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NYT on the 3 Americans Who Inspired Uganda 'Kill the Gays' Bill

The NYT looks at the three Americans who participated in Stephen Langa's Uganda conference on homosexuality last March, and, by their discussions of "ex-gay" therapy, pedophilia, and dangers to traditional marriage, set in motion the process which ultimately led to the "kill the gays" bill:

Lively The three Americans who spoke at the conference — Scott Lively, a missionary who has written several books against homosexuality, including “7 Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child”; Caleb Lee Brundidge, a self-described former gay man who leads “healing seminars”; and Don Schmierer, a board member of Exodus International, whose mission is “mobilizing the body of Christ to minister grace and truth to a world impacted by homosexuality” — are now trying to distance themselves from the bill.

“I feel duped,” Mr. Schmierer said, arguing that he had been invited to speak on “parenting skills” for families with gay children. He acknowledged telling audiences how homosexuals could be converted into heterosexuals, but he said he had no idea some Ugandans were contemplating the death penalty for homosexuality.

“That’s horrible, absolutely horrible,” he said. “Some of the nicest people I have ever met are gay people.”

Mr. Lively and Mr. Brundidge have made similar remarks in interviews or statements issued by their organizations. But the Ugandan organizers of the conference admit helping draft the bill, and Mr. Lively has acknowledged meeting with Ugandan lawmakers to discuss it. He even wrote on his blog in March that someone had likened their campaign to “a nuclear bomb against the gay agenda in Uganda.” Later, when confronted with criticism, Mr. Lively said he was very disappointed that the legislation was so harsh.

At this point it's such disingenuous bullshit for Holocaust-revisionist Lively and these other dangerous clowns to be saying they have no idea how their misinformed theories might hurt people.

Uganda The paper also features a companion piece on gays in Uganda and how they're suffering:

Anti-gay sentiments are one thing, and hardly unique to Uganda. But what seems different here is the level of official, government-sponsored anti-gay hate speech.

“I detest gays in my heart,” said Kassiano E. Wadri, a member of Parliament and the chief whip of the opposition. “When I see a gay, I think that person needs psychotherapy. You need to break him.”

It’s no surprise, then, that many homosexual people here insisted on being interviewed anonymously, including one car salesman who goes by Bob. He lost his job working in a hotel a few years ago after the Red Pepper, a Ugandan tabloid, published a list of names of homosexuals, including his.

“When your boss finds out you’re gay, you get harassed,” he said. “Then you start getting scolded in front of others. Then fired.”

It is hard finding a boyfriend, he said, “because you don’t know who to trust.”

He took a deep breath and looked down at his hands. “It’s a very big mess to be gay in Uganda,” he said.

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  1. And what of the Rev. Bob Emrich of Maine who successfully led the effort to overturn Maine's same sex marriage law? He was also a visitor to Uganda recently and came back praising their efforts. Here: http://tiny.cc/k6Xot
    There's more to this horrific Uganda story than just the three ministers.

    Posted by: 207guy | Jan 4, 2010 7:40:16 AM


  2. Move the homophobes to Uganda and let us live in peace.

    Those three men should be publicly whipped.

    Posted by: Bobby | Jan 4, 2010 7:43:13 AM


  3. Kudos to the NYT for bringing this issue to their front page! Thanks to Rachel Maddow for first shining a light on this outrageous genocidal bill. There needs to be more outrage here -- if this were a "kill the whites" or "kill the Jews" bill, it would never had made it this far -- it would have squished with overwhelming international condemnation -- but the gays, well..

    Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 4, 2010 7:43:33 AM


  4. More smarmy apologies from the right extreme. Oh yes, their faux mortifcation is a put on because of the pressure they will receive if this hits main stream media outlets. Quite frankly I believe they would most certainly support the same bill in the US.

    Posted by: NancyBoyDrew | Jan 4, 2010 7:50:16 AM


  5. It sounds like there was an already deeply engrained culture of homophobia in Uganda before these three Americans got involved, none of whom even remotely suggested that gay people should be executed, imprisoned, or subject to criminal penalties.

    I understand the reflexive, ill-informed nature of some leftists to blame all of Africa's ills on white Western imperialism but in this case the facts don't add up to a conclusive case.

    This is homegrown black African homophobia.

    Posted by: GrabbinNewscum | Jan 4, 2010 8:28:49 AM


  6. Gay rights in America may not have advanced as fast as many gay Americans want it to, but after looking at the situation in Uganda, gay Americans should be highly appreciative that they've come a long way, baby.

    Posted by: Jedi | Jan 4, 2010 8:49:01 AM


  7. @ GRABBINNEWSCUM:

    I seriously hope you are not absolving the American evangelical Christians from their vitriolic comments.

