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  1. IndyTown says

    A victory for Obama and the Democrats who have been working tirelessly on this. Mountains of work was accomplished behind the scenes just to make it to this point. Also, thank you to NANCY PELOSI for being a fearless leader for LGBTs and getting this passed so quickly to prepare for today’s Senate victory. Thank you to the Republicans who crossed over as well! It’s too bad that we won’t be able to continue accomplishing LGBT legislation when GOP takes over the House in January.

  2. IndyTown says

    @ERIC: If the President hadn’t been a strong supporter of this and hadn’t worked in a feverish manner to make sure the Senate would take this up before the end of the year, we would NOT see this victory today. Period.

  3. says

    LOL. WOW!

    These were the same liberal hacks that said that Obama doesn’t make the law and could only depend on Congress to repeal it… Hence why they protected and defended Obama’s absence on this policy change…

    And NOW, they are saying “this is his VICTORY?”

    Bunch of HYPOCRITES. This is why I always say that these egomaniacs never have the interests of gay people or gay soldiers close to heart. They will relentlessly peddle this as a “VICTORY” for oppressive socialism.

    If you really think this through, this policy change benefits the military more than it would the gay community in the short term.

  4. dpbfeb says

    IF the repeal had not passed all we would have heard was that this was a defeat and how Obama let the Gay community down by not fighting hard enough. For some he will never do enough.

  5. Scott says

    You people are demented. Obama and the Democrats got through 2 of the 4 pillars of “the gay agenda” (hate crimes, DADT) in the most hyper-partisan, GOP-obstructing, awful times. It was delayed, it was messy, but it was DONE.

    Make no mistake, these are progressive causes and progressive victories, helped out be a few RELATIVELY liberal Republicans. Then again, faithful log cabin types, maybe I’ll be proven wrong when the Boehner House brings ENDA up for a vote. Right?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

  6. says

    “If the President hadn’t been a strong supporter of this and hadn’t worked in a feverish manner to make sure the Senate would take this up before the end of the year, we would NOT see this victory today. Period.”

    If the President HAD been a strong supporter of this and HAD he worked in a feverish manner with the Senate, this would have been done
    MONTHS ago. Period.

  7. DR says

    Amen, Eric. Obama did everything in his power to undercut this process while letting everyone else get their hands dirty and now he wants to claim this as a victory? His appeals were vile, he refused the stop loss, and at the last minute as we need the votes appoints Amos, a vocal and outspoken advocate of DADT as chief of the Marine Corps, and he wants to say this is “his victory”?!?

    Talk about delusional!

  8. eric says

    If this was truly Obama’s doing, he would have gotten a Democrat to introduce the stand alone bill.

    But no, it was Lieberman and Collin’s stand alone bill that went through.

    There was a hell of a lot more that Obama could have done if he wanted to claim this as his victory.

    Truth is, it isn’t.

  9. AK_NYC says

    “You people are demented. Obama and the Democrats got through 2 of the 4 pillars of “the gay agenda” (hate crimes, DADT) in the most hyper-partisan, GOP-obstructing, awful times. It was delayed, it was messy, but it was DONE.”

    And, in addition, in 2009 he and the Democrats worked to get the HIV immigration and travel ban lifted. Do you really think this day/vote would have happened with McCain/Palin?? They are demented.

  10. BH3000 says

    The President will never do enough to please some of you. Can you just give him and the Congress a little bit of credit? If he did not support this; trust me, it would not have happended. Do not believe that Lieberman or Collin’s have that much political capital. The President had to call in some favors along with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. He does deserve some of the credit. As we know, he would have been given all of the blame if it did not pass.

  11. OnyxEsq says

    You racist Obama haters will never give Obama credit for anything! You spent the last two years complaining that Obama was not doing enough to advance Gay Rights. Now that Obama is about to sign the repeal of DADT into law, you still refuse to give him credit.

    Prior to the mid-term elections, Obama promised to repeal DADT during the lame duck session of Congress. Guess what? Obama was right.

    You guys are a bunch of evil, nasty, racist haters. Grow up and show some appreciation. If it had not been for your beloved Bill Clinton, there wouldn’t have been a DADT to repeal in the first place.

    I’m sick of the Obama haters on this site. Get on your knees and swallow your pride.

  12. woodroad34d says

    Obama kept saying it would be taken care of but he kept sending mixed signals. He speaks well, but he is not a true communicator. Any animosity from his base is his own doing. He seems to think we should automatically trust him without proof.

    I’m wondering if the cave-in on the tax bill had anything to do with this. As this last election showed, we were a powerful influence.

