NY Archbishop Dolan Warns of Communist Threat from Same-Sex Marriage, Says It Redefines ‘Natural Law’

New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan is panicked that New York lawmakers might allow the state's citizens freedoms they have the right to enjoy.

Dolan Writes Dolan, in a blog post:

Last time I consulted an atlas, it is clear we are living in New York, in the United States of America – not in China or North Korea.  In those countries, government presumes daily to “redefine” rights, relationships, values, and natural law.  There, communiqués from the government can dictate the size of families, who lives and who dies, and what the very definition of “family” and “marriage” means.

But, please, not here!  Our country’s founding principles speak of rights given by God, not invented by government, and certain noble values – life, home, family, marriage, children, faith – that are protected, not re-defined, by a state presuming omnipotence.

Please, not here!  We cherish true freedom, not as the license to do whatever we want, but the liberty to do what we ought; we acknowledge that not every desire, urge, want, or chic cause is automatically a “right.”  And, what about other rights, like that of a child to be raised in a family with a mom and a dad?

Our beliefs should not be viewed as discrimination against homosexual people.  The Church affirms the basic human rights of gay men and women, and the state has rightly changed many laws to offer these men and women hospital visitation rights, bereavement leave, death benefits, insurance benefits, and the like.  This is not about denying rights. It is about upholding a truth about the human condition.  Marriage is not simply a mechanism for delivering benefits:  It is the union of a man and a woman in a loving, permanent, life-giving union to pro-create children.  Please don’t vote to change that.  If you do, you are claiming the power to change what is not into what is, simply because you say so.  This is false, it is wrong, and it defies logic and common sense.

The WSJ writes: "Four lawmakers who voted against gay marriage two years ago, including one Republican, declared on Monday that they would now vote in favor of allowing gays to wed. That means the odds are long for the Roman Catholic Church in its bid to prevent gay marriage from becoming legal in New York. The next few days will be an interesting test of Dolan’s influence. It probably doesn’t help that the archbishop is 3,000 miles away, leading a bishop conference in Seattle."

Catholic Online praises Dolan for "pushing back The Darkess in New York":

Archbishop Timothy Dolan is a heroic servant of the Church and pastor of the faithful of New York. When he was elected to the office of President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops I called it a sign of the Lord's continued guidance of the Church in the United States. I wrote "Truly, God has not forgotten His people in the Church in the United States" 

I also said then – and repeat it now – the United States of America has become mission territory. The Catholic Church in the United States is in need of the "New Evangelization." Archbishop Timothy Dolan is a wonderful instrument of this New Evangelization, a trumpet in the hands of the Lord.

The Catholic Church and the message of authentic freedom and true humanism which she proclaims is the only hope for this age being ravaged by a hungry darkness. With characteristic courage, Archbishop Dolan is defending  Marriage and the family and society founded upon it.

Comments

  1. candideinncc says

    Oh, the irony! The church that brought us the Dark Ages is purportedly “pushing back the darkness” by fighting against the right of gay people to marry in New York. The proponents of the Inquisition are the forces of freedom and — get ready for this — HUMANISM! I about choked.

  2. Wavin' Dave says

    Thanks, Timmy, for your advice BUT…until the day you and The Church become TAXPAYING citizens, you’ll need to have a bit more cred to shoot your mouth off. TAX THE CHURCH – EVERY CHURCH!

  3. Ben says

    Oh, if only they dedicated this much venom and effort towards actual problems in New York, like homelessness, hunger, etc… but I guess those issues doesn’t qualify as The Darkness to them.

  4. Daniel says

    @Ben – I was going to add, has anyone in the Catholic Church every condemned the massive child abuse scandal with anything like the same vigor with which they attack gays? They always talk about their child abuse with measured tones but those gays… aieeeee! it’s the end of the world!

  5. hugo says

    The Catholic Church is an expert on ‘natural law’. Celibacy? Papal infallability? Immaculate conception and Virgin birth? Sainthood? Yep, all VERY natural things…

  6. qjersey says

    How dare the government dictate the size of families, who lives and who dies, and what the very definition of “family” and “marriage” means when that is the job of the Catholic Church.

  7. Landon says

    Here’s what I posted on the Archbishop’s blog:

    “Your 7th paragraph is a wonderful defense of why marriage is so important to the Catholic Church and why it must remain solely between a man and a woman. But the entire country isn’t Catholic. Using your personal beliefs to determine civil law restricts my church from marrying same-sex couples, if it so chooses. That sounds more like the tyranny of China and North Korea. The US was founded on the concept of true religious freedom and therefore Catholic beliefs are not valued more or less than any other denomination or religion. Otherwise divorce would be illegal as well.

    Fortunately, this new law has a strict religious exemption so that the Catholic Church will never be required to marry any couple it deems unworthy. From that standpoint, nothing changes and the Church can still place as high of a value on traditional marriage as it chooses.”

    I tried to be respectful but now my comment says “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” so I’m not holding my breath.

