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  1. Brad says

    I hate people. those two ‘woman’ should be charged as adults and thrown in jail for a very long time.

  2. mcNnyc says

    Pathetic how the employees…there’s more than one doesn’t step in.
    How brave the one elderly woman is for risking her own safety and stepping in.

  3. Ty says

    This is very sad news, and my heart goes out to the victim … no one should have to suffer this kind of abuse. Everyone deserves respect in this world.

  4. Francis says

    Since I’m pretty sure I know where this conversation will turn, I’m gonna say this before the calamity starts:

    This is an awful tragedy. Senseless, horrific, animalistic. The fact that the McDonald’s employee is defending the act is deplorable. He should be immediately fired. The fact these animals took it into their hands to make an issue with this transgendered female to use the restroom is unacceptable in every single way.

    Do not make this about race. This is not a racial issue. This is a cultural issue that leads to these kids being so ignorant, animalistic and violent. Their skin color is not the reason they are savages. Do not trivialize this awful situation with racist behavior.

  5. Brian in Texas says

    Well I posted before I saw the very end of the video. Maybe she suffered a concussion from one of the hits and was “out of it” and unable to defend herself or react. Sorry.

  6. G.I. Joe says

    Brian in Texas: Had she defended herself, the GIRLS would have sued her for battering and assault, and you can see from the video that NOBODY would have witnessed in her defense. She did the right thing – nothing.

    This video is extremely disturbing. I was almost physically sick watching it. So much hatred, so much violence. People are animals.

  7. says

    I’ll echo what Francis said. Those commenters who choose to race-bait or use this thread for related inappropriate discussion may have their commenting privileges revoked and their comments unpublished.

  8. Geoff says

    How sad!.I just wonder why the Manager didn’t lock the doors when those animals were outside. The employee that filmed it should be fired.

  9. Mel Smith says

    If they attacked the victim because she’s transgendered, the girls deserve prison time. Transgendered people should have the right to use whatever restroom they please.

    The employees who watched the incident should be terminated. Totally disgusting and inappropriate. But, many Americans, REGARDLESS of color, are ignorant about who transgendered people are.

  10. Francis says

    Oh, and I forgot to add, the people who did nothing while this woman was attacked, should all be publicly ID’d. The manager, while trying to help, did not do the job sufficiently. The employees who did nothing to help or goaded the two animals should be fired immediately as well as Mr. Hackett.

    And I’m glad Andy is screening the comments and deleting the inappropriate content, because the comments on the other boards about this issue are so disgusting that it makes you really scratch your head about the world we’re living in. Most of them revolving around race, but of course you have about 10% of the comments completely ignorant about the transgendered issue, calling her a cross-dresser, and saying “he” shouldn’t have been in the bathroom. As from what I’ve seen from the police statements, the woman beaten is legally female, so that statement doesn’t fly, Ratbastard. And in any case, it’s not as if she was going in there to sexually assault these girls. Trans-women aren’t “dudes”. And calling her a he-she is the height of offensiveness. Actually one of the most offense comments I’ve seen of this story.

  11. Vito says

    Does anyone know if she is okay? I hope she sues McDonalds and wins. There is no excuse for the employees just standing there and taping.

  12. mike says

    It’s funny how the guy filming didn’t do anything to help the victim but was probly the most helpful person in this case. Maybe this will spur a change in Maryland’s gender identity bill because that was just brutal. the woman was on the ground and not getting up and a couple of those kicks were just plain for fun. that was pure violence and i wonder how those girls could be so ignorant.

  13. JakeSFExPat says

    @ratbastard:

    I’m a “transgendered dude”. I don’t use the women’s restroom, I’m a guy. Perhaps you are confused about a few things.

    This was a trans woman who was beat up at the McDonalds. Do you have an opinion on which restroom she is supposed to use, or none at all?

  14. ratbastard says

    I was not aware she is legally female or presumably post-op. My bathroom comment regards males dressed as females. I think most people can understand why males dressed as females or pretending to be female [transvestites? I don’t know what the appropriate title/name is] shouldn’t be using ladies room.

    But it would appear people somehow knew she was transgendered, so It’s a little confusing.

  15. Mel Smith says

    Some gays have created a social hierarchy which places them ahead of transgendered people. Guess what? We’re all in the same boat!! Transgendered people are ostracized and gay folks are ostracized too!!

    Who in the hell do you think you are to look down on a transgendered person when we are all in the same category? If you see them in the street, it is correct to refer to them as being transgendered, period.

