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Road Dame Judi Dench battles enroaching blindness:

She confessed: “I can’t read scripts any more because of the trouble with my eyes.

"And so somebody comes in and reads them to me, like telling me a story.

"It’s usually my daughter or my agent or a friend and actually I like that, because I sit there and imagine the story in my mind."

... "The most distressing thing is in a restaurant in the evening I can’t see the person I’m having dinner with.

“Actually, what I miss are people corpsing on stage.

"I know there might be something going on but sometimes I can’t see it and that infuriates me as I think I’m really missing out on something.”

Road A second man has been arrested for the beating of Brandon White:

MoragneDorian Moragne turned himself in to Atlanta police custody late Friday afternoon with his attorney close by. According to police, he will be charged with robbery and aggravated assault.

... Moragne, 19, is one of three men police have been seeking in the beating of Brandon White, since video footage of the Feb. 4 incident appeared on the internet.

His surrender makes him the second suspect in police custody. Christopher Cain, 19, was arrested on Feb. 11. Cain, who was being held in the Fulton County jail, is charged with aggravated assault, participation in a criminal street gang, robbery by force and burglary.

Police are still seeking a third man who has not been identified.

Road At Slate, Dear Prudence dispenses good, sane advice to incestuous gay brothers, and good, strong ammunition to slipperyslopers.

Road On Hail Mary candidates and Mitt's impending Michigan disaster.

Road On Frank Vandersloot, the skeezy billionaire and Mormon extremist who's one of Mitt Romney's biggest backers:

Anyone who is the national finance co-chair of Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign deserves probing, substantial scrutiny. That’s equally true of someone who continues to use their vast wealth to influence the outcome of our elections and our most inflammatory political debates. And it’s certainly true of someone who has made it a regular practice of threatening journalists, bloggers and activists who shine light on his political and business practices.

Road If you've ever wondered about exploding pits of pig poop, read this.

Road "Without Betty Dodson, America would be a lot less good at masturbating." Not that she thinks we're very good at it anyway.

Road It's time to clean up our space junk.

Road Dlisted covered Whitney's funeral:

We're coming up on hour three of Whitney Houston's "Going Home" memorial and I don't know how my eyelids are still able to open after sitting through Kevin Costner talking for 35 million minutes about himself, himself, himself, himself, Jesus, himself, himself and how he himself put Whitney in The Bodyguard when nobody else wanted her in it. Oh, and he talked about himself and how Whitney is auditioning before God now (or something like that). The dozens of people taking a nap with their eyes open should've been the choir's cue to sing Kevin off the stage, because DAMN. Dances with Woofs was shorter than Kevin's speech.

Road Someone somewhere will find a way to blame this on the gays. From the Times:

After steadily rising for five decades, the share of children born to unmarried women has crossed a threshold: more than half of births to American women under 30 occur outside marriage.

... Among mothers of all ages, a majority — 59 percent in 2009 — are married when they have children. But the surge of births outside marriage among younger women — nearly two-thirds of children in the United States are born to mothers under 30 — is both a symbol of the transforming family and a hint of coming generational change.

One group still largely resists the trend: college graduates, who overwhelmingly marry before having children. That is turning family structure into a new class divide, with the economic and social rewards of marriage increasingly reserved for people with the most education.

“Marriage has become a luxury good,” said Frank Furstenberg, a sociologist at the University of Pennsylvania.

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  1. Wow, obviously none of you have watched the Brazilian movie;
    "Ao Comeco do sec"......"From Beginning To End".....which is about this very subject and a good movie.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Feb 19, 2012 1:50:47 PM

  2. Finkles2000: I'm not going to berate you. I appreciate you posting your thoughts and desire for a respectful conversation. I have a different opinion however. I'm of the opinion that drawing lines about just about any subject tends to obscure some of the nuances of each case. I'm personally not against incestuous relationships simply because they are relationships between related people. I think each case needs to be understood for all its complexity. For example, I do think that one could make an argument that a relationship between a father/daughter or mother/son is much different than a relationship between two brothers because the age difference introduces the possibility of a power differential that should be considered (but as I said, for me, this is not necessarily a place to draw a line without knowing more). For two brothers, it seems the chances of coercion are much less than for a relationship where age may play a role. And I personally don't have a sense of morals being transgressed. I find it fascinating and want to know more, but for me, I just don't understand the point of being "against" a relationship like this. It just doesn't affect me and I think it's a hard case to show how it really affects anyone else in a serious way, so I say good for them:)

    Posted by: aaron | Feb 19, 2012 1:52:26 PM

  3. incest is not an orientation, however.

    nobody is exclusively attracted to family members at the exclusion of all others.

    just a distinction.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Feb 19, 2012 1:59:03 PM

  4. Annnnnd I'm sucked back in. Thank you, Sonneillon, for not insulting me, and rather opening up the discussion. Here's the way I look at it:

    In the gay marriage fight, we're fighting for equal rights. Not special rights, EQUAL rights. Two consenting, unrelated, opposite-sex adults can get legally married. That's exactly what we want -- Two consenting, unrelated same-sex adults can get legally married. We don't want special treatment under the law, just what is equal.

    So, if I argue that a mother/son, father/daughter, brother/sister shouldn't enter into an incestuous relationship, but it's fine for two brothers to do so, I'm advocating not for equal rights, but for special rights.