  13. Paul R says

    It happened. Sorry it didn’t happen soon enough for you. Maybe we all should have voted for McCain. Remember, the one who while campaigning didn’t know what LGBT stood for?

    Though I will hardly be surprised if some GOP nutjob in the next Congress puts forth a symbolic, pointless, hateful bill to block gays and lesbians from serving in the military.

  14. J.P. says

    The reason DADT got repealed is because Obama spent time getting the top military leaders on board. The study was his idea and repeal could not have been acheived without it. Did you see all the Senators who used it as their reason to vote for repeal. I’m sorry to see some of you Obama haters who let your bias cloud your judgment while ignoring the facts.

  15. says

    “And, in addition, in 2009 he and the Democrats worked to get the HIV immigration and travel ban lifted.”

    Most of us are actually responsible people and hence DO NOT have HIV.

    So why is this an issue anyway?
    ——————————————-
    “You people are demented. Obama and the Democrats got through 2 of the 4 pillars of “the gay agenda” (hate crimes, DADT)”

    How is the hate crimes law a “pillar” of the gay agenda? In the majority of the cases victims were unable to prove a hate crime or a bias motivated crime happened. Most gay bashers get a slap on the wrist, a few months in jail etc. So no I’m not buying it.

    Still under a DEMOCRATIC congress we were unable to repeal DOMA and pass UAFA. But then again you liberals just turn the other cheek and say “oh well, you win some you lose some.” Surely you say this because we have a liberal President and Congress still.

  16. says

    “The President will never do enough to please some of you.”

    And being opposed to gay marriage and having the same stance as Rush Limbaugh should please us… how?

  17. Jay says

    Some of you people on here are full of sh*t. Had it not been for this President, this bill would not have been brought up period. Were some of you asleep the last 17 years while DADT was active?? Did some of you forget that it was a Democratic President that signed DADT into place the first place?? The fact is this President has exposed some of you on the left as being just as knee jerk and ridiculous as those on the far right. Just admit that you were wrong and he was right, eat your crow and move on to complaining about the next thing.

    And by the way, because this President is the most obstructed against President in history, they had to bring the bill up with an indepdendent and Republican to get the last few Republicans to go along. Some of you are way out of your league when it comes to politics. Disagree with this Presidents policies but to suggest that what this man has been able to do through a very broken system in such a short amount of time is not impressive is BS. Especially in a country that has been on cruise control for 30 years.

    Rachel was mature enough to admit she was wrong, hopefully she’ll be mature enough in the future to allow this President to try to get things done his way and not dictate to him how to get it done. That was what the argument was about, some of you wanted this overturned how you wanted it overturned…this made no promises about how he would over turn DADT, he just said he would over turn it. Sitting on the internet backseat driving is not exactly contributing to the cause. So please give it a rest already. Also, Rachel did get one thing wrong, the people on the left who were bashing this President are not his strong supporters, they are fair weathered people who basically are too weak minded to see the bigger picture.

  18. says

    “You racist Obama haters will…”

    –And the conversation ends here.

    Are you liberals that racist and hateful that you MUST pull the race card out?

  19. rackt says

    bitter tears, so many of them. Obama wanted repeal through the legislature, and got it. Victory for Obama- 1 Obstructionist and haters – 0.

    This is the real deal. Not some silly executive order bs. Even better than a regional court ruling, too. took a long time, but change does happen.

    As far as Lieberman- when everyone was calling for his balls after the elections in 08, Obama saved him.

  20. sugarrhill says

    Don’t feed the trolls, everyone. This is a victory for Obama and the Democrats. Don’t lose sight of that. We pushed this through and we got this done. We suffered many setbacks and had to make deals with the devil, but we got this law repealed through Congress the way Obama said he wanted it done.

  21. rackt says

    “Your right, that would have taken some BALLS.”

    Because we love fighting the same old fights. It’s so fun.

  22. J.P. says

    You really are delusional, Pepa. The executive order would have caused problems for congresional action. The republicans would have undermined it as an attempt to side-step congress. Obama does not take the easy road that will alienate people and have short term effects. He tries to make real, lasting change. That is what was done here and there will be no backlash because it was handled brilliantly and effectively.

    I fell sorry for you and the other haters who have your heads so far up your ass that you can’t see what has happened here.

  23. jjasonham says

    Bravo. Another promise cap taken care of by the Obama administration. People like Pepa will never, ever be pleased. If there is something that can possibly spat on, Pepa and people of like-mind will find it, regardless of reality. I’m tempted to scan back through all those comments throughout saying this could not/should not be done legislatively. I clearly remember defending myself, the administration, and even Ari from absolute evisceration because they thought the strongest way to repeal was legislatively. Everyone has their opinions about strategy and governing, but at least be man enough to accept that something you may not have endorsed succeeded. And even more than that, we all benefit in the end, and pushes our civil rights cause even further.