  16. Mike B. says

    While it’s true that it’s horrible to know that am employee is not physically intervening, it’s also helpful to have proof. You -KNOW- the perpetrators would claim self-defense otherwise.

  17. ratbastard says

    @G.I. JOE,

    Transphobic? I wasn’t aware I used bad or disrespectful language. If any language I used did offend you, please accept my apologies. It was not my intention to deliberately and maliciously target anyone so I could offend them.

  18. Mel Smith says

    Max, Michael Sandy, a gay BLACK man, was gay bashed by WHITE teens in Brooklyn, NYC. Sandy was killed after being hit by a car for attempting to escape his attackers.

  19. says

    Please recognize before jumping and immediately attacking “ratbastard” that this is a huge part of the problem within the LGBT and, in fact, social justice community.

    People simply don’t know the appropriate language to use, because, it can be, for many people, jargon. An elevated language-set specific to people particularly educated or prone to a specific community. Get to the motives behind the language and provide people like ratbastard, and many of our heterosexual/gender-normative allies, with the language, so that they too can feel confident further educating others and defending victims.

    Many within the gay community still need these tools, and while we should take it upon ourselves to educate ourselves about the many diverse communities within the LGBT movement, not all people know where, or how, to do so.

    Stop attacking those of us on the same side over language, when it’s clear the motives are pure. Correct, support, and provide with the tools necessary.

    Nothing infuriated me more during undergrad than the more militant individuals of our community constantly destroying those who accidentally, ignorantly, or inadvertently use inappropriate “language.”

  20. Max says

    Yes, Brian and Mel. There are white thugs too. No one ever said otherwise. But there aren’t any white thugs in this video, so you’re off topic just to be politically correct.

    Transgendered people need to arm themselves.

  21. Mel Smith says

    Max, what about Kevin Schmersal, the WHITE man arrested in Maine for an anti-gay attack? This was posted TWO DAYS AGO!!! Or what about the Lesbian Italian politician story that towleroad posted yesterday about how she and her girlfriend were disrespected by a mob in ITALY. One person said that SHE SHOULD BE SENT TO THE OVEN!!!

    Now, stop making everything a white or black issue. You don’t want black people playing the race card. You should stop playing the race card too!!!

  22. barn says

    soon, these girls name will be released. God help these two animals. i say eye for an eye.

  23. ratbastard says

    @Mel Smith,

    Mel, I would counter [not just to be a contrary troll] that the Maine incident was I’m sure upsetting to the victims, very minor in the scheme of things. The Rome incident was more serious, but neither of them rises to the level of this McDonald’s incident. It was remarkably savage, even more so by the attitude of most of the by-standers.

  24. Mike says

    All of the employees who did nothing deserve to be fired. If it were not for the brave woman who stopped the attackers from dragging her outside, these savages may have stopped at nothing and killed her. Who cares what equipment the person using the restroom has if they are not bothering you. I dont fully agree that this is just a cultural issue. The woman who ultimately stopped the attack was white. The people attacking, filming, laughing and providing verbal encouragment for them fleeing the police were not, just like in the case of the guy in South Carolina being attacked by eight people. It is easier to hate/violate someone who does not look like you, transgendered, racially etc and that too should be addresssed.

  25. Mel Smith says

    Ratbastard, The girls are teenagers in Baltimore, one of the poorest and most crime infested areas in the United States! Most of Baltimore is poverty, drug addicts, and ignorance. All of this ignorance will bring uncivilize behavior. But, don’t race bait.

    Because if I have too, I could visit and present evidence from towleroad.com past archive files!!!

  26. anon says

    You’re not legally required to step in to stop a fight. The courts don’t generally try to settle he-said-he-said disputes about who started a fight, so defend yourself if you need to. Unless someone presses charges there will probably be no citation (depends on the mood of the police though). Unless we know what happened in the restroom it’s hard to say why the fight happened. Also, we don’t know if drugs or alcohol was involved. Videotape is only part of the total evidence chain and a proper investigation needs to take place. Andy is perfectly content with mob justice on this sight as long as it’s racial neutral it seems.

  27. milpert says

    This was indeed an unfortunate incident. Everyone involved deserves their own share of blame and condemnation. However, I resent the propaganda that says we are all the same. I am a proud gay man, and I do not want to change genders, and no, I do not want to destroy all gender separations in sociey – in fact I like them, and they have worked well for many years.

