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Bill Clinton Position 'Evolving' on Same-Sex Marriage


ABC News reports on the George W. Bush - Bill Clinton "A Conversation with Presidents" speaking tour that kicked off in Toronto Friday night. One of the topics was gay rights:

"And while President Clinton mostly kept to his promise to 'thwart' efforts to get 42 and 43 to tangle with each other, he offered an interesting insight into his thinking on gay rights. On the issue of gay marriage -- which Clinton, like President Obama, personally opposes -- Clinton said of his position: 'Frankly, it's evolving' as he sees more committed gay couples raising kids. As ABC political director David Chalian has pointed out, Clinton isn’t the only Democrat whose position on gay marriage is moving. Clinton also expressed optimism that the military’s 'don’t ask, don’t tell policy' -- which he helped enact -- will eventually come off the books, allowing gay members of the armed services to serve openly. 'I think that time will lead to a repeal of this ban,' Clinton said. That’s one of many areas where the former presidents disagree. But mostly, this event was a lovefest."

The 6,000-person event at the Convention Centre was sold out, and attracted a few hundred protestors.

(via world of wonder)

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  1. Of course it's evolving. He doesn't have to get elected anymore, there for doesn't have to worry about losing an election over issues such as same-sex marriage. We saw the same thing with Gore.

    Posted by: Tyler | May 30, 2009 12:02:51 PM

  2. What a coincidence! My views on Bill Clinton are constantly evolving too! The more I hear from him the more I wish he'd just fade away......

    Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2009 12:03:49 PM

  3. Where is all the vitriol that was oozing through the comment section this week?

    Posted by: Kugel | May 30, 2009 12:27:11 PM

  4. So all we have to do is prove ourselves worthy to him and Bill Clinton will support gay marriage. What a hypocrite! Any straight person who has committed adultery (or heck even gotten a divorce) should not oppose gay wedlock. The sanctity of marriage my ass!

    Posted by: dizzy spins | May 30, 2009 12:43:03 PM

  5. Kugel asks and DizzySpins provides.

    Posted by: Deservebetterthanobama | May 30, 2009 12:57:30 PM

  6. The more these two talk, the more I realize how irrelevant they are. Listen to yourself Bill, you sound like George Wallace, his views too did evolve, that didn't make him any less of an idiot.

    Posted by: Rafael | May 30, 2009 1:11:07 PM

  7. I believe the correct term is "douchefest": one an emotional idiot and the other a total idiot. Which is which?

    Posted by: woodroad34 | May 30, 2009 1:18:04 PM

  8. Whatever you bitter commenter douches. You guys are just up for complaining. If you want ANYTHING to change, get involved in your local party politics. Until then you'll have to put up with whatever is handed to you.

    Posted by: Derek Washington | May 30, 2009 1:22:29 PM

  9. Derek Washington, what do you know what commentators do or not do? enlighten me.

    Posted by: Rafael | May 30, 2009 1:37:08 PM

  10. Evolving or REvolving?

    Posted by: soulbrotha | May 30, 2009 1:44:09 PM

  11. Nah, just REVOLTING. Bothe of them are beneath contempt.

    Our biggest problems today spring from DADT and DOMA, both enacted by our "friend" Bill Clinton.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | May 30, 2009 2:05:35 PM

  12. So nice of Bill Clinton to be "evolving" on same-sex marriage. It was Clinton who set the gay-rights movement back a few notches with his "don't ask, don't tell" policy and his Defense of Marriage Act.

    Not only does Barack Obama have to clean up Bush's mess, but he will need to clean up Clinton's mess as well.

    Posted by: Robert | May 30, 2009 2:05:38 PM

  13. Clinton needs to just shut his mouth already. Anyone who "personally opposes" same-sex marriage, and has created conflict within their own marriage, does not hold any leverage against us GLBTs.

    Posted by: Lacking Creativity | May 30, 2009 2:55:07 PM

  14. Rafael you are right, I don't know. So, Of the commentators on this post, how many of you have ACTUALLY participated in politics other than voting over the last two years? Please, please prove me wrong.

    Posted by: Derek Washington | May 30, 2009 3:09:22 PM

  15. Two individuals making judgement of same-sex couples: one is a dumb-imbecile and the other a philandering-fool !

    Posted by: Godfrey | May 30, 2009 3:15:05 PM

  16. ditto Mike's comment - shuddup Clinton. and Bush. the day we finally have a president who has a pair is still nowhere to be seen. these jokers who think they can tell all of us what we'll do based on their "evolving" perspectives are more of the same tease we've heard for years. send another check and we'll continue to consider your request.

    can't wait for Olson and Boies to argue this like warrior attorneys and get their day in the limelight/history books carrying marriage equality as their contribution to US jurisprudence.

