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Fred Karger's Campaign Site Was Shut Down Because It Criticized LDS Church

MormonTempleSo claimed Mr. Karger, the gay Republican candidate for the presidency, in an email to supporters on Friday. From the letter:

Terra Eclipse based in Aptos, California ... developed and designed my web site 21 months ago and had hosted it ever since. I spent tens of thousands of dollars with this company which specializes in Republican campaign web sites. So you can imagine my shock, when just two days before Christmas, Terra Eclipse sent me a terse email saying that it was dropping me in two weeks - just five days before the all-important New Hampshire Primary. What? Why?

Karger's pretty sure he knows why. In his email, he explains his various scrapes with the LDS Church over the years -- his prosecution of their secretive and illegal support of Prop 8; his launch of the website Top10CraziestMormonBeliefs.com -- and whips out this letter, from Terra Eclipse:

While your campaign has every right to express views using tactics of your own choosing, our company also has the right to freely associate with our clients. In light of these actions, which not only appear to be completely irrelevant to a campaign for President of the United States, but also constitute an insult to and mockery of individuals of particular faiths, we are exercising our right to terminate your NetBoots account and disassociate with your campaign, as reserved in our Terms of Service (attached).

I invite you to contact our attorneys should you wish to pursue the matter further.

I wonder if Terra Eclipse would have been equally scandalized if another of their Republican clients used their servers to "insult" and "mock" LGBTs.

Anyway: In his email, Mr. Karger says he might just contact Terra Eclipse's attorneys, and he probably isn't bluffing -- Karger's always got a lawyer on speed-dial. In the meantime, he says he wants "the world to know" about Terra Eclipse's censorship, and he intends to spread the word among California Republicans as they gather for their semi-annual conclave in San Francisco this weekend.

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  1. Republicans are gathering in SF this weekend? Maybe it's time to go out of town.

    I sort of feel for Krager. But really, I don't. Gay Republican? F yourself.

    Oh wait, you're already doing that.

    Posted by: Paul R | Feb 25, 2012 9:53:55 AM


  2. So all those websites that claim Obama isn't Christian...yeah, they're still up. Just checking.

    Posted by: JT | Feb 25, 2012 10:23:29 AM


  3. @Paul R - normally I would agree with you about the Uncle Tom-ism of gay Republicans (GoProuders, esp.) but Karger actually seems to be openly And proudly gay and openly for gay civil rights progress, and is working this though the party lines. He's probably looked at as a joke by most other Republicans, but by some other moderates in the party, he may actually be changing a few minds towards progressive politics. I give him full props for exposing the hate and bigotry in his own party. He's fighting a tough fight instead of preaching to the choir. Good for him.

    Posted by: Graphicjack | Feb 25, 2012 10:30:48 AM


  4. What is Fred Krager's point in running for this nomination? Outside of the gay community does anyone even know he exists? Is he on anyone's radar but ours? Does any web site even write about him other than this one?

    I like him but I just don't get his point. Beyond the obvious why would any gay man want anything to do with a political party that at best tolerates him as a second class citizen/step n fetchit and at worse has too many members that would want him dead, what is Fred trying to do with this campaign?

    I just don't get it. Explain please.

    Posted by: Bart | Feb 25, 2012 10:31:04 AM


  5. A thought - I'm Canadian and I can't keep up with the state by state differences of law (seriously, the US gives WAY too much power to state goverents) but wouldn't California have laws against businesses refusing service based solely on discrimination, such as homophobia? Maybe they don't, but if they do, this company could totally get their pants sued off.

    Posted by: Graphicjack | Feb 25, 2012 10:35:19 AM


  6. There are anti-discrimination laws (see the Unruh Act in CA), but they never cover political opinions

    Posted by: Steve | Feb 25, 2012 11:02:48 AM


  7. I don't see how this has anything to do with his political opinions, it seems related to his make-fun-of-the-Mormons website. Internet freedom is a tricky thing -- should a webhosting company be required to host any website who wants to purchase space from them, no matter the content of the site? What if it were a virulently homophobic site, are we saying that the hosting company should not have the right to refuse to host hate?

    Posted by: Squirt | Feb 25, 2012 11:25:03 AM


  8. Karger was naïve to do business with an outfit "which specializes in Republican campaign web sites". DUH!

    Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen | Feb 25, 2012 11:29:34 AM


  9. "fred Karger lights stove, touches it, and is SHOCKED to find it burns his fingers"

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Feb 25, 2012 12:27:06 PM


  10. "I wonder if Terra Eclipse would have been equally scandalized if another of their Republican clients used their servers to "insult" and "mock" LGBTs."

    There are no "LGBTs". I think you mean "gays".

    Posted by: Jose | Feb 25, 2012 3:47:30 PM


  11. Jose: I mean lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transfolk. Would you prefer I write it out? - BKT

    Posted by: Brandon K. Thorp | Feb 25, 2012 3:58:06 PM


  12. what i love most about Karger is that his mere existence exposes the cowardice of Gay Republican groups like GOProud.

    they don't support Karger. Why? He addresses issues of LGBT Equality - gay republican groups don't do that. they ignore them. they pretend they dont' exist. Karger, amazingly, is "too gay" for GOProud.

    and "too gay", by their definition, is to be gay and not spending your every waking hour apologizing for it.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Feb 25, 2012 4:02:49 PM


  13. Karger could sue the web company for doing this if he can prove that they discriminated against him because he is gay or because of his own religious beliefs. They are running a business, which in California must by law be open to anyone regardless of their sexual orientation or religion. It's probably a stretch though because it looks like they booted him because of his comments, not because of his sexual orientation or his religion (or non-religion).

    Posted by: Q | Feb 25, 2012 4:06:21 PM


  14. Karger’s biggest mistake was to fall for the salesperson’s claim of selling “Republican campaign web sites.” That’s like believing a salesman who claims to be selling bulbs, lamps, or electricity that are uniquely “Republican.” Bulb filaments, lighting appliances, and utility companies have no partisan characteristics. Just as there’s no such thing as a low-calorie pencil, a fortune-telling necktie, or a singing coffee (because none of those three items can deliver those characteristics), so too, there’s no such thing as “Republican” Web service.

    Internet service, Web hosting, and site management are all agnostic activities, and independent of political parties. The moment such a sales pitch starts, that’s instant confirmation that the vendor is selling either an empty lie, or else an underhanded scam, or both.

    If Karger’s contract didn’t say, “service can be terminated if customer mocks a religion,” then he can sue for unfair and deceptive business practices.

    Posted by: Ned Flaherty | Feb 25, 2012 5:53:54 PM


  15. Hey, Fred!

    There is a mormon stake in Aptos -- you might have figured this out before you hired these jerks.
    Must be hard to find repugnican organizations that let queers point out the treachery of morholes.

    Posted by: Bob | Feb 25, 2012 6:55:28 PM


  16. he's baaaccccckkkk http://www.fredkarger.com/

    Posted by: OccupyEquality | Feb 25, 2012 9:36:42 PM


  17. "LGBT" is an inclusive term used in our community. It seems though that you're not included if you are a Republican LGBT person. It's not cool for Fred Krager to denigrate a religion's beliefs and call them crazy. What does their preference in underwear have to do with anything? There is religious freedom in this country. Attack the Mormon church's support political support of Prop 8, and it's shading dealings in that whole situation. What I'm getting at is the way to deal with bigotry is not with bigotry.

    Posted by: Bri | Feb 25, 2012 10:40:27 PM


  18. It's not mockery or insulting if it's true.

    Posted by: chris255 | Feb 26, 2012 5:46:28 AM


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