Breaking: NYTimes reports on capture of Bronx Group who trapped and tortured gay men


This is one of  the most heinous crimes i have ever heard about. Andrew mentioned it in his earlier news round up, but these details are going to be the news, especially i the context of increased awareness of crimes against gay people. Be warned, the NYTimes reporters share a great deal of graphic detail in this piece from tomorrow's paper, online now.   From the piece:

“These suspects deployed terrible, wolf-pack odds of nine against one, which revealed them as predators whose crimes were as cowardly as they were despicable,” Police Commissioner said as he described the attacks in grim detail at a news conference at Police Headquarters.,

In the piece it sounds as though police did a good and professional job of investigating but that the  perpetrators might still be at large were it not for the single neighbor who slipped a note to one of the officers at the scene and shared enough information for them to track and arrest these guys today and yesterday. The victims were hesitant to come forward immediately beccuase of the serious threats mad about what would happen if they did speak to authorities.

Though stories that hit on Friday nights typically  disappear by Monday. It's clear to me that i won't forget this for a long time, nor will many others. You need to read about it, but again, i warn of the graphic description.


  1. jason says

    Liberalism has contributed to the bullying of gay and bisexual men. Look at what liberalism has done in the last 20-30 years:

    a) it has promoted homophobic lyrics through artists like Eminem and black rappers, all courtesy of MTV and VH1,

    b) it has promoted the bisexual double standard (girl-girl “hot”, guy-guy censored) through porn that contains both genders,

    c) it has promoted a slew of female pop singers who claim to be bisexual but who are simply aligning their image with the the sleazy straight guy fetish for girl-girl action.

    The list goes on and on.

    How much more convincing do you need that it is liberalism – particularly the entertainment industry – which is significantly contributing to bashings of men who are perceived to be gay? A lot of young men listen to music and watch porn, thus getting those homophobic messages mentioned above.

    Wake up, GLBT community. Liberals are causing gay bashings.

  2. Sol says

    That’s right, Jason. It’s about time we as a movement began to promote “family values” social conservatism. And if anyone needs reminding of how good it was before liberals loused things up, right on this same blog, just a few news items away, is the story of the 1903 Ariston Bath scandal in New York, in which meant got long prison sentences for having gay sex. Ah, nostalgia.

    Putting aside Jason and his whacked notions, I must say that while I feel sorry for the victim, it also looks like he used very poor judgment; a 30 year-old fucking 17 year-olds, and bringing over booze so he can party with them? In the Bronx?

  3. JEFFREY in the Bronx says

    Great. My beloved Bronx once again maligned; this time by the latin king goonies. LOVE how when a crime hits the blot, if it’s in the BRONX–the NYTIMES gives it FULL FRONT PAGE exposure because that’s all the BRONX is good for–salacious crime and because it’s about Gay hate crimes, post this shizz on the front page. I am SOOOO gay and have only found acceptance in the Bronx, and this gay bitch has LIVED in the 212. Don’t get me wrong, these craZy bitches need to be shanked up in Sing-Sing and I got some brothers who’ll take care of that, but the Bronx is not these headlines. It’s like a Pit Bull that has unfairly been maligned. So many of my fellow citizens are hard-working honest, decent human beings, who frankly, are repulsed that our good name has been dragged down by these degenerates who are probably from Washington Heights–IN MANHATTAN. No offense 212, but seriously.

  4. Nate says

    @Jason: I think we’d need much more convincing then you provided. Convincing people usually requires a good deal of evidence. You provided very little—if any.

    If the list goes on and on, why not list more than three examples? If your intentions are to enlighten us, then you need to better than mentioning a vague correlation between the entertainment industry and the attacks on homosexuals.

    The increase in violence towards the GBLT community seems more like acts of desperation in response to the increasing acceptance of gays and transgendered people around the world. That’s just my opinion though.

  5. Jeremiah says

    Gay bashing is caused by homophobia created by Bible thumpers and “family value” idiots. They are conservatives, not liberals, poor confused Jason.

    As to the situation of the crime itself: Are you kidding me? Nine young men who hang out together trapping gay men to play rough with them? How gay is that? Why aren’t they out with their girlfriends? Internalized homophobia, trying to prove to themselves how “not gay” they are. Really pathetic. Self hatred expressed by bashing their victims. Then they go home and jerk off.