  24. Paul R says

    I second not responding to the trolls. They sound like whiny teenagers with a myopic view of politics and no knowledge of history.

  25. Joe says

    I actually think this happened in spite of Obama. Yes, he twisted the arms of Pryor and Brown near the end, but he did not work as hard on this as he should have.

    I’d give this one to the tireless activist – like those at Getequal and others – who worked their asses off lobbying the senate and making sure this issue didn’t get ignored in the media.

    Obama’s win. Puh-leez.

  26. JusticeontheRocks says

    PEPA: I really hate to do this, but you are 100% right. This happened because the Secretary of Defense didn’t want the federal courts to tell him to implement true equality. he wants equality on his terms.

    Anyone who thinks this is an “Obama victory” is just reinventing history. His tactics failed at every turn.

    Rachel is off base on this one. I’ll keep watching and enjoying her, though.

  27. SteveC says

    It was a PR disaster for Obama to start defending DADT in court. Regardless of his intention it made him look like a homophobic bigot.

    We must keep the pressure on him to fulfil his pre-election promises to our community.

    Obama needs to understand that we expect him to live up to his pre=election promises. Even with the Republicans in the ascendant, I expect and demand that Obama issues an executive order suspending the DOMA Apartheid law.

  28. Dan4444 says

    Some of you folks are delusional.

    Obama played the long game, and he won. Just like he did against Hilary. Just like he did against McCain. Just like he did on Healthcare. Just like how Obama got just about EVERYTHING he wanted by conceding some take cuts for people making over 200K.

    I’m sure some of you were foaming at the mouth about Obama encouraging the dems to let Liebermann caucus with them still. If he had not played the long game like he did, I highly doubt there would have been this vote today.

  29. SteveC says

    DOMA is more important than DADT.

    ENDA is more important than DOMA.

    The repeal of DADT is gratifying.

    But we need to keep our eye on the goal – the repeal of all apartheid laws, and full legal equality

  30. J.P. says

    Justiceontherocks… I don’t believe for a second that you hate to agree with Pepa. You both have had the same biased views against Obama for a while. You might even be the same person.

    It’s hard to believe there are two people so naive and misinformed about the realities of our political process.

  31. SteveC says

    I think we should be glad that DADT is gone.

    At the same time we should be ashamed that an apartheid style law like DADT was ever in place. It was so truly embarrassing for the US. It made us look like primitive bigots.

    Now what is the plan to repeal DOMA within the next 2 years?

  32. J.P. says

    Repealing DADT was very important because it sets the stage for other battles. How can a government pass ENDA and tell private employers to stop discriminating when the government discriminates.

    It seems to me that Obams could get ENDA through the next Senate. I’m not sure about the House though.

    DOMA might have to work through the courts.

  33. Paul R says

    @J.P.: I think ENDA will be easier to pass than DADT was, but I may just be unusually optimistic.

    There’s no national defense rationale there or need for studies of whether having gay coworkers undermines business morale, and voter support for ENDA runs even higher than for DADT repeal. DOMA repeal will be the hardest, no question.

  34. DR says

    And, in addition, in 2009 he and the Democrats worked to get the HIV immigration and travel ban lifted. Do you really think this day/vote would have happened with McCain/Palin?? They are demented.

    Posted by: AK_NYC | Dec 18, 2010 7:50:18 PM

    That process began under Bush II. In 2008 he signed the bill which effectively lifted the ban and was sent over to the Department of Health and Human Services to craft the regulation which would be the final nail in its coffin. Even Obama acknowledged that Bush did all the work but the regs weren’t rewritten until his term was over.

  35. Paul R says

    The HIV ban is yet another mark of shame on the US. Nearly 30 years after the discovery of the disease and more than 25 after learning its means of transmission, we maintained a truly hateful, discriminatory law.

  36. Bobo says

    WOW! We can’t even take a moment out of the bickering to celebrate?
    This is a huge first step. Do I like everything about Obama? No. Do I like everything about the Democrats? NO.
    But this is a major step forward for the rights of our community that would have never happened under a Republican Administration or a majority Republican congress.
    What we need to do is keep our eyes looking forward…yes it has been a really long road with many more miles to go.
    So let’s take a moment to celebrate, and then keep the pressure on to get ENDA, and get rid of DOMA.
    Someone quoted JFK in the comments with what he said after the bay of pigs…victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan.
    It is the thousands in the gay community who put pressure and kept the pressure on the political party that is the most receptive to us, and that is what we need to keep doing!

