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Palm Center Adds Voice to Those Willing to Support Putting Aside DADT Repeal to Pass Defense Bill

More from the Washington Post on the earlier news from the Palm Center, Outserve, and Knights Out that they're willing to support passing a Defense bill that is stripped of the DADT repeal provision.

Palm The Palm Center's statement to the WaPo? Their reasoning includes some sort of game of righteous one-upmanship to 'show' McCain:

McCain "has no rationale left, just prejudice," said Palm Center Deputy Director Christopher Neff. "The only rationale left is he's being anti-gay and has chosen to take an anti-gay position to scuttle the defense authorization bill." The groups spoke out in support of passing the authorization bill to demonstrate that unlike McCain, they're willing to put aside personal political priorities in the interest of addressing national security concerns in the bill, he said.

It's a risky political calculation that puts them in direct conflict with four larger groups more directly involved with lobbying efforts to end the ban: the Human Rights Campaign, the Center for American Progress, Servicemembers United and Servicemembers Legal Defense Network.

Servicemembers United Executive Director Alexander Nicholson called the other groups' statement "absolute lunacy."

"It has been the position of the organizations that actually work on repealing 'don't ask, don't tell' to strongly oppose stripping the repeal language out of the defense authorization bill," Nicholson said in an e-mail. "That position has been based on the reality of the vote count, and those facts on the ground here in Washington have not changed."

More to come on this as it develops...

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  1. Nice to see that when the going gets tough, some gays will throw other gays under the quickly as possible to appease a bigot, no less. Pathetic.

    Posted by: B-rod | Nov 15, 2010 6:25:10 PM

  2. Tacking one bit of legislation onto another "must pass" bill has always seemed like a dirty trick to me. It's not that different than pork and earmarks, and it's all sleazy. I've never understood why any of it is legal.

    I rail against the "other side" (whatever that may be in a given situation) when they use this tactic in congress, so it would be hypocritical of me to support its use now.

    Just on principle, I'd rather see DADT repeal pass on its own. It's only a matter of time before the votes are there, since the public support is already there. It will be more meaningful when it passes on its own merits.

    Posted by: Rich B | Nov 15, 2010 6:31:54 PM

  3. Why the heck is everybody throwing in the towel? It gets better my ass. It is falling apart and there is nothing we can do about it but just pull the damn trigger.

    Posted by: Pointless | Nov 15, 2010 6:53:02 PM

  4. Rich B: "It's only a matter of time..."

    We've been hearing that song for a long, long time, and that matter of time still hasn't come. And I agree on the tacking onto a "must pass" bill, but if you'll remember it correctly, DADT was originally passed by being tacked onto the Defense Authorization Act. It's entirely appropriate that it should be undone via the same means.

    On a slightly different note, Aaron Belkin has posted an article at Huffingtonpost, basically making it seem as if The Palm Center is an outside player in this whole storyline. It's intellectually dishonest and utterly disgusting.

    Posted by: MrRoboto | Nov 15, 2010 6:54:38 PM

  5. Game, set, match. Divide and conquer worked like a charm! DADT is off the table until 2012.

    Posted by: Adam | Nov 15, 2010 7:21:32 PM

  6. We're not ready for equality. It's hard to say, but it's the best conclusion I can draw given the state of the movement, and many of the voices in it. DADT was a slam dunk....the easiest of all legislative initiatives that stand between the community and equality.

    Posted by: TANK | Nov 15, 2010 7:26:34 PM

  7. And the knights out logo looks like it belongs on a bag of flour or a klan rally poster. Christ, the lgbt "community" can't get out of its own fucking way...

    Posted by: TANK | Nov 15, 2010 7:49:07 PM

  8. Seriously, someone has to be paying these people. And it's not a "dirty trick" to join legislation to other larger apropriations bills, its perfectly proper and legal. Done all the time. I tend to agree with the comment made that gays are not ready for equality. So don't worry. It's not going to happen for a long, long time.

    Posted by: niles | Nov 15, 2010 8:58:00 PM

  9. For once, I'm with the majority of the gay community. DADT repeal should stay in the Defense Authorizations Bill. If it's stripped, every piece of pork NOT associated with the military should be stripped, because at least the DADT bill IS a military matter.

    Posted by: Steve | Nov 15, 2010 9:11:24 PM

  10. Ah, McCain used the old Jedi mind trick. Let's hope Dan Choi doesn't challenge him to a lightsaber fight. He would become more powerful than we could possibly imagine.

    Posted by: Karl | Nov 15, 2010 9:14:16 PM

  11. Sucks. What was the point of having it on the bill all along if you're going to just give up at the end?

    Posted by: will | Nov 15, 2010 10:23:35 PM

  12. This strategy to "be the bigger man" might work if these groups had any bargaining power. But they have none. All they've done is give political cover to people who want to eliminate the only possibility of getting a legislative repeal of DADT.

    Posted by: justiceontherocks | Nov 15, 2010 10:51:10 PM

  13. Not one fucking dime for those traitorous organizations!

    Posted by: Matt | Nov 15, 2010 11:02:17 PM

  14. Lovely. Just absolutely fucking peachy.

    Obama has no real plan other than "Congress or bust," and the organizations supposedly on our side are giving in left and right.

    This reminds me of a quote from our favorite gay wizard, Dumbledore:

    "Remember Cedric. Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right and what is easy, remember what happened to a boy who was good, and kind, and brave, because he strayed across the path of Lord Voldemort. Remember Cedric Diggory."

    Clearly, some are choosing what is easy over what is right.

    Posted by: ravewulf | Nov 15, 2010 11:43:58 PM

  15. Who in the FUCK are these house slaves?! What sense does it make to lose on principle when there is a fight to be had?

    Would they drop their arms on some holiday in a war and let the other troops shoot them? Because that's what they are doing here!! There is no honor in lining up to be shot.

    Like Patton said (in the movie) there is no honor in dying for your country, there is honor in making the other poor sonofabitch die for his!

    Posted by: princely54 | Nov 16, 2010 12:52:51 AM

  16. Yes yes, You are all doing just great. Keep at it.

    @Tank, Clearly you are a wrong person, You are wrong that DADT is an easy thing to repeal. It isn't, It's like there is some sort of nuance in your way or something!

    Maybe we could all stop treating this legislative decision so lightly and poorly.

    @Adam, You get the prize for being smarter than the rest!

    Posted by: Fenrox | Nov 16, 2010 11:18:26 AM

  17. yeah, polling data of public opinion's wrong, too, fenrox. Go away, you tedious, witless fool.

    Posted by: TANK | Nov 16, 2010 1:42:11 PM

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