  28. ratbastard says

    @Mel,

    I’m well aware what kind of place Baltimore is; I’ve been there many times. It is a VERY dangerous, VIOLENT crime infested, ‘Poor’ city, with a HUMONGOUS drug addiction and drug trafficking problem.

  29. Francis says

    That may be true, Mike, but then we have to investigate why a person would feel that way, that they have so much anger towards someone for the color of their skin or their gender identity. And it’s not because they’re black. It’s because they have been societally conditioned into ignorant and destructive ways of thinking. Most black people condemn this crime and others like it. That’s why this isn’t a race issue.

    Since the comments are quickly degenerating as expected, I’m going to avoid this thread and send my well wishes to the victim.

  30. Mike B. says

    @ratbastard

    Please don’t respond emotionally. I’m not suggesting anyone videotape their own beating. Straw man, etc.

  31. Phil says

    @ Ratbastard: Which bathroom to use for pre-op (but maybe taking hormones) or post-op is a legitimate topic for discussion, but it might not be relevant to this case. The police interview with the victim indicate that the victim was “walking to the bathroom”. The video doesn’t show the victim leaving the bathroom, which makes it look like she never made it inside the bathroom. If this is true, her attackers had no way of knowing whether she was pre-op or post-op. Vernon Hackett contradicts that on his Facebook page by saying that it started when all three were already inside the bathroom. Hopefully, Hackett wasn’t the only witness.

  32. Phil says

    I don’t want to imply that the transgender had no legal recourse if she actually entered the bathroom. All photo IDs and driver’s licenses include the person’s gender. That should be good enough for any store manager or police officer (which is probably why the police report referred to the victim as female). Even if someone is using a bathroom that is inconsistent with the gender on their photo ID, you respond by complaining to the manager, not physically attacking the person. The attackers need to go to jail in either case.

  33. Matt26 says

    @Francis, well written. I agree.
    Horrible and I hope the victim will get help and one day will be able to contine to live safely.

  34. Randy says

    The staff who just stood around should all be fired. It’s not hard to replace them. A message should be sent that when something like this happens, you stop it. You get in between the victim and the attackers, particularly when they repeatedly leave and come back. That store should be liable for any expenses as a result of this easily-preventable beat-down.

  35. deppy says

    @Ratbastad

    Your comments are indeed HIGHLY transphobic, and even I can see that plain as day as a gay male who knows relatively little about the transgender community.

    I personally am offended by your pronoun usage of “he/she”. Please read GLAAD’s media guide for a decent overview of how they suggest the media writes about the transgender community without being offensive. http://www.glaad.org/Page.aspx?pid=376

  36. Keith says

    You gotta love Yahoo. They excuse censoring this video because it is “shocking and disgusting”. Well what is the Zapruder film of President Kennedy having his head blown off but a shocking and disgusting vidoe and yet the American people have seen that murder replayed over and over and over again.

  37. JOE 2 says

    Milpert,

    “Everyone involved deserves their own share of blame and condemnation”? I see nothing in the video or the text indicating that the victim deserves any blame or condemnation at all. Also, nobody (including “the propaganda”) is saying that you want to change your gender or your sex. We ARE all the same in that we are all human beings despite having different sexes, genders, gender presentations, and sexual orientations. Specifically, what you have in common with transgender individuals is your deviation from the mythical, heterosexist idea that everyone should either be 100% male, male-identified, and attracted only to women or 100% female, female-identified. and attracted only to men. You and a trans person are both sexual minorities, albeit in different ways, and you both face oppression and discrimination as a result.

  38. Cowboy says

    Typical savage behaviour. The staff laughing and filming the violence are just as bad as the two hood rats throwing the punches. These people come from and promote a culture where thuggery is praised, and the civility and the rule of law are ignored.
    Sick and tired of my tax dollars going to feed and educate these mongrels.

  39. missanthrope says

    Please recognize before jumping and immediately attacking “ratbastard” that this is a huge part of the problem within the LGBT and, in fact, social justice community.

    People simply don’t know the appropriate language to use, because, it can be, for many people, jargon. An elevated language-set specific to people particularly educated or prone to a specific community. Get to the motives behind the language and provide people like ratbastard, and many of our heterosexual/gender-normative allies, with the language, so that they too can feel confident further educating others and defending victims.

    Many within the gay community still need these tools, and while we should take it upon ourselves to educate ourselves about the many diverse communities within the LGBT movement, not all people know where, or how, to do so.

    Stop attacking those of us on the same side over language, when it’s clear the motives are pure. Correct, support, and provide with the tools necessary.”