  6. JT says

    Jeff in the Bronx : Why apologize to the Manhattan crowd? They’re just a bunch of out-of-town losers who move to NYC to think that “now I’m so cool” and all they do is cluster together. The Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens natives rule. But anyway, what’s really killing the Belonsky, Towle, Goff pc gays is that this case doesn’t involve perps who are Caucasians. Watch how gay activists will hide from this whole case.

  7. Paul R says

    Jeez, by this point everyone should know to ignore Jason and a few other posters.

    I agree that this guy showed exceedingly poor judgment in having alcohol and sex with teens, but the story is still harrowing. Glad the NYPD didn’t let it drop. And with even mild interrogation those 9 “gang” members will turn on each other on a dime, so it will be easy to prosecute. The fact that one of the teen victims was a potential member of the gang speaks volumes.

  8. gregv says

    “I must say that while I feel sorry for the victim, it also looks like he used very poor judgment…”

    @Sol: What we know about the 30-year-old is that he was invited to what he was told was a party (If the invitation came from one of the suspects, it could have been the 23-year-old, who is only 7 years his junior. Nothing in the facts presented says that it came from a minor.)
    We also know that the minors were beaten and raped with a plunger by the abductors while being ordered to say they had had sex with him. I’m sure they would have said the moon was made of cheese if their abductors had ordered them to say that. It is really no indication that the 30-year-old did or did not do anything.

    Until any other evidence is presented, I will give all of the victims the benefit of the doubt and not trust anything the clearly sick kidnappers say.

    I feel sick for the horrific ordeal all of the victims been through.

  9. justaguy says

    Jason raises interesting ideas. But he totally uses the wrong word. “liberals”? Excuse me, kid, I don’t think u have a clue what “liberal” means. By definition, “liberal” IS gay friendly. Or else they are LINO (liberal in name only).

    Now, if u replaced “liberal” with “hollywood” or “pop culture” or “youth culture” —then, my friend, you start to say something more interesting. Better yet, try using “the entertainment industry” instead. And i’m not talking about the pretty people who smile and talk — although its prolly more of them than we’d like to admit–read 25 cents here. I’m talking about the suits who write select and make deals.

    See, the entertainment industry takes gays for granted. Kids don’t say “that’s so gay” (a f**D up offensive phrase) bc of the mormons and religious haters. Kids say it bc of the entertainment industry.


    Yes, the entertainment industry is not as bad as, say the Mormon church. But the entertainment industry is not being the friend to the gays that it poses as being. I think too many closeted or covering execs –or metro hetero homophobe males call the shots in the back offices of the entertainment industry.

    demand better from the entertainment industry folks. dudes, we r very influential in that industry…why the f can’t we get them to REALLY stand up for our people’s dignity.

    Our targeting of mormons is appropriate. But it’s also low-hanging-fruit politics. Our balls would totally be bigger if we stood up to the quietly homophobic supposed-alpha in the room: THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY. wise up, folks. yes, A.Cooper’s a kick-ass guy. But is Cooper’s boss? Highly Unlikely. Shun Vince Gill? Sure, but it’d be better to target the people who control and guide him. The backroom folks in music and movies are the silent powerful homophobes in this country.

    Just givin Jason’s claim a little more punch…in case he’s not all wrong.

  10. Lael says

    Just to make something clear, I read the entire article. The 2 teens that had sex with the 30 year old were 17. The age of consent in New York… funny enough, 17. I looked it up just to be certain. So, he did nothing illegal. Possibly creepy, but not illegal. Just thought it should be pointed out before someone gets snotty and up in arms about that part of it.

  11. Sgt.Sausagepants says

    @Jason 9 out of 10 for style, but minus several million for terrible trolling.

    Seriously. It’s like you’re barely trying to troll.

  12. Zlick says

    This is so effed up, i don’t even think it has anything to do with The Gay. These scum kidnappers, attackers and thieves are just vile subhumans whose crime is against humanity itself and not against the gay community per se. Their victims could have been anyone. Would we rather there be no gay animus so they could have abducted and beaten women or taxi drivers or rival peoples of different color or whatever?

    I guess I’m unable to think straight about this, as clearly these punk coward fucktards had something about homo up their snoot, but degenerates this violent and depraved will not limit their targets to one thing or another, and next week it would have been ice cream vendors or whatever struck their pea brains as fun sport of heinousness.

