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Watch: Stephanie Miller, Dennis Prager, Kamala Harris, and Bishop Harry Jackson Debate Prop 8, Gay Marriage

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Also on Larry King last night, newly-out Stephanie Miller, Dennis Prager, Kamala Harris, and Bishop Harry Jackson debated Proposition 8 and gay marriage.

Watch (in two parts), AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. the 7 Million voters who supported Prop 8 represented only 19% of the voters that is not a majority and barely a significant minority.

    Posted by: alexInBoston | Aug 18, 2010 12:06:45 PM


  2. Kamala, you are my hero :) I love you!

    Posted by: Ryan | Aug 18, 2010 12:16:50 PM


  3. I don't think having a 40 something just out lesbian and a women running for political office represented the gay community very well. Also, Prager's comments at the end of the segment last night on Catholics Charities adoption program were completely incorrect. He should have been called out on it.

    Posted by: Name: | Aug 18, 2010 12:25:03 PM


  4. Dennis Prager is a complete idiot. Why didn't either of the women ask him WHERE ARE ALL THESE LOVING MALE/FEMALE COUPLES to adopt all these babies that are just sitting on a shelf somewhere? Does this ass clown know there are 500,000 kids in foster care in this country? What a momumental douchebag! Maybe Dennis and his wife have room for 10 or 20 kids, you know, to jump start all those loving heterosexual couple to adopt the half a million kids in foster care. Put your money, time and love where your pie hole is, Dennis. Or shut the fuck up.

    Every kid in foster care HAS biological heterosexual parents. There's a mother and a father somewhere. Funny, that didn't work out for those kids, did it? But people like Dennis Prager would rather these children stay in a home (which the government pays for) rather than be in a home with someone who loves them, will nuture and take care them and help them grow up to be productive, wonderful adults. Talk about anti-child. Anti-family.

    These retarded right wing asshats live in the fantasy world of "mommy and daddy". But the rest of us have to live in the real world, and sadly these kids pay the price. As a gay man who has adopted two children who are the light of my life, I can say that people like Dennis Prager are the shit I wipe off the bottom of my shoe. They are against everything human and holy to push ahead a hateful, sad agenda where someone else takes the brunt and responsibility of their choices they feel entitled to make for everyone else. As soon as you step up Dennis, come back and talk to the rest of us, until then you're nothing but a puppet with someone's hand up your ass moving your lips.

    Posted by: Bart | Aug 18, 2010 12:33:25 PM


  5. Im not gonna watch the clip, but the text says the question is "Is Gay Marriage Unconstitutional" Why do you have two talk show hosts and a preacher discussing this? It should be legal experts like Harris, shouldn't it?

    And I would love someone to show me where the Constitution mentions marriage. If you want to debate marriage equality, thats fine--but dont make up imaginary constitutional objections in order to mask your visceral religious-based intolerance

    Posted by: dizzy spins | Aug 18, 2010 12:36:21 PM


  6. The adoption question is a distraction from the real question. I'm quite certain that there will be many gay couples who will not adopt. On the flip side, in a lot of places gay couples can adopt without the benefit of marriage.

    Posted by: Mike in the Tundra | Aug 18, 2010 1:08:50 PM


  7. @dizzy spins "the text says the question is 'Is Gay Marriage Unconstitutional'"

    That is not what the text says. The text says "Is Prop 8 [banning same sex marriage] Unconstitutional?" Which, of course, it is.

    Posted by: ravewulf | Aug 18, 2010 2:57:54 PM


  8. While I am a fan of Stephanie's, neither she nor Kamala appeared equipped to debate this issue last night. They allowed their opponent to dictate the parameters of the discussion. Stephanie and Kamala both made the mistake of responding to incendiary "questions" posed by opponents (not the host). Big mistake.

    Just as bad, the women allowed the discussion to move to an unrelated issue, an issue that bigots know they get traction: children. That was a costly derail.