  8. Raven says

    “When he was elected to the office of President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops I called it a sign of the Lord’s continued guidance of the Church in the United States.”

    So other self righteous windbags elect another self righteous windbag and somehow this is the hand of god at work?

  9. brian says

    So…

    because I want to be just as equal as everyone else I’m the “hungry darkness”.
    because I want to commit myself and my life to the man I love I’m the “hungry darkness”.
    because I want to have a safe stable home, free from institutionalized fear, I’m the “hungry darkness”.
    because I point out the inequity of their priorities, I’m the “hungry darkness”.
    because the fear of the homeless won’t fill their coffers like the fear of homosexuals does, I’m the “hungry darkness”.

    Hey, entitled, white, pompous bigot…STFU.

  10. Dan says

    Don’t bother crafting a response, even if it is respectful. Apparently any disagreement with the man is not allowed. Mine has been “awaiting moderation” since yesterday morning. Here is what I wrote:

    While I do respect your opinion, I must disagree. The inability to change and accept an enlightened way of thinking has long been the Achilles’ heel of the Catholic Church. We’ve seen it with the rights of many groups, most notably women. We’ve seen it with the reluctant acceptance of a number of issues that have since been embraced by people of faith. It is my belief that God’s Word is continually being spoken. He didn’t speak thousands of years ago and has since remained silent. He is constantly teaching us new lessons of love and acceptance. He is constantly showing us how incredibly diverse humanity truly is. Nothing but fear and ignorance hold us back from hearing this Word. Even if you disagree with my view on faith, it is important to realize that there is a distinct difference between the rights and responsibilities associated with a civil marriage and the Sacrament of Marriage within the Catholic Church. Your argument, while perhaps valid in a discussion on changing the Sacrament of Marriage within the Church, loses its validity when discussing marriage in the context of the rights and responsibilities granted by the State of New York. God, as you write, has defined the Sacrament of Marriage long ago. However, it is Albany’s duty to define the legal definition of civil marriage today. Wouldn’t we think it preposterous if those of different faiths than our own were denied these rights and responsibilities by the state? If a key definition of marriage is to procreate, should those unable to bear children be excluded from these rights and responsibilities? Should the elderly be excluded? I come at this issue, as you do, not only as a person of faith but also as an American citizen. As a person of faith, I have learned the power of love. As an American citizen, I have learned the importance of equality. This has led me to support marriage equality and I believe a larger number of Catholics than you may suspect would agree with me. If you silence your fear and ignorance and listen to God speaking, you may as well.

  11. Rob says

    This man with his facade of joviality and harmlessness may be one of our most dangerous enemies. Have you seen him on the Today Show? He is skilled at appearing caring and nonthreatening. If I believed in any of those fairy tales I would speculate that he might be the Anti-Christ.

  12. Ted B. (Charging Rhino) says

    Considering the sexual history of some of the previous Archbishops of New York, Rev. Dolan should be the last to criticize.

  13. candideinncc says

    He is just a puppet of the Nazi in the Vatican. Ignore him and he will shrivel into insignificance.

  14. jexer says

    No one should accept definitions of ‘marriage’, ‘true freedom’ or ‘natural law’ from an organization that shelters priests who rape boys.

  15. FlexSF says

    Hahahaha! The Catholic corporation is pathetic. Reap what you sow, your absurd bigots!

  16. Really? says

    @Lindsey: My thought exactly.

    Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins. And the Catholic hagiography portrays the saints as fasting and giving their food to the poor. This over-fed rotund fool has no cred even within his own tradition to criticize others, when his own behavior is so at odds with the values of the institution he claims to represent.

  17. Sane Soul says

    I don’t understand: Why should we listen when he has “chosen” to live an “unnatural celibate lifestyle” in opposition to the true human call of sexuality?

    No? Did I miss something?

    Oh–. Maybe he isn’t celibate.

  18. DAVE says

    @Candide. That’s exactly what I was thinking. I thought the Catholic Church was always AGAINST Humanism; now they say the church proclaims authentic freedom and true humanism….what a joke..

  19. Landon says

    Dan – Surprisingly, both of our comments have been posted. I guess someone just hadn’t gotten to them yet.

  20. The Zohar says

    From Michael Berg:

    “The Greatest Sin of All.

    There are few things worse than people using religion and the Bible as an excuse to denounce, curse or hurt another person. Speaking and acting in this way shows a complete misunderstanding of the purpose of religion, God and the Bible.

    Kabbalah teaches that the purpose of religion as we know it is to enable an individual’s transformation from selfishness & ego to a new nature of sharing & compassion. That’s it. The Bible and all its teachings are only a means to assist this transformation.

    It’s not a coincidence that one of the most famous teachings of Kabbalah come from a student asking his teacher, ‘Teach me the essence of the Bible, while standing on one foot,’ and the teacher answering, ‘love your neighbor as yourself. Everything else is commentary.’

    If in a person’s religious practice, study of the Bible or belief in God, he acts in ways that are not in accordance with this spirit, then he is contradicting its entire purpose. That’s why it’s especially disturbing to hear any so-called religious leaders using the Bible as a tool to hurt others.