    Sorry, all i can think at this point is WTF, WTF, W.T.F.?!?!

  13. says

    As the Teabagging Republicans regain power in November, look for a resurgence in gay-bashing. It will be mainstream again.

    Everything we made progress on in recent years will be fair game to roll back. The religious-right will demand & receive compensation for reviving the GOP. Don’t be surprised if State & Federal Constitutional amendments and referenda are once again on the table.

    Meanwhile, many GLBTQ activists will sit on their asses on election day because Obama didn’t meet their expectations. Well, expect the worst when the House, Senate, & Supreme Court are firmly in the hands of those who hate us.

  14. Paul R says

    To point out the obvious, anyone who rapes someone—whether with their dick or a plunger—obviously harbors very gay fantasies of sex and power. And is seriously demented.

  15. Paul R says

    To clarify, a man raping another man. Men raping women is also about power but is another story.

  16. Jim in St Louis says

    GregV:Until any other evidence is presented, I will give all of the victims the benefit of the doubt and not trust anything the clearly sick kidnappers say.

    It is funny how people will read whatever they want into this. Matt Shepard all over again. Stupid people who make stupid and dangerous decisions and then some total strangers are going to make this into a big cause celebe- get ready for the candlelight vigils and the protest marches, not to mention the HRC fund-raising this is going to generate. They only have to convince the fools to send some more cash to some self appointed gay rights organization.

    “…a 17-year-old who wanted to join the gang, the police said.” (so the victim wanted to JOIN these guys?)

    “…said he had been jumped by strangers on the street and robbed.” (and then lied)

    “with plenty of cans of malt liquor.” (doesn’t sound like BYOB- sounds like a nasty old fart trying to get into the pants of some sweet young stuff)

    “…he called the police, leaving out the fact that his brother was being held…”(so the 30 y/o’s brother(!) did not tell the cops his own brother was kidnapped???

    “…30-year-old told them he had been picked up in a van by strangers and forced to give them his keys and address” ( lies, again with the lies)

    “Officers still had no idea about the first teen who had visited the hospital, because he had not called the police” (what is it with these people?)

    “None of the three victims, in their first interviews with the police, were fully forthcoming, fearing reprisal and wanting to keep their lives a secret.” (Jeezus!)

    And this is NOT ‘blaming the victim” this is what grown-ups call ‘common sense’. Do not waste any tears or sympathy on anybody in this case- they all sound like idiots to me.

  17. Rowan says

    Oh Jim you’re so black and white. Let me guess, you’re part of GOproud right??

    Well lemme give my opinion based on not being a judgemental prick, working with people from deprived areas as well as being LUCKY (I didnt choose my parents!) to be educated well so therefore have the ability to see ALL sides of a story.

    You’re problem Jim-you have many-is that you see women as whores or good girls. There’s no grey area in your world-it’s either or. Stupid or Not stupid, never confused or suffering from severe self esteem issues, no you have a biblical way of looking at life where people are either born stupid or not.

    You don’t have a concept nor a want of context.

    I’m guessing you dont believe in the power of culture or society because it goes against you wanting to judge people. Right?

    1) Why wouldn’t a kid want a join a gang? How stupid are you? Do you not understand how much power gangs have in sh*tty neighbourhoods? Protection etc?

    2) The man likes young boys, so what? So do women and so do straight men ALL the time. He seemed to like he’s boys with grit-I’m guessing he’s from grit to, so again so what?

    3) I coupla fine gritty boys wanna hang out, he thinks he’s gonna score. Takes a chance. Now THAT was stupid.

    But did they deserve what they got because he used his d*ck like soo many men before and after him?

    4) Hmm, lets see, would I have told the cops about my brother if he was kidnapped and I was them? No I wouldn’t because you would drag your sh*t through the mud in public, and hey, what happens in the hood…stays in the hood….

    5) Do people trust cops? Really? I’m from a middle class background but enjoyed my fair share of parties at college and we didnt trust the cops. But then I’m liberal and despise authority.

    This story is pretty straight forward.

    I bet the leader of the gang is either a HUGE homo OR he was seduced by an older guy when he was a teen and therefore has a blinkered agenda at hand.

    He hates himself, his life and therefore hates everyone else.

    So 1) either he saw gays as easy pickings, so this older dude hanging out with these younger guys whom he knew were weak and dying to be gangmembers and saw his chance…

    Or 2) he resented seeing the guy with the young boys and hooked them in to hook the older guy but ended up turning on him..