    According to the NY Times: the visitors discussed how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” whose goal is “to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”

    "Evil," they said. And "sodomized."

    Now explain to all of us here how those strongly negative opinions on gay people aren't incendiary enough to encourage and condone this death sentence. (Put it this way: it certainly doesn't help!)

    Posted by: Jedi | Jan 4, 2010 9:00:13 AM


  8. @ Jedi, you know what man, there's always gonna be some queer apologizing for the haters and trying to place the blame elsewhere. Those are the same queers that are either republican or simply self haters who can't get over their own homophobia. It looks like GrabbinNewscum is one of those apologists.

    Those so called Americans went there to incite hatred and while they might not have wished for the deaths of homosexuals out loud, they got what they wanted anyway. Hatred is like wildfire, you can't predict how far it will go or how much damage it will do.

    Those three "Americans" should be charged with hate crimes and put in jail for 10 years.

    Posted by: Bobby | Jan 4, 2010 9:17:16 AM


  9. Well it looks like the NYT has FINALLY caught up with Rachel Maddow. A day late and several million dollars to Rick Warren short!

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Jan 4, 2010 9:18:58 AM


  10. @ Jedi

    Lol, I know!?

    But typical rightist for blaming the victim you have created.

    I mean how did this deep rooted homophobia that already existed in Africa start eh? Considering Africa ceased being a colony of England, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal in the 60's eh?

    I'll say it again, the Christians did a fine job when they went to Africa, the America's and the Islands with a bible and a gun from the 16th century...

    How a sect that had to be underground during the Roman times and is now the most practised religion in the world made it to THIS, it's phenomenal.

    The one thing that got this people to grip Christianity was the fact that they were spiritual people to start with, so of course when they were forced to take on to Christianity as slaves, they took to it like a duck to water. Times TWO!

    Posted by: Rowan | Jan 4, 2010 9:20:23 AM


  11. I tend to believe a lot of U.S. Government money and aid is sent to Uganda. Time to really put the pressure on them to be become
    a more tolerant group. As for the right wing nut religious nut jobs time to start reading those damn bibles you are waving Love thy neighbor not kill him,but remember rick warren cried and in 3 days over a holiday weekend raised over a million tax free dollars so the enemy is large and well financed

    Posted by: walter | Jan 4, 2010 9:23:17 AM


  12. @ GRABBINNEWSCUM: I seriously hope you are not absolving the American evangelical Christians from their vitriolic comments.


    Not absolving them at all - but they are ultimately not to blame for the actions of the Ugandan government.

    Did you read the companion article Andy also linked to in the New York Times? Homophobia is deeply ingrained in Uganda and it doesn't seem they needed much of a pretext to write legislation to "kill the gays."

    Please find me the exact quote where any Western Christian or "ex-gay" leader openly called for the government of Uganda to execute, imprison, or otherwise corporally punish gay people. Otherwise, all you've got is guilt by association, of the kind where if someone happened to be in the same room as someone who later went on to commit a murder, then that other person is presumed an accomplice to the crime.

    Instead of accusing me of trying to find "excuses" for the right wing, you would do better to focus your attention on stop finding excuses for the extreme homophobic culture of Uganda and the vast majority of other African nations.

    As to the colonialist legacy, exactly how long are you going to blame all of Africa's dysfunction on white people? It's like the same people who keep blaming the dysfunction of the African-American community on white people. As if white people are forcing 70% of black children to be born into single-parent homes (yes, that's a fact, look it up, as uncomfortable as it might be to you).

    Posted by: GrabbinNewscum | Jan 4, 2010 9:33:18 AM



  13. I'm actually at the racism among some people here. Why do some people here infantalize black Africans and assume they can be so easily brainwashed by a handful of white people?

    Posted by: GrabbinNewscum | Jan 4, 2010 9:52:46 AM


  14. Grabbingnewscum- you should visit http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/ and examine the extensive coverage of this issue, which began back before the conference began. The three Americans were warned prior to the conference what the likely outcome would be.

    Really, do some research before you blather away.

    Posted by: homer | Jan 4, 2010 9:55:48 AM


  15. @ Grabbie

    I will be doing it for as long as the West BUT OUT of other peoples business. Namely the US and the UK.

    BUT OUT.

    Than lets leave Africa et al to sort out their problems that they were given by colonisation.

    BUT OUT.

    I'd start with getting all those large corporate companies to either get out because they were their since colonial times so have not legitimately being allowed to trade their OR inflict sever CSR on the businesses to support and provide for they landscape were the business is.