    There are many verses in the Bible, that when read literally, can be misunderstood and misdirected. The kabbalistic understanding is that scripture is meant to be deciphered and interpreted, and anyone practicing spirituality based on a literal understanding of it is, according to the Zohar, ‘a fool.’

    Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all.”

  21. jerry says

    God called me last night nd told me he has changed mind and that same sex marriage is fine as far as he is concerned, so Tim Dolan can rest easy now can’t he ?

  22. romeo says

    The Catholic term “natural law” is loaded as hell. It’s their reinterpretation of nature to conform to church dogma. However, all that aside, marriage in America is a civil contract bestowing certain benefits. The religious ceremony is merely secondary to the civil contract. That’s why two atheists can marry just as legally as two Catholics. The religious keep thinking there is value in waging this semantic battle, but, fortunately, most people do not.

  23. JSaw says

    What is really communist is if the GOP-led state senate does not allow it to come to an up or down vote because they are afraid it will pass. Democracy in America means that of the majority of the people or a legislative body wants to vote yes on something they should be able to do so. It does NOT mean that a majority of the GOP needs to agree too.

  24. Wayne says

    If you post on his site that you’re a 12 year old boy looking for an older daddy type, he’ll respond immediately.

  25. walter says

    the church would rather attack gays than take action against their own problems. what would you expect from an organization that would rather watch children go hungry, homeless on the streets than recognize a loving couple right to marry? the church has become useless and self promoting. time to tax them and help do the job they are supposed to.

  26. mike/ says

    Joe McCarthy reincarnated…

    Dolan writes: “Our country’s founding principles speak of rights given by God, not invented by government, and certain noble values – life, home, family, marriage, children, faith – that are protected, not re-defined, by a state presuming omnipotence.”

    but the Preamble to the Constitution says, “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    is there something i’m missing here? it’s clear that “the People” created this not his invisible faerie in the sky…

  27. says

    Wow – Timothy is a liar. Gays DO NOT have the same rights when it come hospital visitations, etc. Also – marriage IS NOT about procreation. That’s what ejaculating into a vagina is for….

  28. jamal49 says

    I think the Archbishop’s got it all wrong. Ya see, Archie, it’s like this. It’s NATURAL for humans to relate to one another sexually whether as an expression of love or just plain old carnal lust.

    See, the way you live, Archie. Now, THAT’s NOT “natural”. Hence, you and the rest of your Church have committed some of the most egregious human rights abuses in history and YOU, Archie, turned a blind eye. You KNEW what was going on, Arch, and you did NOTHING.

    “Natural Law” is the philosophy that you and Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia and John Roberts and Sam Alito use to justify your poisonous bigotry. It’s bogus because Nature’s “laws” cannot be defined. “Natural law” is not concrete. It cannot be legislated. It cannot be decided on by judicial fiat.

    If one can say anything about “Natural Law”, Archie, is that it can be broken. Check it out. Nature does it every day.

    So, your, um, Eminem. STFU.

  29. Richard says

    Isn’t it time for the American people to forcefully, actively take this man and his church to task for their injustice and their attempts to shape legislation in a state in which they pay no tax.

  30. Yuki says

    I raise a single question for him, then.

    He says marriage is about a couple joining to love each other AND procreate.

    So what about the straight couples that are sterile?

  31. Mintylaramie says

    A special class on “Natural Law” for school-age kids starts under my robe in one hour.

  32. Jacob Spence says

    God is bigger than the short-sighted leadership of the Catholic Church…in the mean time , Dolan’s words are the worst PR for any church…he’ll either be remembered for his closed mind or get caught with a choir boy some day.

  33. SeriouslySick says

    “The Catholic Church and the message of authentic freedom and true humanism which she proclaims is the only hope for this age being ravaged by a hungry darkness”

    Awesome, your grace! Seems you’ve finally found a use for that pesky liberation theology! Can we liberate the church from the pedos now, like we’re doing in the parish families with their LGBT brothers and sisters? Jesus really DOESN’T want me for a sunbeam, after all. And to think I thought that was a smart ass Catholic school playground song all this time!

  34. wayne says

    YUP…Christian Churches supported laws banning mixed race marriage, claiming it was “un-natural” and defied God’s will and re-defined marriage. Guess bigots need stuff crammed down their throats!

  35. Billy Wingo says

    http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/01/milwaukee-archdiocese-files-for-bankruptcy.php

    Dolan came from Milwaukee. His former Diosceses was filled with hidden molestation.

    And from the Philadelphia grand Jury report – read the following link………..
    http://www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/images/Grand_Jury_Report.pdf

    this is link to Philadelphia grand jury report on catholic church abuse

    it is utterly horrible what happened to the kids, and how the church molested them, hid the molestaion, hid the guilty priests, and the kids suffered and suffered. Some even ended up in mental wards.

    Dolan and much of the heirarchy are murderers of childrens minds.

    while they prattle about protecting life – their smokescreen to hide their crimes.