    Either way, this is soo typical of what happens in society within areas of poverty.

    They are ALL guilty because they were born.

  18. jason says

    Liberal is not synonymous with gay-friendly. Liberals can be gay-friendly but it’s not a requirement.

    My point is that much of what influences the youth of today – music, video games, movies, porn – is highly homophobic towards men. Take music, for instance. Not one openly gay or bisexual male American artist has ever hit number 1 on the US pop charts since the charts began in the 1950’s. Not one.

    This should tell you something. Keep in mind the pervasive effect of porn (with its bisexual double standard) and the strategic marketing of many female mainstream entertainers as bisexual-for-the-benefit-of-straight-men, and you get the picture of what’s really going on here.

    We’re living in a hugely homophobic social culture right now, one in which homophobia is particularly being directed towards men. Liberal men AND women are responsible.

  19. walter says

    this is caused by leaders like pedro espada the crook and the self righteous ruben diaz. they spout hate to all their voters and they keep getting reelected. in 3 weeks
    there is a chance to send these creeps to the unemployment office. as to the creeps put them awayfor a long time. hope they learn some compassion while bent over in their cell

  20. says

    These “kids” should be gassed and dumped for the vultures to feed on. I can’t wait for the myriad of excuses, drugs, being poor, no daddy. BOO FUCKING HOO!

    As for trying to pin all the blame on libs or conservatives is ridiculous. They both have blame to share.

    The bronx votes a 90% dem, rube diaz held anti-gay rallies is also a dem and the assailants vote or ever vote you can be damn sure it will be dem. But to paint the whole party as anti-gay is ridiculous just like it is to do so on the other side.

    also can’t we find out their indenties and then gon on to make their lives and supporters lives misreable! EXPOSE THEM!

  21. Zlick says

    I think it’s a huge mistake to jump from pop culture or politics as direct links to gang violence. If any outside force can be felt here, I’m sure economics has more to do with it. Yeah, prevailing culture and politics don’t help, but they are hardly responsible for the violent lives of gang-infested neighborhoods. These problems are much more complex.

    Further, whether it be grinding poverty or a blinding touch from Jebus the Great hisself, no one is responsible for these heinous crimes but the perpetrators themselves. Not the victims, not the New York legislature, not the Hollywood moguls. Just these sick punk fucks.

    I know it’s said by people who should know that rape is everything to do with power and little to do with sex. Yet your dick has to be hard for rape to happen, so I’ve never quite understood. Apparently, these vics were raped with baseball bats and plunger handles, so we certainly don’t know what level of gay was even in this violent act, though of course it was there in choosing targets and in the nature of the vicious acts committed.

    And yeah, the victims are not coming off as shining examples of civic heroes. But first of all, 30 does not make some guy an old fart. Sheesh. And what planet are you living on if you don’t understand victims’ reluctance to report gang violence through threat of intimidation, or the mistrust of police by innocent people in dicey neighborhoods?

  22. Adam says

    “This is one of the most heinous crimes i have ever heard about.” That’s an obvious exaggeration, or you’re just really naive. Although what happened to these men was terrible, this is certainly not one of the more heinous crimes in recent memory, let alone one of the more heinous crimes “ever”. Compare, e.g., “6 Arrested in Mentally Challenged Woman’s Torture Death.” Or “Couple Raped, Tortured, Mutilated, Killed by Mob.” Or “Katie Piper’s Face Melts in Acid Attack.”

  23. ratbastard says

    WOW! An un-P.C., homophobic street gang! Who would have thunk it?

    Some people are [unintentionally] funny. Shit like this happens all the time (I don’t just mean gay boys/men being kidnapped and beaten) it just isn’t commonly reported. The dudes who did it are a nasty street GANG. That’s the kind of shit they do….THEY ARE NOT P.C., so yeah, they’re ‘homophobic’. They roam around, jump people [often totally innocent btw] beat them up, rob them. They set others up [not so innocent] to rob, assault. Drug dealers always run the risk of being robbed, tortured, etc., Happens all the time.

    And I’m not in anyway trying to excuse what occurred here, but these 2 young dude were trying to join a vicious, predatory street gang to begin with. They aren’t that ‘innocent’. And the 30 year old dude was going out to party at 3AM with a bunch of teenagers. I mean c’mon.

