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  1. Max says

    It’s predictable and sad that many LGBT voters will rationalize another vote for Obama under the battered-wife theory that it will be different this time, he really loves us, if I just give him another chance, etc.

    How about finding a better Democrat for 2012?

  2. Bryant says

    Obama needs to fire his press staff and image consultants. For the last three years he has come across as unfocused and noncommittal, not the best qualities for a leader to be identified with. If he wants to be elected again he is going to have to start making some major changes in his image, be more specific about his commitments, and more forceful. We need to be able trust him and playing the political “shady car salesman” is not winning anyone over, gay or straight. If he stays on this road… Goodbye Mr. Obama. Your presidential achievements will be nothing but a minor footnote in history.

  3. brian says

    He hardly kept to any of the promises he made in 2008. DADT was repealed, granted, but the only reason for this was that we in the GLBT community kicked up a huge stink.

    Overall, I don’t think Obama is committed to any gay rights legislation in the future.

  4. says

    They’re all the same. Some are more “polite” about their indifference than others.

    Never forget it was Bill Clinton who gave us DOMA.

    Make any vote you cast local. No Republican must be left standing.

    As for POTUS, Obama will coast to a second term without breaking a sweat.

  5. says

    Ultimately, the most important thing Obama will do regarding the LGBT community long term will rest with his court appointments. That alone makes him a better than any serious candidate in the field.

    As for a list of promises, he can issue all he wants. Very little in favor of us will be done with the current makeup in the House.

  6. BC says

    I’m glad to see that people are finally realizing that Obama is no friend to the gay community. The court appointments and DADT are just throwing us bones so we “shut up” for a minute. It’s not like every case that comes before a judge is a gay rights case. And the fact that judges are gay should not matter. Pick the best person for the job.

    Obama had control of the entire congress for 2 years and he did nothing for us. They got all their pet projects done and left us in the dust.

    And remember people, as much as you hate it, 40% of the country (give or take) are conservative compared to less than 30% liberal (again, give or take, depending on the poll, day, etc). Therefore we NEED some conservatives to be on our side. And there are some that are. However, the conservative movement now is very focused on the economy. Not social issues. We can catch more flies with honey. Stop broadcasting your hatred for the right and maybe we can have a civilized conversation with them.

  7. Pete n SFO says

    The support of Obama by gay people & other sexual minorities, for a second term as President… “continues to evolve”

    lol

    But seriously, all politicians want to stay on the down-low with the gays b/c America is still completely homophobic & association w/ us makes a great snippet for political ads aimed at knuckleheads.

  8. jay_max says

    @David Ehrenstein: “Never forget it was Bill Clinton who gave us DOMA.”

    You’re either too young to remember, or too ignorant to correctly recall the facts. Clinton was faced with a Congress hostile to gay rights. It was either DOMA or legislation to enact a Federal constitutional amendment proclaiming marriage to be between a man and a woman. There was no third choice.

    So in that context, Clinton did the right thing by signing DOMA. He hurt us in the short term to protect us in the long-term. It’s much easier to repeal DOMA than a federal constitutional amendment. So…cut him some slack.

  9. says

    “However, the conservative movement now is very focused on the economy. Not social issues.”

    What planet are you living on? Delusionus? Here in the real world the “conservative” moment is focused on setting back any and all gay rights. The economy is what they pretended to be interested in before the 2010 election.

    The 2012 Republican presidential candidate WILL be anti-gay. It is a requirement to get through the Republican primary process. By comparison, Obama will be the pro-gay candidate by a mile. And, given the sad roster of Republicans currently hinting at a run (President Trump/Bachmann/Huckabee/Pawlenty/Palin anyone?), Obama will be reelected without breaking a sweat. In other words, sanity will prevail.

  10. says

    @david ehrenstein said: local (and state) races are more important than ever. While we focused on a President who would be out (cough) fierce advocate (CUE: crickets) Republicans have been subverting us in state legislatures around the country. Wanna graduate high school? Be prepared to memorize Genesis.

  11. says

    Color me unsurprised. Clearly he doesn’t want to give us any more fodder for pointing out his complete failure to be even an advocate for our issues, much less a fierce advocate. “Farce advocate” is more like it.

    If Obama wants my vote next year, he’s going to have to earn it. The old-fashioned way: by delivering on some of the promises he DID make in 2008. So far, his record of achievement is so minuscule, you’d need an electron microscope to read it.

  12. The Realist says

    While all the experts proclaim that anti-gay stances are no long the catalyst they once were 8 years ago, and while poll after poll reflects that, Obama, in his infinite wisdom, runs to the right… Again.

  13. says

    You’re either too young to remember, or too ignorant to correctly recall the facts. Clinton was faced with a Congress hostile to gay rights. It was either DOMA or legislation to enact a Federal constitutional amendment proclaiming marriage to be between a man and a woman. There was no third choice.