  37. Bruno says

    @Paul R: A non-transgender inclusive ENDA might be easier to pass than DADT. But inclusively, we saw it fail to gain any momentum this year. I’m not saying I want a non-T inclusive bill, but it’s the only one that could even remotely have a chance of passing, and still likely not in next year’s House.

  38. says

    I’m confused. Rachel and those who agree here must be talking about someone else and not:

    1. The Obama who promised in 2007 that, “As president, I will work with Congress and place the weight of my administration behind enactment of the Military Readiness Enhancement Act[MREA], which will make nondiscrimination the official policy of the U.S. military,” …and then sat on his ass except to back Gates’ demand that the MREA be gutted.

    “Pelosi said the House WEAKENED ITS REPEAL LANGUAGE TO MOLLIFY THE WHITE HOUSE. Military leaders REFUSED TO ACCEPT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BAR DISCRIMINATION, so the clause was dropped.” – “The Huffington Post,” June 3, 2010.

    2. The Obama who promised in 2007: “I will task the Defense Department and the senior command structure in every branch of the armed forces with developing an action plan for the implementation of a full repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” ….and then backed Gates’ scheme to, instead, come up with a study that would push the vote to the brink of disaster.

    3. The Obama who said in 2007: “That work should have started long ago. It will start when I take office,”….but….see “sat on ass” above.

    4. The Obama who said in 2007: “America is ready to get rid of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy. All that is required is leadership,”…and then refused to provide it.

    5. The Obama who Reid virtually begged LAST year to start providing that leadership.

    “I therefore request that you bring to Congress your recommendations on DADT. Your leadership is greatly … needed at this time.” – letter from Harry Reid, September 2009.

    6. The Obama who Levin virtually begged in June of LAST year to start providing that leadership, saying, “This cannot be addressed successfully without that kind of leadership.”

    7. The Obama who had to be dragged by our allies in Congress to agreeing to support ANY vote in the House in May of this year.

    “The final push [for ‘repeal’] came from the Hill, where key members of Congress who support ‘repeal’, like Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), the powerful chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, made it clear that they were moving forward with ‘repeal’ legislation with or without the White House’s blessing.” – “Talking Points Memo,” May 26, 2010.

    8. The Obama who has asserted that DADT is Constitutional when the Supremes have never ruled on it.

    9. The Obama who’s refused to use his legal powers under federal law 10 USC 12305 to end gay discharges in the name of national security pending repeal even as he’s said they, “weaken national security,” and despite calls from Reid, Levin, Pelosi, and multiple other members of Congress to do just that.

    10. The Obama who fought to kill three legal challenges to DADT, succeeding in killing one, and is now fighting to have the two rulings against the ban overturned.

    11. The Obama being sued by the ACLU for perpetuating the Bush policy of giving gays discharged only 50% of the pay they have coming to them.

    Not THAT Obama, right?

  39. Miche Rutledge says

    I give credit to Lieberman and, begrudgingly to Collins (who killed the first bill). It was dead and they resurrected it.

    President Obama deserves credit for the military study, but lets be honest. His preferred method (the first bill) went down in flames.

    Credit for the second bill goes to Lieberman and Collins who did the heavy lifting. Then credit to Pelosi and then Reid. Then President Obama for whatever he did do on the second bill (it’s not clear to me that he did anything, but perhaps there was something behind the scenes or something that I’ve not heard about.

    I just don’t see where we can realistically give Obama total credit for the victory. I’m a bit offended at his grab for credit, to be honest. It’s unseemly.

    I don’t hate the man, I just don’t think he really earned credit for the victory in this instance. He played an important part, but he didn’t really do anything to deliver victory on the second bill.

  40. larson says

    “Are you liberals that racist and hateful that you MUST pull the race card out?”

    i’ve read more than enough comments here, and elsewhere on the internet, to know that race still very much plays a part. you’re delusional if you think otherwise.

  41. jjasonham says

    There are some craaaaaazy people in here. Quick to reject anyone and anything that doesn’t feed their illusions of martyrdom.

  42. says

    “You really are delusional, Pepa.”

    How is that? ALL of you were DEMANDING a stop loss executive order. So then YOU were delusional.

    “The executive order would have caused problems for congresional action.”

    NO. It would have placed more pressure on the congress to act and not sit around farting for two years trying to please illegals and wall street criminals.

    “Obama does not take the easy road that will alienate people and have short term effects.”