    If you think this story is bad, google ‘Wichita Massacre’. I bet 99% of people have never heard about it. It was barely reported on.

  24. Bill Perdue says

    Young men, including many concerned about their own sexuality, are the shock troops of anti-GLBT violence.

    They don’t wear SA uniforms and most don’t prowl the night in sheets, but they are the fascist storm troopers of christers, islamists and judaists. They do actually pay attention to what Der Papenfuehrer says, which, in effect, that it’s ok to violently rape children but not to have same sex relations. They pay attention to Democrat state Senators like Bill Stachowski, rev. Ruben Diaz and the six other who said, in effect, that we don’t deserve the right to marry, The pay attention to the leaders of evangelicals, southern baptists mormons and the roman cult who joined with Obama and McCain to sabotage the defense of same sex marriage in California in 2008.

    Our political anger has to be aimed at politicians and cult leaders who expose us to violence. We have be clear that the end result of ‘gawd’s in the mix’ is anti-LGBT bullying harassment, discrimination, violence and murder. We have to be clear that the high rate of suicide among GLBT children – our children – at the end of the day lies in the unending bombardment of hatred from pulpits and ‘leaders’ in government.

    How to help stop the violence…

    Break with the Democrats and Republicans, the parties of hate. Lesserevilism empowers bigotry and violence. It’s self defeating to support our enemies.

    On Tuesday, November 2nd, 2010 and Tuesday, November 4th, 2011 vote against Democrats and Republicans and for left candidates, of just sit it out (barring important referenda).

    Tax the cults.

    Demand the extradition of US born clerics like Bernard cardinal Law, still hiding in the vatican to avoid charges of being an accomplice to rape.

    Secularize cults schools, hospitals, colleges, universities and ‘charitable’ organizations to prevent rape and abuse of children and women.

  25. GBM says

    Really getting difficult to keep reading the news. I am curious: do we actually know that any or all of the victims are gay? The “goonies” are obviously virulently homophobic and their disgusting brutalization of these men should be charged as an anti-gay hate crime, but from the report it seemed unclear whether anyone victimized in fact identifies as gay.

  26. gregv says

    GMB: No, we don’t know from the report whether anyone was actually gay, but as you implied, that’s not really relevant to whether something is a homophobic hate crime. The attackers seemed to either have made an assumption they were gay or were using the gay label as a humiliation technique. They tortured them to force them to say they had sex with each other, and whether the victims ever had or had not isn’t really relevant at all.
    If they’re not gay, it would be the equivalent of picking up someone who is Dominican, torturing him until he “admits” that he’s Puerto Rican and then torturing him some more. That would be a racist hate crime regardless of what the actual race of the victim is.

  27. tom says

    the Catholic League’s Bill Donahue says it’s a consequence of homosexuality
    they will still adhere to their activism to erase gay people
    this “catholic league” is at Seventh Avenue
    New York, NY 10123
    (212) 371-3191
    Fax: (212) 371-3394 and Mr. Donahue who is in charge of Homophobia there has a cell contact#: 917 838 0191

  28. wtf says

    jesus christ. what’s with all the fucking victim bashing? 30 is an old troll – and can’t possibly be invited to a party with 20-somethings? what a bunch of asshole comments going on here.

    what this gang did is reprehensible. my only wish is that the victims knew some self defense – enough to get them able to run the fuck away.

    as for the rest of you fucktards blaming liberals and the man who happens to be 30: do you have any friends who are not your exact age? ever had a boyfriend who was older or younger? well then you just MUST be a fucking pervert. bitch, please. get a fucking clue. when I was 20 I was sleeping with men twice my age BY MY CHOICE. I was attracted to older men; it’s not fucking uncommon. I’m 41 now and I’m still attracted to older men, as well as men my age and younger. you fucking assholes who try to act like you’re fucking puritans need to get a goddamn grip. ugh.

  29. Jim in St Louis says

    Rowan:You’re a bit nutty-ain’t cha? I sorta lost track reading your post- you seemed to end up defending the street gang. Is that what you were meaning to do? As to the rest of your many assumptions about me personally- I have to say- way off base- I’ve had fortune cookies that came closer.