    Nothing infuriated me more during undergrad than the more militant individuals of our community constantly destroying those who accidentally, ignorantly, or inadvertently use inappropriate “language.”

    Quit engaging in apologetics for RatBastard, it isn’t just that Ratbastard isn’t using “appropriate” language. He’s using degrading, insulting and oppressive language that hurts me, a trans woman. Not only did he use insulting language, he disrespected the person’s gender identity by say she didn’t belong in the bathroom.

    Ratbastard’s special pleading that he “didn’t know” what was hurtful language doesn’t matter. I don’t care if he had the best intent ever, he simply didn’t care enough about trans people to figure out what was insulting or not. Which indicates he just doesn’t care enough to be bothered.

    Quite trying to dictate how I feel, or how I react to people who essentially pit in my face and expect some slack when they find out that it’s wrong to spit in people’s faces. It’s not my job to educate Ratbastard how to treat me as a human being.

    If you really cared about social jusitce instead guarding the fragile sensibilities of bigots, you’d understand that. People who think I shouldn’t be able to go into the bathrooms that I have a right to access are not “on my side” and as bad as Pat Robertson in my book.

  40. GAYLY says

    This on-site video is filmed of a fight that takes place with the encouragement and cajoles of the onlookers who, rather than step in or call the police, encourage them to get away before the police come. There is a lot wrong here. It is all worthy of discussion.

    There seems to be a double standard at play here in the general commentary on this site and in general in our culture. If the victim is black and the assailant white, there seems to be no problem calling race into question. In fact, not only is it done, it is course de rigueur. However, when the situation is in the inverse, it is somehow race baiting to ask the same questions?

    @Mel: Talk about stereotyping and excuse making. Would you be as sympathetic if the attackers were white and savagely beating a black woman. If the white attackers were from the meth ravaged, low-income, underprivileged, under-educated backwoods? I bet not. You should question your own views on race instead of auto-correcting those of others.

    @Question: WorldStarHipHop.com almost invariably features videos of whites being beaten by blacks. The tone is almost always condoning of it (if not encouraging). Violence is acceptable here and violence against (insert anti-white pejorative) is doubly so because (insert false logic).

  41. Phil says

    @ Deppy & Missanthrope,

    Thanks, Deppy, for the link to GLAAD’s definition’s about gender identity and gender expression; it coincides with my initial understanding. This is important if anyone ever wants to see the current trans-inclusive ENDA pass. The majority of Republicans have a long history of turning ENDA bills into “bathroom bills”. You don’t have to guess about this; it’s the well-documented Republican Party method of operation. The Republican argument is that the current ENDA bill will create complete chaos in public and corporate bathroom facilities.

    The mission for our side (if we choose to accept it) is to rebut that argument and show that public and corporate bathroom facilities can function in an orderly way with a transgender-inclusive ENDA in place. The GLAAD webpage that you mentioned says that transition “is not a one-step procedure” and involves, among other things, “changing one’s name and/or sex on legal documents” (such as the photo ID that police officers always request when they arrive). This is a counter-argument against the Republican Party claim that the current ENDA would produce chaos.

  42. Phil says

    @ Gayly,

    Your quote: “If the victim is black and the assailant white, there seems to be no problem calling race into question. In fact, not only is it done, it is course de rigueur.”

    I disagree. I don’t think that reasonable people criticize anyone for calling a homophobic incident just plain homophobic, regardless of the race of the victim and attacker. If they did, it would trivialize homophobia, don’t you think? I think that playing the race card (based on whatever personal agenda) really *does* trivialize homophobia. In other words, you shouldn’t do it.

  43. Phil says

    @ Gayly again,

    And if you’ll look at the first page of comments, Andy Towle even asked “pretty please”.

  44. JakeSFExPat says

    @ratbastard

    I do not mean you ill will and I think you are trying to understand the nuances here. Someone who is male-to-female (or female-to-male) transgender/transexual and is not post op is in transition. Sometimes we need to use a public restroom. Sometimes laws and societal mores don’t allow us that convenience, and this episode seems to be an example of that.

    Hang in there and we all can learn things about one another.

  45. Brian in Texas says

    @ Cowboy

    You assume because they are black that they must be on food stamps or other welfare programs?

    Would you refer to a white person as a “mongrel”?

  46. Kyle says

    I find it funny that if they were Christians, or Mormons, or Republicans, we could all blame the behavior on the subset of society they belong to and no one would be here censoring the comments. I can say that with confidence because Mr. Towle himself does it all day, every day, right on this site.