    This doesn’t make sense. He has always taken the “easy road” you libs even admit it when Obama “sold you out” on the Bush tax cuts.

    “That is what was done here and there will be no backlash because it was handled brilliantly and effectively.”

    There is no grantee of this, there will still be backlash with this legislative action.

  43. says

    “Everyone has their opinions about strategy and governing, but at least be man enough to accept that something you may not have endorsed succeeded.”

    What the hell are you talking about? I always endorsed legislative action. But you libs in congress were dithering and using a wet finger to detect which way the wind was the blowing.

    “And even more than that, we all benefit in the end, ”

    I’ll see you at the recruitment center then. LOL.

  44. says

    “I second not responding to the trolls. They sound like whiny teenagers with a myopic view of politics and no knowledge of history.”

    If this isn’t an ignorant statement, I dunno what is. Oh I forgot I was dealing with FASCISTS.

  45. says

    “Obama played the long game, and he won.”

    What is that supposed to mean?

    He made a bet that DADT was going to be repealed in congress, and he won that bet.

    Now what does that tell you about his leadership when he rolls the dice like this?

  46. says

    “ou both have had the same biased views against Obama for a while. You might even be the same person.”

    And the evidence is….?

    Just to let yo know you drone, there are people who AGREE on SOME things that I say. Not everybody is going to drink YOUR kool-aid. Sorry.

  47. says

    “President Obama deserves credit for the military study, but lets be honest. His preferred method (the first bill) went down in flames.”

    Yes but most of the drones in here are not going to pay attention to those facts. They have a sick cult-like fascination of ONE MAN doing all this. This is like living in Germany in the early 1930’s.

  48. major707 says

    What is that you think just got passed? A repeal of DADT? What you got is a bill that allows the military to determine when and how gays will be allowed to serve. Can Dan Choi join the Army tomorrow? Next week then? No. Can a gay soldier come out tomorrow? Next week? No, according to this bullshit bill DADT will be law until the military says they are ready for gays to serve. And who will make that decision? The service chiefs….like the Commandant of the Marine Corps that Obama just appointed, who thinks that gays will cause soldiers to get their legs blown off.
    This President and Democratic Congress has sold us a bill of crap. It was Democrats that got us DADT, remember Sam Nunn? Until my brothers can serve openly then I will celebrate victory, but until then I don’t have much respect for our “fierce advocate”.
    Oh and before you start calling me names, I have been a Democrat all my life and I voted for Obama. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice and then I am the idiot!

  49. says

    “Oh and before you start calling me names,”

    Don’t count on that… That is the ploy that the Marxists on this board will use. Kill the messenger and forget the message.

    You make obvious points, but again we are not in Kansas anymore… The Marxists will use this “repeal” bill as a scapegoat to degrade those of us who really care about the community and the gays who serve in our military.

  50. Frank says

    @Major, integration in the military took years to implement fully. This bill, even though it’s only a step, is none the less a big step in the right direction. Just take a step back and feel fortunate to be alive to live in a time were something like this is possible. I’m not saying to completely relax and abandon the fight. Just take time to savor this small victory.

  51. Sean says

    I will give credit where credit is due, this is a victory for Obama and the congressional Democrats, and I am thrilled that it has finally happened.

    This said, to quote the Senate majority leader, it should have happened yesterday… If DADT had been overturned prior to November and the elections, a lot of LGBT voters would have been more supportive of Democratic candidates. Obama hurt himself and the party by not pushing to get this done sooner. He got my support back today, he had lost it earlier this year.

  52. says

    I am hella proud of Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Dan Choi, the activists of Nevada who forced John Ensign to vote for repeal and Get Equal for the work they all did to end DADT!

    This, ladies and gents, is the beginning of the end for discrimination against all of us LGBT US citizens!This was our Selma moment!

    BRAVO!

  53. jason says

    While DADT has been repealed legislatively, it still remains as part of the military’s rules. You can still be dismissed for coming out as gay. This is because Obama and the Democrats made their support of repeal conditional on a “timetable” that must be determined by Robert Gates.

    The question we should be asking now is this: how long is it going to take before gays can serve openly without being dismissed? This is THE most important question each one of you should be asking. Don’t fall for the ebullience that comes with having the Senate repeal DADT in theory.

    I want to know how long this timetable is going to take. And I want to know now.

  54. jason says

    I’m sorry but if it weren’t for us regular, ordinary gay people, DADT would never have gotten through. WE did it, NOT Gay Inc. Gay Inc is too busy shmoozing at cocktail parties and drinking alcohol.

    In essence, let’s not lose sight of the main point here. We need to know when the dismissals will end. We need to get some idea from Obama and Gates as to when gays can serve openly without being dismissed.

