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  1. Rowan says

    Everyone knew this but then I’m don’t base my news on amerikkka.

    Its a little too late as I think the guy by now has probably lost his mind, soul and everything in between after the conditions he has been left to rot in.

    Another thing, he was woefully naive to trust Assange or car about LGBT rights. If you are going to care about gay rights, do the Dan choi way to serve your own purpose or the Ken Mehlman way.

    Both are loved by the ‘gay community’…you? Bah.

  2. Scott says

    …He’s still a TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY and should be treated as such (regarless of his support worthy causes)….TREASON is TREASON no matter how you spin it.

  3. BABH says

    “may also have played a role in Manning’s alleged act of rebellion.”

    Well, if by “alleged act of rebellion” you mean “alleged treason.”

    [Disclosure: I believe many members of the Bush administration committed much worse war crimes. That’s no excuse for what Manning is said to have done.]

  4. says

    Where are the arrests of the real war criminals ? Where are the tribunals of inquiry into the kidnapping and torture of prisoners ? Why are Woo and Bybee not in prison for subverting the rule of law, the Geneva Conventions and the laws prohibiting inhuman treatment ?
    Why are Woo and Bybee not in the public stocks like the snivelling sycophants that they are ?
    Why is Manning being picked on…….because he is alleged to have revealed the rotten core of illegality of the establishment.

  5. mstrozfckslv says

    scott how so?

    name 1 bit of info he revealed that in any way endangers even 1 hair on 1 american head

    Saudi arabia doesn’t trust Iran? LOL everyone knew that. 1 is sunni and the other shia who have distrusted each other before america ever existed

  6. mstrozfckslv says

    PS

    Hell, Saudi Arabia distrusted Iran when Europeans still thought bathing was the sin of vanity

    That was not a shocker info wise that was revealed in the info he released

  7. says

    Amnesty International gave a large chunk of credit to WikiLeaks for the Arab Spring. So if Manning leaked to them, a huge amount of good is coming out of them. Additionally, NOTHING has been proven. The ONLY evidence is from Adrian Lamo. Look up that character and see if you really want to rely on his word. Clearly this government would have brought WikiLeaks or Manning to trial by now if they had evidence…but they don’t.

  8. BABH says

    “name 1 bit of info that he revealed that endangered 1 hair on 1 american head”

    Immaterial. If Manning leaked information that resulted in physical harm to Americans, that would be grave treason. But it is no less treasonous even if there was no physical harm.

    Diplomacy relies on secrecy. It is literally impossible to negotiate effectively if your opposite number is privy to your internal information. Consider buying a car. Sticker price is $10,000. If the dealer knows that you are willing to spend that much, he is not going to come down. Now consider international nuclear diplomacy.

    It’s not something you f*ck with lightly. Low level operatives like Manning are in no position to decide what should and what should not be kept confidential. He was not elected, has no proper diplomatic training – he’s just a dumb kid in a uniform. He was entrusted with secrets so that he could do his job: doing clerical work necessary to the conduct of American foreign policy. He is accused of betraying that trust.

    You may not agree with American foreign policy any more than I do, but we both have a say in it through the democratic process. Manning is accused of undermining that process and substituting his own judgment for the judgment of our elected officials. In short, “treason” in America is the charge of subverting democracy – about the most serious charge you can imagine, whether or not anyone was physically harmed.

    [And again, the reports of the way he has been treated in detention are worse than the crimes he is alleged to have committed. But that doesn’t diminish the severity of those crimes.]

  9. X says

    If you want to know how to create a traitor, just look at American history toward its gay citizens. Might as well be China cracking down on dissidents.

  10. X says

    Also: I’m no Manning advocate. I think that if he endangered people’s lives, that’s awful. At the same time, how can the government disapprove of his actions and at the same time approve of hurting its own gay citizens?! This plodding pace of giving gay people their rights is just as awful; the fact that so many gay kids have died over the years in this country is just as reprehensible and should be denounced as such.

  11. anon says

    The documentary was quite harsh in its portrayal of Manning at first, then tosses in the line about the Arab Spring being partially the result of the diplomatic cable leaks. Okay… Clearly they could not decide what position to take. Lamo was a bad choice as a confidant, as he was already under a lot of legal pressure at the time they connected. He ratted Manning out tout suite. However, they mentioned his mental health problems, so I’m guessing this is a major impediment to Manning being formally charged. The other issue, which probably will tangle up the eventual charges, is that they don’t want any operational methods released in a trial. They might attempt some sort of secret trial, but they haven’t managed that even for KSM yet. Probably the biggest impact was the going after Qaddafi by the Brits, perhaps to forestall the release of info he has on the deal to release one of the Pam Am bombers from a Scottish prison.

  12. St. Theresa of Avila says

    I’m no Manning sympathizer either. When you are briefed on your top secret clearance, you swear an oath that reminds you that severe criminal prosecution will be the consequence of not following the rules. That being said, I feel sorry for this stupid kid. Firstly, his father should never have encouraged a 5’2 effeminate boy to join the Army as a solution to his youthful intransigence. Secondly, he shouldn’t have gotten a top secret based on his reprimands and issues in basic training. Thirdly if the SCIF had been run correctly, he would never have had the opportunity to steal the data he did. I once had to spend 8 hours writing out my source code by hand because we didn’t have a “classified ready” printer in the SCIF. Someone vetted that all I had written was my code and nothing else. Clearly there was a free wheeling atmosphere at the onsite SCIF in Iraq.

  13. ratbastard says

    Indeed, sounds like there was a lot of carelessness and negligence on the part of responsible authorities, especially in Iraq, but also by those back home who pushed ‘reform’ that greatly increased the number of those with access to sensitive data.

    Bradley also was very naive, especially in trusting Lamo and even Assange. His [young] life is ruined.

    And he is kinda cute.

  14. Bob R says

    I’m a Vietnam vet. I volunteered for military service when many “real” Americans were busy dodging the draft, faking deferments, nursing boils on their butts, using political pull to avoid a combat assignment, shirking their military duty assignments or leaving the country to avoid service.

    That being said, I view Bradley Manning as a hero. He saw wrongs being done in the name of his country and “national security” and blew the whistle. He revealed actual criminal activity and political lies. Meanwhile, he suffers inhumane treatment in prison and a dismal future while actual “alleged” war criminals walk free, make millions on speaking tours and writing books filled with lies and distortions. People who actually did endanger American security by outing covert CIA operatives, real traitors who sent men and women to their deaths on known lies and fabricated “truths” but continue to be looked upon as honorable Americans, probably by some of the very people on this forum who call Manning a traitor.

    I hope history vindicates Bradley Manning and eventually excoriates the real traitors, murderers, war profiteers and criminals whose crimes make Manning’s alleged transgressions pale in comparison. I for one applaud Bradley Manning.

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