    So in that context, Clinton did the right thing by signing DOMA. He hurt us in the short term to protect us in the long-term. It’s much easier to repeal DOMA than a federal constitutional amendment. So…cut him some slack.

    POSTED BY: JAY_MAX | APR 26, 2011 9:53:30 AM

    Miss Jay Max-Wrong Factor…WTF are you talking about?

    Some of you queens will have ANY excuse for Bill Clinton. The bottom line is this. If he was really for us he would have vetoed the bill regardless how rabid the right was. At least we would have known that he tried. He didn’t he signed it and moved on CHILD PLEASE.

    And Hillary is STILL against Gay Marriage. So please ain’t no one trying to eat that dumb rotted plated of shyt you just quoted!

    Bottom line just don’t vote for him and be done with it! Life is going to go on for him and you too!

  14. jaymax says

    @Chris Dachocolatebearcub

    Name calling is so mature. What are you, 15?

    Vetoing DOMA would not have ended it in Congress. We would have then ended up with much harsher legislation. I’m not happy he signed it, but I understand why. What’s sad is that your blind hatred for the Clintons (who are far from perfect) has twisted your view of history. Sad.

  15. says

    No new slate of empty promises? Darn.

    I don’t have time to wait for Obama’s gradual “evolution.” I’m voting for a candidate who’s already sufficiently evolved to recognize my full humanity and full citizenship.

    Unlike Democrats, the Greens have always been committed to our full equality. I’ll probably go there.

    P.S.
    Jay-Max,

    Clinton bragged about signing DOMA. He even ran campaign ads on religious radio stations touting how he’d carried their water on that issue.

    Clinton is a hypocrite and a coward. Spare us the DNC propaganda.

  16. Phil says

    @ BC,

    BC: “I’m glad to see that people are finally realizing that Obama is no friend to the gay community.” [And you’re going to argue that the Republicans are? Obama stopped defending DOMA, and the Republicans are falling all over themselves in their haste to defend it.]

    BC: “The court appointments and DADT are just throwing us bones…” [How can anyone claim that appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court are bones? The Supreme Court will likely decide the fate of marriage equality, and Obama’s picks (Sotomayor and Kagan) are the most pro-equality members on the court. DADT was a bone? That’s not even worth responding to.]

    BC: Therefore we NEED some conservatives to be on our side. And there are some that are.”
    [A couple libertarian-style “conservatives” in the SF Bay area and eastern Massachusetts, and that’s it.]

    BC: “However, the conservative movement now is very focused on the economy. Not social issues.” [This is simply delusional. The Republicans in Congress are gay-baiting every chance they get. Gay-baiting is shaping up to be a major Republican strategy for 2012.]

    BC, you’re so blinded by your hate for Obama that you can’t think logically. Read the above points and think it through again.

  17. Phil says

    @ The Crustybastard,

    Your quote: “Unlike Democrats, the Greens have always been committed to our full equality. I’ll probably go there.”

    I respect your sense of principle, as long as you understand that voting for the Greens in the presidential race is the functional equivalent of not voting.

  18. Phil says

    @ Jaymax,

    Your quote: “What’s sad is that your blind hatred for the Clintons (who are far from perfect) has twisted your view of history. Sad.”

    I agree with you that *Bill* Clinton is often unfairly blamed for the Republican Congress that he had to deal with. But you said, “The Clintons”? Please don’t conflate Bill and Hillary. They are two different people. Obama has said that he hasn’t made up his mind yet on marriage equality. Hillary *has* made up her mind. She’s against it. Unless, of course, you’re automatically drawn to a straight female icon figure, regardless of her views on LGBT rights. That notion is still around among white gay males; it’s disappearing little by little, but it’s still around.

  19. tranquilo says

    Sadly, we it’s a two party system, and we have to choose between Somewhat Indifferent and Crazy Hostile. At least the Somewhat Indifferent party will put much friendlier judges on the Supreme Court, which is probably the most important reason to continue voting for them.

  20. BC says

    I don’t hate Obama. Never have, never will. I, unlike so many of you, am not a hateful person. I disagree with the majority of his positions. I think his passive nature is not good for our country at this time.

    I 100% guarantee you that with the way I present myself and how I go about talking to people on the right (of which I know and work with a lot), I have changed more of their minds than any of you have who scream “Homophobe” at them and the like. That divides us from them. We need to show them that we are equals. We do not do that by name calling or by saying, “Look, a gay Judge!!” NO – the person is a JUDGE who happens to be gay. Just like I am a MAN who happens to be gay. Let’s not define political offices (of which judicial appointments are) by their orientation.