    We need to get a ball-park estimation as to the time schedule for the ceasing of the dismissals.

  55. sugarrhill says

    Argh, almost everyone her needs a civics lesson on how our government works. This is just a sad display of ignorance on every count. Regardless, don’t feed the trolls. They will gripe until the bitter end. Let’s celebrate our victory without having to quality it.

  56. W says

    To those that claim Obama is taking credit for the repeal of DADT, please point me in the direction of an article or video where he makes that assertion. Thank you.

  57. Gus says

    Everyone is justifiably praising the efforts of the activists, the President, the Joint Chiefs, Democrats in the Senate and adding Sens. Lieberman and Snowe. I would like to praise Sen. Voinovich from Ohio, who voted for cloture. Sen. Voinovich could have comfortably rested on his deeply held religious convictions, his middle class, Midwestern mid-century ideology and done nothing. But he did not in his last few days in the Senate before retiring.

    http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/12/12/copy/mr–ohio.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

    I am going old school and snail mail a thank you note and ask others to do the same for the gentleman from Ohio.

    Sen. George V. Voinovich
    524 Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510

  58. says

    Exactly why is it that I am being censured on Towleroad? Every post keeps getting deleted.

    I’ll keep this succinct. @Pepa, I agree with Nic, you’re an idiot.

    One more giant step for equality. We’re on our way.

  59. william says

    Obama will certainly get the credit for this in the history books but in reality he had nothing to do with this victory. This is a result of grass root work for GLBT equality from many different groups. Obama gave lip service only and has done more to derail this legislation than any “supporter” ever has or will. I am looking forward to 2012 when i can vote this sob out of office!

  60. Name: says

    This is our victory. Obama should’ve signed an executive order his first 3 months in office and it would’ve been forgotten by his opponents come 2012. Instead he wasted 2 years and thousands of discharges, and ruined lives later. I’m sick of the whining of his administration about all the problems he inherited. If he didn’t think he was up to the job, he should’ve stayed in Chicago.

  61. BH3000 says

    Executive Orders cannot and do not trump legislation passed by Congress. No Executive Order will stand against that legislative mandate. For this reason, many Executive Orders cite authorization from specific acts of Congress rather than vague or perceived powers somehow granted to the Executive without explicitly saying so in the Constitution. Those Executive Orders that are not authorized through Congressional acts frequently contain some other purported justification such as the reference to “executive power” in Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. Therefore, a legislative victory is the law and could only be changed by an act of Congress or by the Supreme Court who may deem the law unconstitutional, since Congress has the power to change the laws of the land. When a President signs an Executive Order, the President has the authority to make sure that this law is faithfully executed while they are in office. However, the Executive Order can be changed or removed by the next President. This was the best way to affirm its legality without being trumped by a law passed in Congress at a later date or to have an Executive Order repealed by a different administration.

  62. Josh says

    Obama gave us the hate crimes bill, repeal of DADT, and a directive banning hospitals from discriminating against gay couples in respect to hospital visitation rights.

    His administration also attempted to intervene in a bullying case where they wanted to extend Title IX protections to gay youth in school, but the case was settled first.

    No President has done more for the gay community. This is fact.

    Just by mentioning us in positive terms moves the culture and the cultural dialogue along in our favor. Yet, he has managed to get the first federal laws that acknowledge us as a suspect class.

    If the Democrats had not lost the house, ENDA could have been a real possibility.

    A repeal of DOMA is still a long ways off.

    Every gay person should thank God/Universe every day that Obama was elected.

    He will be in the history books concerning gay history as the President that got us the first federal gay rights.

  63. Josh says

    Obama saved capitalism from a depression by extending Bush’s bailouts and by passing the stimulus bill and somehow gets branded a socialist for it. Its ridiculous.

    Calling Obama a socialist is rank intellectual dishonesty.

    Obama is a capitalist who believes in some regulations at the top and some social safety nets at the bottom.

    Bush doubled the deficit and the tea party didn’t revolt.

    Bush started the bailout and didn’t get branded a socialist.

  64. Esurb says

    I had hoped to be able to write our Hoosier Senator Lugar and thank him for his dignity, but alas, he toed the party line. But NOW: I must go silent with my suggestion that Barry Obama is a possible homophobe.

  65. Tony says

    “racist Obama haters” This is not helpful, it’s a statement designed to stop discussion. Just like parents who say “until you have kids of your own you can’t know anything about what’s good for them”

    I’m more than happy to give the President the amount of credit he deserves for this…but, I think Congress deserves MORE credit than the President. And this does not make me a racist Obama hater.

