2010 Election

Joe Biden Clarifies 'Stop Whining' Remark To Democratic Base: 'It's Time To Just Buck Up'


Vice President Joe Biden has never been one to hold his tongue, and his supporters have in the past celebrated his loose lips, which have given us many memorable moments, like the instantly infamous "BFD" remark about health care.

Biden's latest comment, however, may not be endearing: while at a fundraiser Monday for New Hampshire Rep. Paul Hodes, who's running for Senate, Biden insisted that the Democratic base needs to "stop whining" about failed legislation, like health care's mythical "public option" and, I'm sure, gay rights.

The politico later appeared on MSNBC's latest show, The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, to get, well, the last word. He may have ended up digging himself deeper. "There's some on the Democratic base, not the core of it, that are angry because we didn't get every single thing they want," explained the vice president. "We've got a health care bill... But because there was no public option, some of them are so angry, they say, we're not going to participate. They should stop that."

Biden went on to insist, "Those who don't get -- didn't get everything they wanted, it's time to just buck up here, understand that we can make things better, continue to move forward, but not yield the playing field to those folks who are against everything that we stand for in terms of the initiatives we put forward."

The Vice President definitely has a point: even if Democrats are upset, aren't they disregarding their American duty if they choose to ignore the ballot box this November, thus leaving a vacuum for opposing parties?

Watch Biden explain himself, AFTER THE JUMP...

Relevant discussion begins around the 11:20 mark, or so.

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  1. He's right, of course... but it still stings to always be the mistress.

    Posted by: stephen | Sep 28, 2010 8:24:13 AM

  2. "every single thing we want"??? We didn't get a god damn think except a slap in the face. Biden is a sad, pathetic drunk, who willingly plays puppet to this administration. Yet even as a puppet, he still can't keep from putting his foot in his mouth.

    Posted by: gaylib | Sep 28, 2010 8:29:19 AM

  3. YO geezer Biden: get something done and you stop whining. I'm gonna keep whining, and not voting or giving $ to Dems until I see results instead of lies from the WH. The Obama DOJ is now the most homophobic department of government, the WH give millions to anti gay marriage groups, no progress on any LGBT issues.

    Fuck you Joe Biden, "ahm goin home!"

    Posted by: Alex | Sep 28, 2010 8:29:26 AM

  4. As my mom used to say "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face". That old saying summarizes the situation perfectly. I also wanted single payer or a public option. What we got was far from perfect, but at least it is something. If the republicans had their way, we'd have NOTHING. If we don't vote and allow the lunatics to get power, to say we'd be digging a deeper hole would be an understatement. As someone here posted a few weeks ago: "The Barbarians are at the gate...and someone left the key in the front door..."

    Posted by: Mike | Sep 28, 2010 8:34:12 AM

  5. The Administrations' new tactic seems to be an unapologetic confession that they aren't getting it done for their heavily courted and promised to bases, portraying themselves as imperfect, yet better than the other guys. The least worst choice of two bad choices is still a bad choice. Forgive my incessant whining, please, Mr. Vice President, but the inability to get results on issues that I care about will lose my vote. I will still vote, never giving up that right and responsibility. I simply won't cast my vote for ANY candidate that doesn't align with my values, be they Democrat, Republican, or of any other affiliation. Please, brothers and sisters, stop voting party lines! Think for yourselves, read, research and cast your precious vote for the person who will represent your best interests! Change doesn't happen overnight, but always begins with a first step. I reject the status quo. Join me!

    Posted by: Robie | Sep 28, 2010 8:34:36 AM

  6. Talk about softball questions! Nothing about what Biden said to Maddow on DADT?

    Posted by: TonsofT | Sep 28, 2010 8:41:10 AM

  7. It's very clear that to the Democratic party The Base is The Enemy.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 28, 2010 8:43:43 AM

  8. I agree with him

    Posted by: Joshua Ackley | Sep 28, 2010 9:01:06 AM

  9. Biden is right. This is still basically a redneck nation and progress, when it happens, is hard-fought.

    Posted by: Philo | Sep 28, 2010 9:02:08 AM

  10. oh biden. einstein's definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different result. why should gays continue to vote for dems if they are not going to do anything for us? sure the other guy may be worse, but if we don't pull out the rug from under you and teach you a lesson, it appears you won't learn. so i'm willing to suffer through another republican admin until you get the message through your thick skull that your base actually matters. otherwise, i'd just be fucking insane!