    Aid is b*llshit. 70% goes back straight to the Western country that has provided it and than the rest in the pocket of the corrupt govt that made shakey deals with said Western country.

    The World Bank aid program has so much small print within the contracts that when you sign up for AID, it's not just $ you need to pay back, you have to sing to the tune of the World Bank.

    And if you look at the tune of the World Bank, you will that 80% of World Bank officials are American. An even smaller percentage are African, so I wonder how invested in the plight of Africa the World Bank is?

    Thats the thing about Right Wingers anyway. You're not nice people so we cant even get into an intelligent debate about social responsibility because your bottom line profit. That's all you care about.

    It's like you have your family, you beat your child to death, put it down, mental and physical abuse, telling him being a fag is worse than being a degenrate. One day your kid is arrested on a hate crime for killing a gay kid who looked at him wrong because 'gays are bad'.

    I'm sure you think it's the son's fault. So what that you told him from the time he could talk that being gay is the worst thing in the world? That you beat him and called him a 'f*g' when he messed up? It's not YOUR fault that he KILLED someone! You never told him to actually 'KILL' fags. You told him that a good fag is a dead fag.

    Good for you.

    I'm nothing like you and I take responsibility for my actions. I'm not a bully and I pick on people my own size, not those that are so effed up in their country with poverty, deasease and corruption.

    I am responsible as a teacher would be for TEACHING words. Which is WHY teachers can get fired if they TEACH the wrong things to kids.

    I bet your the kind of person who thinks there is no need to learn anymore than you have to after high school. I mean University must be your ideal of HELL! More learning! But why? When we don't need to learn anymore? And apparently a bunch of religous homophobic a*sholes can go to a country to TEACH about how "evil" homophobia is but it's not THIER fault they were 'listened' too!

    I mean why even bother with books?

    According to Grabb you can't be influenced at all by peoples words. So stop reading. Don't learn any new languages. And, hey, don't go to church!

    Posted by: Rowan | Jan 4, 2010 10:13:42 AM


  16. He doesn't need research. His mind is made up. With hospital corners.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Jan 4, 2010 10:13:58 AM



  17. Hey Ehrensteinn - Shouldn't you be scribbling at your blog that no one reads instead of flapping your fat lips here?

    Posted by: GrabbinNewscum | Jan 4, 2010 10:25:36 AM


  18. "Please find me the exact quote where any Western Christian or "ex-gay" leader openly called for the government of Uganda to execute, imprison, or otherwise corporally punish gay people."

    Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 & Romans 1:26

    If you believe that the Bible is literally God's word then you MUST concede that the Ugandan bill is the logical result of that thinking.

    Posted by: Duncan Osborne | Jan 4, 2010 10:28:32 AM


  19. It's amusing (and disgusting) that Schmierer is claiming to be duped. I contacted Exodus myself before he went warning of the nature of the event. And I know of at least one other who did as well.

    Claiming ignorance is astonishing (and foolish) considering that we can document fore-knowledge.

    For a complete history of this story - coverage dating to BEFORE the conference - check out Box Turtle Bulletin.

    http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/slouching-toward-kampala

    Posted by: Timothy Kincaid | Jan 4, 2010 2:26:52 PM


  20. @Rowan: your comments about the World Bank are incorrect. Less than 5 percent of Bank staff are American. And in 2006 the Bank canceled the entire $3.6 billion in debt that Uganda owed it.

    Not to mention, not all foreign aid comes from the Bank. There's also USAID, the UN, thousands of NGOs, nonprofits, religious groups, etc...and in every case the recipient has to "sing" to the tune of the donor (or at least pretend). The conditions attached to loans have relaxed over the past 10-15 years, but some monitoring and oversight are needed to limit corruption and poor investment decisions, among other things. It's a highly complicated, very imperfect process, but the World Bank isn't calling all the shots. (The IMF is far more evil in that regard.)

    These three zealots are bad liars, plain and simple.

    Posted by: Paul R | Jan 4, 2010 6:37:23 PM


  21. Save traditional marriage! BAN DIVORCE!

    Posted by: BILL | Jan 8, 2010 2:12:16 PM


  22. Anyone who would like to read the daily temperature in Uganda can do so at GayUganda.blogspot.com. You don't need a reporter or a pundit to tell you anything. This blogger takes his or her life in hand with every keystroke.

    Posted by: BILLOFTHEDESSERT | Jan 29, 2010 11:44:12 PM


  23. I say we hunt these sons of bitches down and make their public lives living hell.. where ever they go let's be seen in the background blowing whistles and shaking signs.. something along the idea of what they are doing in NY state with the Dems who sold us down river on marriage equality ....

    Posted by: MarkBoston | Jul 20, 2010 12:39:26 PM


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