    But god forbid we identify these two clearly upstanding and dignified young ladies by the subset of society they clearly belong to. Because to identify them as such would clearly be to victimize them. How hypocritical and sad are you people that you can’t make the distinction?

  47. Phil says

    @ Max,

    Your quote: “But there aren’t any white thugs in this video, so you’re off topic just to be politically correct.”

    He’s off-topic? Why does the race of the people in this particular anti-transgender crime automatically mean that the topic is your perception of guilt on the part of the African-American population. If we don’t agree with your racial comments, we’re off-topic? Huh?

  48. Phil says

    @ Kyle,

    Bible-believing Christians, Mormons and the vast majority of Republicans define themselves as anti-gay, very loudly and publicly. I don’t think they need you to defend their honor; the folks at Free Republic will do that job very handily. Don’t believe me? Log on to their website. You might be favorably impressed with Free Republic, although, as you pointed out, Andy Towle probably wouldn’t be impressed.

    Unlike subscribing to hate-filled Christian, Mormon and Republican ideology, race is a matter of birth, which doesn’t predetermine your ideas about sex/sexuality. Do you see the difference?

  49. Kyle says

    Yeah, clearly there is no difference here. Two black girls beat up a white woman (man, whatever the correct terminology is) while a bunch of black folks watch and no one does anything until a white woman steps in. Nothing to see here folks, this isn’t racisim!

    I also find it funny that this wasn’t a big deal and didn’t get posted here when it was just a woman being brutally attacked by two evil little hoodrats while a bunch of their compatriots watched. But once it was discovered that it involved a transgender individual… NOW its an outrage.

    Sick and sad that we’re giving these two little future societal drains a free pass because 20 generations ago their granddaddy was a slave.

  50. Mel Smith says

    This message is for everyone:

    If an apology is sincere, move on and accept it because no one is perfect.

    It’s a different story if someone is offering a half as$ apology or apologizing by force.

    Now as a gay person of color, I have the same damn right as you to express myself how I want to, and I don’t care how you think or feel about it! And if you got a problem with that, that’s your f@cking problem, not mine!

    Have a nice evening!!!

  51. Phil says

    I had to sigh at Mel Smith’s frustration. I’m white, and I have a boringly practical question that a few commenters might have an answer for. What would be the preferred method of reversing progress on LGBT rights? Mitt Romney? Sarah Palin? (Oh, look! She’s a straight white female! That gives her “diva icon” status.) How about a write-in campaign for Liza Minnelli? Or maybe a write-in campaign for the ghost of Joan Crawford? That’s right, keep your eye on the prize. LOL

  52. Mel Smith says

    And I’m tired of discussing those hoodrat hoochie girls! We need to move our focus to those in power who try to deny rights to us.

    Everytime you race bait, I’ll remind you that Barack Obama is the most pro-gay president we have ever had. Everytime you race bait, I’ll remind you about Deval Patrick and countless other pro-gay black politicians. Don’t race bait, because those black girls and the people in that McDonalds are an embarassment to me and DECENT black people.

  53. Phil says

    @ Mel Smith:

    Forget the Democratic congressmen who busted their ass for the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act! Forget Obama lobbying the clueless ones in the Pentagon starting in January of 2009 until they were finally willing to tell the Senate that they were on board (which was the STATED REASON why many senators voted for repeal of DADT). Forget giving pro-equality judges a great new tool by pulling the rug out from under DOMA (which Obama really didn’t have to do)! Forget all of that, Mel! Sarah (diva icon) Palin in 2012! If you can’t have that, either have a hissy fit or write in Liza Minnelli! LOL LOL LOL LOL

  54. brian says

    If the two girl thugs were so offended by the transgendered person being in the woman’s toilet, why didn’t they simply notify management?

  55. Phil says

    @ Brian,

    From my post on the previous page: “Even if someone is using a bathroom that is inconsistent with the gender on their photo ID, you respond by complaining to the manager, not physically attacking the person. The attackers need to go to jail in either case.”

    Now how about we try out this scenario in an all-white state like Wyoming? Or even more deadly, Kansas or Oklahoma? Transgenders at least have some self-confidence in Baltimore. In Kansas or Oklahoma, I think they would be too much in fear for their lives to try out this little scene. What do you think?

  56. Mel Smith says

    Phil, If I’m supporting a republican, it’s Fred Karger or someone who supports gay rights.

  57. Phil says

    @ Mel Smith,

    Sorry if my joke about Sarah Palin was annoying, but after all the misguided racism, what’s left?