight as my bycicle.

    If you’re all so dumb and small minded to think he isn’t slowly coming out as a working class black man in hip hop in an really homophobic black community..

    You’re just..

    Dumb

  25. Dustin says

    I like the dude. Do you know how unpopular his stance is in the hip hop community. Do you know how much BS he gets from Dip Set and Jim Jones for voicing his opinion? He has nothing to gain from this and it only helps public opinion of gay people. So it tires me to hear all this hateration directed at Kanye. Give the guy a break, you vicious queens.

  26. Bading says

    “You’re no better than the old Korean lady whose entire view of America is seen through the Korean tv channel though she lives on Beverly and Hobart right in the middle of L.A.”

    My issue with this statement is the notion that new immigrants need to conform to some form of American cultural hegemony. As we have seen in the French model, it does not work.

    The central difference between the United States and France is that France, which until the influx of North African Muslims, has only recently experienced mass-migration, absorbs individuals into its classic culture. The United States on the other hand, which has absorbed mass migrations over several generational periods, has continually adapted its own culture and policies to suit new immigrants’ needs.

    So instead of new immigrants conforming to a single monolithic culture, it is American culture that expands its parameters to become more expansive and hence more inclusive.

  27. Derrick from Philly says

    Oh, yeeeaah, well, Kanye doesn’t believe in Korean-bashing either, MISTER BADING ….hiccup…hiccup…

    Just like one can be bilingual, one can be bi-cultural too. Many black gays call Kanye behavior towards gays “brave and open-minded”; many white gays call him a “douche”. Yeah, we stil have different worlds.

  28. TANK says

    What is this “hip hop” music? I didn’t understand what Kanye West said because I don’t speak the language. It did, however, make me uncomfortable, and I instinctively tried to roll up my windows and lock my car door…but I wasn’t in my car, so it was awkward. But thankfully I had some smooth jazz and soft rock to take the edge off. Ahhhhh, journey is white people music.

  29. johnny says

    Kanye’s totally on the DL. Otherwise, why the obsession?

    Derek, step away from the podium. Agree with “matt not in boston”. Your language and freakishly broad generalization of what white boys want or don’t want is as offensive and conversely narrow-minded as any racist B.S. out there, possibly moreso since it’s coming from one of “us”. Kanye has about as much chance of getting “that’s so gay” turned around as I do of putting out a rap album. Sad that you seem as ignorant as the racist white boys you deride in your unedited hate speech.

  30. says

    MIKEY: LOL!

    BADING: WHEN IN ROME, DO AS THE ROMANS DO.

    TANK: LMFAO!

    ROWAN: YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO FREUD ON YOUR THINKING.

    DERRICK: RIIII-EEETT?

    BMF(AKA BRANDON): SORRY BRO, TOTALLY RELEVANT AS IT SPOKE TO THE STEREOTYPES BOTH IN THE PORTRAYALS OF BLACK MEN IN GAY MEDIA AND THE INSENSITIVE (SHALL WE SAY) COMMENTS THAT WE SAY TO EACH OTHER WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE SOCIO-ECONOMIC FACTORS INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE ROLES OF BOTH RACE AND CLASS INHERENT IN INTERSEXUAL COMMUNICATIONS(Ok, I just had to. lol)

  31. shoepins says

    it’s true what Derek said…if it was a hot white killer then most comments would not be about what an asshole he is…they would be about how hot and attractive he is. but because he’s black and just ok looking, then people focus on how stupid he sounds or insensitive he is. he doesn’t fit the majority’s ideal man: white, muscular, and handsome.

  32. Jay says

    Kanye’s race plays no factor into my decision that he’s an idiot on this subject. He comes across as awkward and trying WAY too hard. It’s not a message of “tolerance” or “acceptance” – it’s a message of “I’m down with ‘the gays’ – how cool am I?”. Anyhow, like I said, I think he means well.

    Also, I think it’s funny that on a forum where we know almost nothing about anyone who posts (including most people’s real names), people continue to make broad assumptions about the cultural viewpoints of others.

  33. says

    JAY:

    Thank you so much. I put my real name on here. I used to have an alias, however, I stand by what I say.

    If you click on anyone’s name here that is highlighted in yellow you can got their blog if they have one.

    I write about politics, gay issues, life in general on mine. If anyone thinks they know me from a post they are more than welcome to click on my name.

    JOHNNY: I see nothing wrong with pointing out some truths about our community whether they are comfortable or not. I am black and I am the first person to make fun of my own even though a lot of black people would rather keep our dirty laundry hidden. There is nothing “freakish” about calling out hypocrisy. If you haven’t noticed, a lot of what I say is quite true. You may not get that my delivery is firmly tongue in cheek, however, I don’t lie.