    Posted by: brian | May 30, 2009 3:34:49 PM

  17. Wow. It sounds like a bunch of post-electoral propaganda. You'd think that after serving as President, you could just really say what was on your mind.

    Canada says, 'Go back to America. Both of ya.'

    Posted by: @Daniel_Baylis | May 30, 2009 3:36:05 PM

  18. Well Derek, I have mobilized, contributed and belong to my local democratic chapter. I have marched, written to my senator and representatives, visited their offices etc. I'm not a politician but I consider myself an active citizen.

    I don't believe the notion that we need a gay Messiah, I think our cause is greater than the sum of our parts. This movement belongs to each and everyone of us, our unity is our strength.

    Posted by: Rafael | May 30, 2009 3:46:28 PM

  19. aloha andy....
    it's amusing to read your blog after so many years while knowing where all of this started. kind of like finally seeing a movie about harvey milk -- 12 years after bizarre relations with hetrick martin. credit given to delay -- like they want to give credit to inertia while being in denial.

    it's like reading the commentary from the peanut gallery with all of these pseudonyms -- it reminds me of the flaccid faggots i've had in my life who want to represent something queer but have come to be the biggest pussies -- it's like charity as broadway bares or "jacking off with viagra and rubber band as a cockring". in consideration of some people i've observed over the years, it's wonderful to see you maintaining this site (sometimes questionable sources of scripting ) -- the chicken scratch on celebrity photos albeit prescient to the times is not really cancer surgery -- it shouldn't surprise some that this doesn't particularly translate well even if donald trump bought your tits.

    the showcasing of abusive alcoholic relations as a caveat to programs for children let alone any semblance of community. i'm still trying to figure out how world-class education is the source of this contemporary culture that maintains denial to a purported crisis and its source. or is that, what's the difference between issues in mexico removed from your hotel bar's proximity to playa de los muertos in p.v. -- or how those stories translate across the border and impact stories here??

    go figure. thank you.

    Posted by: ricardo | May 30, 2009 3:59:33 PM

  20. Better late than never. Thanks Bill!

    Posted by: Wayne | May 30, 2009 4:03:16 PM

  21. Oh, fuck you, Bill. You are the worst thing that ever happened to gay rights in the United States of America. Thanks for DADT! Thanks for DOMA! Thanks for advising current politicians to work against our equality! I will be happy when you finally die!

    Posted by: Landon Bryce | May 30, 2009 4:15:02 PM

  22. @ David Ehrenstein:

    You are far too intelligent to run with the Cretin Hordes and declare "our biggest problems today spring from DADT and DOMA."
    [And, Landon, "the worst thing that ever happened to gay rights in the United States of America"? Really?]

    I don't recall gays being able to serve in the military before DADT...or were the 100,000 plus gays and lesbians kicked out before 1993 canned for some other reason?

    And we ALL know how much fun, how glamorous gay wedding ceremonies were before DOMA. All that lavender rice throwing in the White House Rose Garden when Bush pere, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Johnson, Kennedy, Nixon, Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt et al. were Prez.

    I STILL haven't cashed all the pre-DOMA IRS refund checks I got when my husband and I could file as "married."

    Jessica H. Christ!!! Snap out of it! OF COURSE Clinton sounds like a fool on this, of course, both DADT and DOMA need to be repealed to make way for federally-mandated equality. But, regardless of who shares what percentage of the blame, equating them with a kind of legal version of AIDS when functionally they CHANGED NOTHING is retarded or dishonest.

    Pick your hat.

    Posted by: Michael @ | May 30, 2009 4:47:50 PM

  23. Rafael, good for you and I hope that the others just haven't read to respond. If not, my point is ,sadly, proven.

    We sit and bitch and moan about how Bill Clinton or Obama hasn't done this , that, or the other for us, yet, more of us care about Adam Lambert than our rights. How about instead of spending time voting on AI we spent the same mount of time doing some phonebanking for a candidate who supports us? Or better yet, how about we run for office?

    I don't mean to be a parade rainer, but, moaning aint doing.

    Posted by: Derek Washington | May 30, 2009 4:53:59 PM

  24. PS: As much as I think he deserves the fairness of facts and appreciation for the precedent-making good things he did do for gay rights, his treating Bush fils as anything but pond scum and helping put money in that war criminal's pockets is insufferable and indefensible.

    Posted by: Michael @ | May 30, 2009 4:59:27 PM


    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | May 30, 2009 5:03:48 PM

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