  66. Vince says

    Rachel Maddow has just lost a great deal of my respect. For a highly intelligent commentator she seems to have forgotten how close the repeal of DADT came to being consigned to the rag bin for at least two years. Two weeks more and the House ratification would have expired and there would have been no way for the new House, controlled by the Republicans, to vote for it again.

    This dangerous situation was caused by Obama pushing the repeal to the back of the legislative bus. There was no way he was going to endanger his health care legislation or financial reform or the stiumulus package by pushing for something as marginal as civil rights for gay soldiers. If he really felt getting the military on board from the start was the way to go then why didn’t he order the survey when he first took office? Why did he wait an entire year?

    Also, Rachel seems very naive. All the repeal does is return us to the status quo before Clinton, when gays were being summarily prevented from serving in the military without the niceties of DADT. True, a roadblock to progress has been removed, but the truck still has to be driven through. And I’m not convinced that Obama and the military have zeal to do it. I have my suspicions that the implementation of gays being allowed to serve openly in the military will be slow-walked by the Defense Department, with the President’s deference, for as long as they can get away with it. My message to the activists who are fighting for the inclusion of gays in the military is to keep fighting in the courts so that Obama and the Pentagon can be kept honest.

    As for the rabid Obama supporters on this thread, just as you think the rest of us feel Obama can do no right, we think Obama supporters feel he can do no wrong. I gave up on Obama being a transcendent President a long time ago. He’s just another self-congratulating, alibi-making politician out for his own legacy. His watered-down health care bill, his toothless financial regulations, his blocking of any prosecution of the Bush administration for its many criminal violations, his retention of many of the Bush policies such as Gitmo, illegal wire taps, rendition and the onerous tax-break for millionaires reveals this President to be anything but a visionary. And his tactless criticism of the progressives in his party who merely wish to hold him his promises shows just how petty and arrogant a bureaucrat he can be.

    As for Rachel Maddow, I hope the elation of the moment rendered her only temporarily light-head and that she will come to her senses and view the “victory” and Obama’s part in it with her usual gimlet-eyed, suspicious view of the realities of the situation.

  67. Tim says

    I really don’t understand the Obama defenders. His strategy is what produced the defeat a week ago when they tried to pass DADT by attaching it to the broader Pentagon bill. It’s like Michael said above,
    “The final push [for ‘repeal’] came from the Hill, where key members of Congress who support ‘repeal’, like Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), the powerful chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, made it clear that they were moving forward with ‘repeal’ legislation with or without the White House’s blessing.” – “Talking Points Memo,” May 26, 2010.
    It’s like others who have pointed out that Obama could have had the repeal happen rapidly and without Gates’ separate approval. And it’s like Vince’s comment right above mine. Obama really deserves little credit for this one.

  68. says

    In response to OnyxEsq, who said:

    “You racist Obama haters will never give Obama credit for anything! You spent the last two years complaining that Obama was not doing enough to advance Gay Rights. Now that Obama is about to sign the repeal of DADT into law, you still refuse to give him credit.

    Prior to the mid-term elections, Obama promised to repeal DADT during the lame duck session of Congress. Guess what? Obama was right.

    You guys are a bunch of evil, nasty, racist haters. Grow up and show some appreciation. If it had not been for your beloved Bill Clinton, there wouldn’t have been a DADT to repeal in the first place.

    I’m sick of the Obama haters on this site. Get on your knees and swallow your pride.”

    I must say that as a black gay man who criticizes the president, please be assured that not all opinions stem from racism.

    Secondly, you brought up Bill Clinton, which reminded me of something. Clinton almost lost his presidency trying to allow gays to serve openly in the military. DADT was a compromise forced on Clinton by Colin Powell, the former joint chiefs chairman. As flawed as it was, DADT changed the question to whether gays could serve openly, not whether they could serve at all.

    If you subscribe to the belief that social change comes slowly, and most Obama supporters do, then you must also concede that Clinton is a victor in all this too.

  69. Randy says

    The headline is right. “DADT” is the president’s victory. DADT is still in effect due to his efforts defending it in court, and will remain in effect indefinitely. To me, the bill is somewhat reminiscent of the 1955 “Brown II” decision by the US Supreme Court.

    I suspect the Pentagon will drag its feet, and once it finally complies, I expect Boehner’s Congress to find some problem with the “certification”.

  70. JimSur212 says

    President Obama deserves much of the credit for the repeal of DADT, but I just want to also recognize Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen. His testimony before Congress was a real turning point on this issue.