  34. Blake says

    A person’s ability to be a dumbass is completely independent of their race. Kanye deserves to be criticized for these stupid comments just as Mickey Rourke deserved it last November.

  35. Foochy says

    I got mad love for you Derek — you alone make reading the comments on TR worthwhile for me ­čśÇ

    Now, I’m still trying to figure out how the child of a college English professor ends up with such speaking skills, but bottom line Kanye West isn’t talking to homosexual adults. He is talking to the youth into hip hop and rap who has little tangible and/or overt contact with gay culture.

    His statements make my head hurt, especially his use of the “positive” stereotype — but if they stop one kid from physically attacking another kid because they are gay, then he’s made progress, even if it’s not argued from UN Human Rights charter.

  36. Joe says

    This guy is a dope! I mean really what an ignorant statement to make ignorant and arrogant. Kanye is going to change the world one ignorant statement at a time.
    Well how about this one Kanye “that is so black” would now be a positive thing instead of chicken eatin, porch monkees!
    Come out already and when you do, don’t come to a gay bar mmm kay

  37. Bill says

    I want to know if this is a phase for Kanye or if he is for real. A lot of heterosexuals use gay people to gain credibility. It is especially present in the art and music world.

  38. Giovanni says

    “Well how about this one Kanye “that is so black” would now be a positive thing instead of chicken eatin, porch monkees!”

    Stunning. Was that fun for you? Me? Not so much. Your faulty outrage is even more diminished by your bullshit.

  39. Scott says

    I like how everyone just assumes that only white people would think Kanye is a twit. Should I have ended my post with a “holla atcha boy!”

  40. says

    JOE:”Well how about this one Kanye “that is so black” would now be a positive thing instead of chicken eatin, porch monkees!”

    Ok, admit it, you just couldn’t wait to use that, huh? Ever so often you even say, “if black people call each other N*****S, why can’t I?”

    Ooh, you’re tingly just thinking about saying that word out loud aren’t you?

    MMMkay?

    I will say this Homos, we sure do get all AM radio when the subject of race comes up around here.

    MMMkay?

  41. satori says

    Consider where Kanye is coming from people. He is moving in the right direction and can have great impact. The former good, the latter potentially very important.

  42. nic says

    all in all, i think Kanye’s mind is in the right place. i am less disappointed in his ass-backward support of gay men than i am in the short-sighted disdain of him by the same people he seems to be trying to insinuate into his “world”. for better or worse, like it or not, he is at the top of that homophobic world. so, what better spokes-person can we have than he?

    i am going on what i hear and see. i am not presupposing nor second guessing any ulterior motives on his part. it seems to me that what he said was, on balance, much more good than bad.

    sometimes, i am dismayed at the aspersions cast by those of us who should, by now, have learned better. oh well, hyper-critical queers are doomed to their narcissism, i guess.

  43. Johnny says

    Derek says:
    “I refuse to believe you are all just a bunch of knee jerk racists. I am sure you all love your “Big Cock Black Thug” porn when you’re high, and I have yet to meet a white guy who didn’t confide to me that his fantasy is to be gang banged by a group of black guys”

    This is tongue in cheek for you? I don’t buy it.

    This may be what YOUR truth is, but it’s not mine or any other white gay man I know.

    It assumes that everyone who posts here is a racist. It assumes that every gay white man gets high. It assumes every gay white man watches porn. It assumes that the porn they watch is of black men. It assumes that all gay white men want to be gang-raped by a group of black men.

    Last time I checked, assumption was the better part of prejudice.

    You statement tells me exactly who you are without reading one word of your blog. And your “enlightened” approach to all other reactions here guarantees that many others won’t in the future.

    Wow, I guess you win, huh?

  44. says

    JOHNNY:

    Methinks the Lady doth protest too much.

    I bet what I said is the “TRUTH” for quite a few of our fellow ‘Mos here whether YOU like it or not.

    Btw, “some of my best friends are white”.

    LOL! I’m sorry, sometimes it’s just fun to poke the Bear!

  45. nic says

    JOHNNY,

    well said! DEREK seems to have bought into his own hype. extremism on either or all sides is counterproductive. facetiousness is the last refuge when arguments become thread-bare.

  46. Lubin Odana says

    I’m afraid I don’t really follow “popular culture” that much these days (most of it is so dreary), so I don’t know who Kanye is nor do I care.

    However, I like the idea of reclaiming “that’s so gay” to make it positive. It doesn’t have to be about fashion. It could be anything.

  47. Featherz says

    Hey, I liked that. I think it’s a smart idea and I respect that Kanye West stands up for the gay community, tackling the little things, that are really, the most important.

    The last thing I am is a fan of hip hop but I find Kanye to be interesting and unique in comparison to all of the artists who rap about being rich and crap.