    Posted by: jgm22 | Sep 28, 2010 9:04:10 AM

  11. Biden is a liar and a moron. Just weeks ago, he appeared on Rachel Maddow's show promising that DADT would be repealed. Well, we all know what happened to that.

    We cannot allow the Democrats to keep getting away with lying to the GLBT community. All the way from Bill Clinton to Barack Obama, it's been a litany of lies. LIes, lies, lies. Liars do not deserve our votes.

    In fact, Democrats have made things worse for us. Look at DADT and DOMA - both enacted by that so-called gay-friendly Democrat Bill Clinton. We're going to hell in the Democratic hand-basket.

    You'll never get my vote again, Mr Biden. And nor will any other Democrat.

    Posted by: jason | Sep 28, 2010 9:35:24 AM

  12. I agree with many posters above and I will not be sitting out the election. I will be voting for third party candidates like the Green Party who will be true allies and not give lip service.

    Posted by: Tim W | Sep 28, 2010 9:50:45 AM

  13. Is not voting because you don't have a candidate with your best interests at heart really disregarding our American duty? Or is it exercising our dignity?

    Posted by: Tollendyr | Sep 28, 2010 9:51:19 AM

  14. You're all just as bad as the Tea Party.

    Posted by: Tim | Sep 28, 2010 9:52:34 AM

  15. When will the dems get it? It's not whining because we didn't get everything we want. It's because the dems didn't even TRY to do what they promised. We're not whining because we weren't able to get a public option. We're whining because Obama didn't even try. He bargained away the public option before the process even began. He promised the hospital associations it wouldn't be in the final bill and then went on to claim in public that he still wanted it. But, he thwarted it at every step in the process.

    With DADT, Biden recently told Rachel Maddow that the White House agreed to the "compromise" in order to guarantee the votes needed for passage. Well, what happened Biden? Which senators lied to you about their vote? Or, was it you who lied to Maddow? Too bad O'Donnell didn't bother to ask you to explain that. Rather convenient, don't you think.

    I never expected dems to get everything they promised. I did expect them to try and to not lie about it.

    Progressives are always told we have to compromise to get anything done. And, I understand the need for compromise. But, why is it only progressives who have to compromise? When do the Blue Dogs contribute to the compromises? When is it their turn to compromise for the good of the party? Apparently NEVER. Well, let the dems try to win elections with the Blue Dogs alone and see how far they get.

    I don't care if the republicans win this fall. The dems will certainly have at least 41 seats left in the senate. They can just act the same way the republicans have and stop everything in the senate. Do you trust them to do that? Or, if the republicans get control will they have the balls to do what dems won't and get rid of the filibuster? Or, if the senate doesn't work out, then Obama can veto all the nasty crap they come up with. Do you trust him to use his veto? No, the apologists for dems don't really trust Obama to use the veto, do they? Well, too bad then. The dems and their apologists should have worked harder to try to keep their promises.

    Posted by: Tim | Sep 28, 2010 10:13:33 AM

  16. I agree that more needs to be and could have been done regarding gay issues, environment and health care. However, given the state of the electorate and the clear-cut choices (fuck this green party shit), to sit out this election cycle when a great deal is at stake lends credibility to Biden's statement.

    You need to stop you're whining. We didn't get everything we wanted, but we got a lot. Staying at home on election day because you want to hold your breath until you get what you want is another vote cast for regression; something none of us want.