    I believe Stephanie's interns monitor this site so I'm hoping they'll bring this to her attention. Have your bullet points before you get there, then repeatedly hit them. Do not allow discussion to move towards opponents bullet points – immediately pivot away and return to your points.

    Whenever there is a "religious" nut included in these debates, we must make it a point to repeatedly differentiate between a civil marriage license and a religious marriage. A civil marriage license is issued by the State (like a drivers license or a fishing license). Any religious organization has a right to perform their own marriages and recognize any civil marriage or divorce, or not (Catholics and Mormons come to mind – they don’t recognize civil marriage/divorce).

    If either woman last night could have successively highlighted the differences between civil marriage and religious marriage, they would have defused 99% of their opponents hollow arguments.

    The other point that must be made during these debates is that the courts do not recognize Civil Unions, only civil marriage licenses. One member of a Civil Union can be compelled by the court to testify against the other member. Whereas when a civil marriage license is issued by the State, Party A cannot be compelled to testify against Party B. This is a BIG deal that we get traction on. Just ask Rosie O’Donnel. Kelly was compelled to testify against Rosey in Rosey's suit against the magazine company. Kelly was legally compelled to share pillow talk and that evidence was used against Rosey and cost her millions in losses.

    Stephanie is otherwise a skilled debater, I just don’t know what happened here.

    Posted by: Brix | Aug 18, 2010 3:43:47 PM


  9. I'll have to cut Stephanie a little slack since she just told the world she is gay a few days ago (and therefore seems more used to deflecting the subject off of herself with jokes than debating the serious issues).

    But she did really drop the ball when it was handed to her. Larry posed a serious question at the beginning and at the end and gave Stephanie both the opening remarks and the last word for the discussion.

    She opened things by making a poorly-timed joke about how nobody should assume she supports gay rights at all and maybe she'd rather marry Rush Limbaugh. That allowed the opponents to seize 2 out of 3 serious opening comments, and didn't even solidify which side Stephanie even stands on.

    Then when she was given the last word, Stephanie made a joke implying that she'd like to have a ridiculous sham marriage to a woman just to watch right-wingers' heads explode (taking attention away from the REAL reasons gay couples want REAL marriages). Like at the beginning, this allowed two-thirds of the "real" closing comments to come from the bigots.

    At least she's out there now, and I'm sure her debating skills on this issue will improve with practice.

    Posted by: gregv | Aug 18, 2010 4:41:46 PM


  10. Stephanie nailed it at the end!

    Posted by: ty | Aug 18, 2010 7:56:22 PM


  11. I am so tired of hearing about how Catholic Charities was forced out of business in Massachussets. They *chose* to stop adopting. Same thing in DC.

    And while we're talking about Catholic Charities DC, let's not forget that in order to not pay benefits to same-sex spouses, Catholic Charities now offers *no* spousal benefits (unless you were grandfathered in).

    Posted by: DN | Aug 18, 2010 8:16:21 PM


  12. This is a serious discussion. One that I don't even think most gay(men) have really contemplated.

    We need to understand that we are still and always will be a minority, that religion isn't going anywhere, that too much of gay-culture is sex focused and too many gay men live lives that fuel the Rights arguments.

    We make ourselves look bad, with all the gains in HIV-health research too many of us are trying to pretend it's a thing of the past. Bareback sex is being promoted, and too many of us sit back and don't want to call out people who produce bb videos and people who take part or encourage it. Random anonymous sex and "hooking" up with multiple partners is not something we should be proud of.

    The behaviour is still very much the result of the closet and shame. I don't think this is what the 1970's sex revolution expected. And it doesn't help those who choose to have respectible lives, want to marry, want to adopt etc. And the world is still watching.

    We can look at our opponetes and call religous opponetes nuts, but it's high time gay men start sweeping in front of our own ft porches.

    Posted by: Tyler Anthony | Aug 19, 2010 9:39:30 AM


  13. Thank G_D we have Dennis Prager to put things in proper perspective.
    A true hero to our society.
    Thank you for broadcasting him on your site.

    Posted by: William B. | Sep 15, 2010 1:12:51 AM


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