  21. Phil says

    @ BC,

    When I said that the conservative movement was focused on gay-baiting, I meant the elected Republican politicians in Congress, not the grass-roots people that you might be talking about. In no way did I mean to belittle productive discussion with conservatives, and if it came off that way, I apologize. If you are engaging grass-roots conservatives and changing minds, you deserve to feel proud of what you’re doing. The small group of moderate Republican senators was crucial for repealing DADT.

  22. Phil says

    @ BC again,

    What to do when choosing a presidential candidate? Let’s make an educated guess and hypothetically say that Mitt Romney (or someone like him) wins the Republican nomination. He’ll nominate anti-gay judges to the Supreme Court and defend DOMA to the death. I can understand your possibly conservative fiscal/foreign policy views, but an anti-gay Supreme Court and DOMA forever? Isn’t that a little too rich for your blood?

  23. says

    BC: It’s lovely that you’re lobbying your conservative friends, no objections to that (I live in a state with marriage equality, so we know a thing or two about lobbying), but that’s not the subject of this post.

    The conservative candidate for president in 2012 will be anti-gay. If he’s not, he won’t win the Republican primaries. Obama will be pro-gay by comparison. You can vote Republican, but you will be voting anti-gay. (Most of the Republican contenders want to reinstate DADT, for instance. They will defend DOMA with everything they’ve got.) Simply a fact. If you expect any self-respecting gay person to vote conservative in 2012, you have your (impossible) work cut out for you.

    And, BTW, the people who are screaming “look, gay judge!” are Republicans who believe that gay people are unable to rule on marriage because it’s a conflict of interest. Such people define themselves as straight and anti-gay; we don’t have to do it for them.

  24. says

    Most of McCain’s campaign staff was gay. NOne of Obama’s was. obama appointed no gay people to the cabinet, no prominent staffers are gay. . He promised gay people everything to win, gave us nothing in return. He Rules For Radical-ed us. Pretended to be on our side just to get power. When someone does that, you punish them by throwing them out, no question about it. You punish them so the next fool that lies to get our votes knows we mean business. DROP HIM like a dirty condom.

  25. Phil says

    @ Ted,

    Putting Sotomayor and Kagan on the Supreme Court (instead of the Scalia clones that McCain would have appointed) is not nothing. Lobbying the clueless ones in the Pentagon beginning in January of 2009 until they were willing to tell senators that they wouldn’t oppose DADT repeal (which was the STATED REASON for many senators voting for repeal) is not nothing. Giving pro-equality judges a great new tool by no longer defending DOMA (which Obama *didn’t* have to do) is not nothing. You’re persuading anyone with your invective.

  26. says

    “Most of McCain’s campaign staff was gay.”

    Well, Ted, if that’s true, they sure did a lousy job of lobbying their boss. If McCain were president now (as if anyone would elect that old coot president), gay people would not be covered under federal hate crimes laws, gay people would not be allowed to serve openly in the military on his watch, he would defend DOMA until his presidency ended and beyond, he would have appointed right-wing conservatives to the Supreme Court. And the Republicans in the running for 2012 will be as anti-gay as McCain was, or more so, however many closeted GOProud Uncle Toms they may have on their staff.

    BTW, Obama has a number of gay staffers, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

  27. Mark says

    Clinton did not sign DOMA into law to protect us from a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Where’s that theory coming from exactly? It’s true that we would have had a federal ban on gay marriage but probably not with a constitutional amendment because it wasn’t necessary. DOMA was passed in the Senate with 85 votes, way more than the 67 votes needed to override the president’s veto. So if Clinton had vetoed it, the bill would have gone back to Congress where it would have been approved again, thus overriding the President’s veto. DOMA would have become law with or without Clinton’s approval.

    Regardless of this, Clinton should have still refused to sign DOMA into law just for the sake of doing the right thing by standing up for an oppressed minority. But then, that was September of 1996 and he wanted to get re-elected in November. If he had refused to sign DOMA, the GOP would have hit him with ads capitalizing that fact like a ton of bricks, and down the drain would go his re-election. What’s the gay community worth to Clinton compared to his re-election?

  28. Austin Warned U says

    OH LETS ALL VOTE REPUBLICAN.
    To you clinton and obama haters, please take that republican Dick out of your mouth, for a moment and talk some sense, please name me one thing republicans have EVER done for our community. True the Democrats may not of done every thing we want them to, it is because they cant, Now I know many of you are insightful people, and I also know some of you have your head so far up your azz you can only see crap, but if you dont vote democrat, any chance you get, then you are in fact voting for the side that hates us. DO YOU UNDERSTAND, NOT VOTING OR VOTING REPUBLICAN, it is like putting a noose around your neck and asking some one who hates you not to kick the chair out from under you. Some times I get so ashamed of the stupidity I see in the gay community, voting republican, is like a jew voting for hitler. so to those who do vote republican, please shut the F**k up when they pass another law against your rights, you asked for it.

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