    Posted by: Keith | Sep 28, 2010 10:14:27 AM

  17. If the dems want to motivate me to vote for them this fall, they have one more chance to prove they are on my side.

    Obama can come out and state in public that he will instruct his DOJ to not appeal the court decision that struck down DADT as unconstitutional. That will get rid of DADT which he promised to do. Biden claimed they were promised the votes to be able to do it, but that didn't work out. This is the easiest way for it to get done.

    And, don't try the excuse that the administration MUST defend all laws in court. First, that's not true. Secondly, they already did defend the law in court and they LOST. There is never a requirement to appeal a court decision.

    While he's at it Obama could also say that he won't appeal the court decision in MA that declared DOMA unconstitutional. He "claims" that he wants to get rid of DOMA. Well, here's his big chance.

    Posted by: Tim | Sep 28, 2010 10:31:38 AM

  18. the only people that support 3rd party voting tend to be repubs who themselves actually end up voting repub, they just blow smoke to try to get dems to toss away their votes to usher in the repub oligarch run theocracy

    Posted by: mstrozfckslv@yahoo.com | Sep 28, 2010 10:34:47 AM

  19. The Democratic party and the White House deserve the harsh criticism they are receiving. They have squandered their majority, and they suck at selling the things they have done. You know they're in trouble when it's left to MSNBC to have the spine they lack. I mean, if you can't successfully and rightfully demonize Republican ideas, then you deserve to lose.

    But we're not voting for the Democratic party this Nov, we're voting for individual candidates, candidates we should--as voters--have some leverage with. Why are we so quick to throw in the towel instead of speaking directly to the people we can actually vote for or against? I'm disgusted with the Democratic party as a whole, but the Democrats who serve me in Congress have been loyal to my interests for years, and I have no qualms about voting for them. If you don't like what your candidates are doing, make your voice heard. Obama isn't on the ballot this Nov.

    Posted by: Ernie | Sep 28, 2010 10:52:57 AM

  20. Biden is right. Consider what the state of affairs would be had McCain/Palin won the 2008 election and consider what the state of affirs will be if the Reoubliccans take control of the house and/or senate in the mid-term and the white house in 2012.
    The republicans do not offer viable alternatives, they have turned civil discourse into shouting and screaming matches so no one can be heard and are constantly searching for and promoting ( sadly successful) divisive, fear-mongering wedge issues that have little, if anything, to do with the serious issues we face.
    They seek to continue their policies of dismantling the American middle class and pandering to the fears of the middle and working classes so that they vote agains their self-interest and in favor of the ultra-rich and ultra conservative.

    Posted by: jerry | Sep 28, 2010 10:59:38 AM

  21. "The Vice President definitely has a point: even if Democrats are upset, aren't they disregarding their American duty if they choose to ignore the ballot box this November, thus leaving a vacuum for opposing parties? "

    So, Towleroad is now an editorializing?

    Posted by: Christopher | Sep 28, 2010 11:29:03 AM

  22. Over many years, scientists have slowly made progress with HIV/AIDS medicine which has allowed people to live longer. But since they haven't CURED AIDS, that just isn't good enough. Therefore, I refuse to take ANY medicine until they eradicate it completely!

    Yep, that sounds totally logical!

    Posted by: RW | Sep 28, 2010 11:40:07 AM

  23. "We're tired of being the chick you're bangin' but don't want to be seen with in public."

    Bill Maher

    Posted by: JoyZeeBoy | Sep 28, 2010 11:40:38 AM

  24. Don't vote for a Democrat come November you fools, and you shall see what the Republicans have in store for you!

    Posted by: Brains | Sep 28, 2010 12:46:03 PM

  25. True, we didn't get all we wanted, and we shouldn't give to the DNC but rather to candidates we know are pro-equality, but not going to vote or voting for non-Dems equals shooting ourselves in the foot.

    Once the GOP is back in power they'll do all they can to freeze any advancement of our causes and roll back any progress we already made.

    I say, suck it up, vote Dem and then keep hammering them until we get results!

    Posted by: nando6990 | Sep 28, 2010 1:08:24 PM

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