    As for DOMA, the votes in Congress are simply not even close to being there for repeal. This will be decided by the courts. Again here, President Obama has done all he can do by appointing two progressive women to the Supreme Court who will likely vote to strike down DOMA and Prop 8. With a likely 5 to 4 decision it will all come down to how Justice Anthony Kennedy will rule. Given that he voted to strike down the sodomy laws, I am optimistic.

  71. Joe L says

    I’m baffled how people can say this is Obama’s victory. He’s made some eloquent speeches- but his ACTIONS have belied his words.

    For the past two years, this was a man who not only said that it wasn’t the President’s role to overturn the policy- that it required an act of Congress- but then as Commander-in-Chief continued to discharge hundreds of gay service men and women and instructed his DOJ to defend DADT in court.

    Congress and a handful of LGBT organizations made it happen in spite of the hurdles Obama had placed in front of them.

  72. major707 says

    Just a thought from someone who spent over 20 years in the military….the President has the right and the responsibility to suspend the discharge of soldiers during war time. I served through several periods where the President suspended discharges because of the conflicts we were fighting. Where was our “fierce advocate” when gays were being discharged while high school dropouts and felons were being recruited because the military needed soldiers?
    We are fighting on two fronts now but gays were/are being discharged on a regular basis.
    I think some of you don’t truly understand what it is like to be discriminated against. You are soft because you have your gay bars and true discrimination is just a word that in reality doesn’t effect your life. The true repeal of DADT will be our government’s acceptance of gays as equal citizens and will pave the way for additional equality such as DOMA.
    This is not an ideal bill but it is a first step but I am concerned that the language allows the military to drag their feet. We need to keep our “fierce advocate” and the Democrats on notice that the fight is not over.

  73. newportjoey says

    NO, Obama did nothing, not even pay lip service to his election promises….He’s destined to be a one term president. Really isn’t any better on this then Bush I, Clniton, Bush II…..it just wasn’t a priority and was shoved through DESPITE the politicians….Rachel should be thanking Will and Grace, Glee, Modern Family, and Queer Eye…

  74. J.P. says

    @Tim… You are right that his Stategy starting with inclusion in the larger bill. The Defense spending bill has passed every congress so it does seem like it was a good strategy. The republicans blocked it. Do you know for sure that the stand-alone bill was not a back up plan? Do you really think he is that stupid not to have a back up plan?

    He promised in the State of the Union to repeal DADT by the end of the year. Guess what, he did it. He has spoken out on it so many times. You and others just choose not to listen. Guess what… teenagers who might not be out yet, may have been listening. I’m sure it meant something to them even though it means nothing to some of you.

    This is the first President to successfully advance any gay-rights issues. Clinton promised that he would, but instead passed DADT and DOMA.

    You people are unreal!

  75. BobN says

    I see the partisan supporters of a party that delivered six whole votes for repeal are criticizing the party which brought 57 votes for repeal. Well. It’s a happy day, so I’ll just be nice and say nothing about that.

    I will, however, single out for particular attention the two GOP senators who switched their votes AFTER the vote. Ensign and Burr should be scorned by both sides in this fight for their hypocrisy and their cowardice.

  76. IndyTown says

    Some of you are some bitter bitches with your granny panties in a bind. So pathetic. You don’t know what it’s like to have a victory, so you keep fighting no matter what. You always need something to fight. Can’t accept a victory. Pa-thetic.

  77. Tim says

    @J.P.: There is no indication the stand-alone bill was Obama’s backup plan. It was an idea Senators came up with after the fact.

    And you’re just muddling issues when you imply this win means nothing to me. It does. But it doesn’t follow that I should give political credit to Obama, who showed very little leadership on this issue.

  78. Ken says

    “If it had not been for your beloved Bill Clinton, there wouldn’t have been a DADT to repeal in the first place.”

    I’m willing to give Obama some credit for the repeal, but please don’t trash my beloved Bill Clinton. We are all so quick to forget that while, grossly insufficient, messy and still unfair, DADT was an improvement over the previous policy. I also wonder if without DADT as an interim step, would we have been able to pas legislation making it ok for gays to serve openly?

  79. rdw says

    To all of President Obama’s critics/haters, you better thank God that, the cranky ass senator from AZ, who’s displaying some form of dementia as of late and that derange woman from Alaska (scary ass thought) didn’t win the Presidency!

    Both McCain & Palin’s erratic behavior or current out of touch with reality at this very moment, should be a constant reminder to us all that, America definitely made the right decision on November 4, 2008.

    Let’s stop with the counterproductive bashing, whining, at President Obama, give him credit where it’s due and get behind him.

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    Ret Vet