    Anti-gay marriage people use the argument that gay people shouldn't get married because they cannot produce children. (Which is, to be sure, a lame excuse.) But I cannot ethically use that same-yet-opposite argument to grant two brothers or sisters the rights to incest, while decrying the incest of others. E.g. (i.e.?): Because there is no chance or risk of pregnancy, incest is fine between two same-sex relatives; but since there is a possibility of a pregnancy between two opposite-sex relatives, incest is wrong in that case.

    It's the same(ish) argument that anti-gay marriage advocates are using. Again, I think it's wrong across the board, and I have a hard time wrapping my head around why it's okay for some relatives but not okay for others.

    Oy. I've got to go and get on with my day already! Again, Sonneillon, thank you for not insulting me.

    Posted by: finkles2000 | Feb 19, 2012 2:02:36 PM

  5. I watched Mr. Costner's eulogy at Ms. Houston's funeral services and did not find his speech boring at all. In fact, considering many of the topics he touched upon in his memories of having worked with Ms. Houston, it was quite a moving and honest memorial. His was also the only one that moved me to tears.

    Dame Judy, I can relate. I am now in the preliminary stages of macular degeneration and it is frustrating and depressing. I am someone who loves books and writing and as it becomes more difficult to be able to see clearly enough to read without constantly trying to refocus my eyes, I find myself getting more and more depressed and discouraged. I feel like I am living the role that Burgess Meredith played in a Twilight Zone episode that as I approach retirement, surrounded by all of my books, I will ironically not be able to read a goddamned one of them!

    As for the fraternal twin brothers who are lovers and life-companions, there are two thoughts: the first is that their love is beautiful and soul-deep and as a believer in reincarnation, I sense they are together because it is their karmic destiny; and the second is now I won't feel so guilty as I avidly read the sometimes excellent and highly-erotic Wincest fanfics.

    Posted by: jamal49 | Feb 19, 2012 2:17:23 PM

  6. I just hope that celebrity funerals on TV doesn't become a trend. I saw part of it since a friend insisted on seeing it but the overblown religiosity and speeches by the homophobes like Rev Wayans and "ex-gay" Donnie McClurkin quickly soured me on the whole event. Whitney's fans are grieving. Fine. But that was nothing but grief-porn and a chance for people to get their face on TV for their own star turn. I'm surprised they weren't using Whitney's casket as a place to display CDs.

    And why were they so insistent that no one make photos and recordings, considering the whole spectacle was being broadcast? Did they sell the rights to Whitney's Funeral™?

    The only advantage I see to broadcasting celebrity funerals is that reality TV "stars" like Kim Kardashian out-do everyone else by rushing to participate in wakes of their very own.

    Posted by: Caliban | Feb 19, 2012 2:37:25 PM

  7. Paul R. 'Corpsing' is an English actors' term for breaking up on stage. The English like to try to make each other laugh during the show. I detested it when I worked there.

    Posted by: jake | Feb 19, 2012 3:14:51 PM

  8. If two people are together in a consensual relationship and are not hurting anybody else-in this case they can't even procreate- I am all for it then...
    As somebody who has fallen in love with the "wrong" person -wrong by society's standards that is- I can understand their case...as long as they don't involve others into their relationship of course...

    Posted by: george F | Feb 19, 2012 4:14:11 PM

  9. "something happened to them when growing up that required them to be THAT dependent on each other and closed off from the outside realm of love"

    I think what happened is what the story says. They started fooling around and knew they had to keep their secret. The secret was, I suspect, mostly that they liked sex with boys, not that they liked sex with each other only. Experimentation and sexual contact between siblings and cousins, consensual and not, is more common than people realize. It rarely leads to life-long love.

    Had these boys grown up in a world where desiring another boy wasn't such a big deal, they both probably would have moved on to boyfriends long before childhood was over. I'm not saying we can be certain of that, of course, but it seems likely.

    Posted by: BobN | Feb 19, 2012 4:30:26 PM

  10. The twins didn't say they wanted to get married. They said because marriage equality exists in their state the family wants them to be in a relationship. So I guess being gay isn't a protection from that kind of pressure anymore. Ah, unexpected consequences. Really kind of funny.

    Posted by: Joey | Feb 19, 2012 5:33:09 PM

  11. I agree with you Patrick Lehman,when it comes to Kevin Costner's looks. He's still pretty sexy. I would do him!! :-)

    Posted by: Mark F. | Feb 20, 2012 6:11:48 PM

  12. BOBN, i think you're actually right on the money with that.

    think soberly about the human experience and the factors of sociological pressure, expectation, the fears they come with and the crutches and escapes people use or discover to deal with them.

    many different types of people, in varying stages of their lives, confuse *love* with many other things: protection, concern, codependence, and many other insecurities related to infatuations and obsessions.

    did anyone see that show "my strange addiction" where the guy has a romantic and (apparently) sexual relationship with his car? with his car that he named "Chase", and refers to with male pronouns? he said he'd tried relationships with girls and just didnt' feel anything, and his relationship with Chase is more satisfying. we as a species are capable of a lot of projection as a defense and/or security mechanism when we don't want to deal with something.

    sorry to be Mister Miseryguts who isnt' all gung-ho about two brothers involved in an incestuous relationship. incest is not an orientation. there's no doubt in my mind that this isn't some case of "oh well, if it feels good do it and don't care what other people think" and much more a case of actually plumbing the legit psychological depths of what has led two men to continue on with something than began when they were younger.

    although frankly i don't believe the story. and frankly it looks like some people are desperate for it to be true to provide them with some spanking material, which i'm pretty darn convinced was the author's intention.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Feb 20, 2012 6:32:58 PM

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