  30. ratbastard says

    Instead of blaming others or extrapolating, why not place 100% of the blame on the assholes whose life ambition is to go around the streets, in a gang, terrorizing and assaulting people? And you could I suppose place some of the blame on a society and culture that tolerates such behavior, that doesn’t really care about terrible things that occur daily in their own city, town, state, country, as long as it doesn’t affect their neighborhood or their life. Also, political correctness, which implies some people are eternal victims and maybe they have a legit historical reason for going around assaulting and robbing others, ‘payback’, etc.,

  31. TANK says

    Dunno, when I hear of a 30 year old sleeping with seventeen year olds, I get the pervert alert. It’s half your age plus seven. That’s the limit, anyway.

    Now, clearly he didn’t deserve this horrible incident. Let’s rush to make this about some abstraction rather than level the blame where it belongs: the perps. Or, you could jerk yourself off with a heady conversation about the origins of gangs and gang violence, and the social mechanisms in place that encourage it…oy.

  32. tom says

    Hey tank, thanks for your abstracting a hate crime because the f’ing victims were gay
    get that through your thick heady head

  33. wtf says

    Tank: half your age plus 7? Guess ya better let all those people know who are married and don’t fit in your perfect “non-perv” math equation. That would also mean that 50 year old men can only fuck 32 year olds and up…and I would hazard a guess that there are plenty of 50 year old gay men having sex with men younger than that since many of the 50 year olds look better than some of the 32 year olds, frankly. Sex between consenting adults is frankly not your business – it’s theirs. 17 is the age of consent – period. He didn’t RAPE those guys, and in fact there’s no proof he even had sex with them. But if he had, and it was consensual, then he did nothing wrong besides go to a party with some beer that he was asked to bring – from the article – “as instructed”.

    Just because you think something is icky doesn’t make it wrong. If you’re going to use that as your guidepost you might as well go join the wingnuts who faint at the mention of buttsex.

  34. TANK says

    I don’t deny that this is a hate crime; in fact, I would say it sure enough is. Where’s that comin’ from, slick?

    Yo, WTF! He may not have had sex with them, but you need to STOP DEFENDING PERVS, OLD. And why’s it always the pervs with the encyclopedic knowledge of state by state age of consent laws, and harp on them? What I know is that if I had a kid, and s/he were seventeen and some old perv (fifty, or even thirty, actually) was sexing ’em up, I’d break their fuckin’ face my fist.

  35. ratbastard says


    Let’s really get fucking real here:

    18 is the age of consent between 2 adults

    A 30 year old guy ‘hanging’ with teens, partying with teens in an abandoned apartment, at 3AM, is dubious. A 30 year old guy can legally have sex with an 18 year old and up, absolutely, but this dudes behavior is questionable by any sane adult. 30 year old dudes or chicks should not be partying and hanging out with teenagers at 3AM or any other time. If there was a mixed group and under different conditions, well that’s a separate story.

  36. ratbastard says

    What this story also nicely illustrates is the complete lack of any capable authority figure in these gang members life and in ‘ghetto’ life in general. Roaming around the streets at all hours, many dropping out of school, not holding down a job or being able to find a job, no responsible dad who lays down the law, a mom who can’t control her teenage and young adult son but enables him and his dysfunctional lifestyle, laws and social services [welfare,etc.,] regulations that enable the mom’s dysfunctional lifestyle while discouraging in-tact families with 2 responsible adults caring for their children, the list is endless. There’s so much wrong with this story.

  37. Ratbastard is a JERK says

    RATBASTARD shut the fuck up…You’re giving me gas wish your face was near so I can fart in it!

  38. says

    What’s amazing to me is that a horrible story of sicko, demented, psycho gang violence somehow spawned a partisan political argument. Who gives a shit whether liberals or Democrats or “conservatives” (authoritarians) or Republicans are the cause of this sort of sick shit? This is not a political argument. This is a question of whether we need a government that can police its citizens and protect the rest of us from sickos like the ones described here… and that’s “big government”… or maybe we should hire private security folks to do our policing (like Pinkerton, for example)… if we eliminate the core functions of government, are we likely to have more or less of this?

  39. Katie says

    Crimes like this give Conservative “bible thumpers” and liberals a bad name. I don’t care if your preaching while your committing this or any type of crime if you are a Christian you don’t do stuff like this plain and simple.

  40. JIM says

    Jason: YOU GO! BOY. You said it in a nutshell. I’m glad to have one conservative gay man “that gets it”. I felt really alone. Thanks Man!