Maggie Gallagher Explains Why She Goes After Gay Marriage and Not Adulterers and Divorcees: VIDEO
Why do those defending the sanctity of marriage target a small segment of the threat and ignore adulterers and divorcee?
Watch Maggie Gallagher offer her explanation, AFTER THE JUMP...
(via andrew sullivan)
I have to say that's about the weirdest argument I've ever heard, although the one about banning same sex marriage to defend the caucasian race comes pretty close. If gay marriage passes straight men will quickly discover their inner gayness and women will be left by themselves? ???
Take heart Mary, if it's that easy, then you and these other hypothetical women can always become a lesbian, that way they won't be so alone. And there's always surrogacy and test tube babies to keep the species going. See, problem solved.
Posted by: sara | May 8, 2012 12:45:20 AM
When dogs can be expected to possess opposable thumbs - the rate at which MARY is evolving...
Posted by: TJ | May 8, 2012 12:52:04 AM
@ PJ:
Yes, you may use the bus, but sit in the back, OK? Us straight people knows what's best for you and everyone and all the people ever and ever.
/sarcasm
*sigh*
Why is it that the fight for equality always have to jump through the same hoops?
Posted by: Tanoka | May 8, 2012 12:53:06 AM
How about trying something original like this:
"I'm hoping that in the years to come, when gay marriage becomes legal and we see that it doesn't cause society any harm, that those who once opposed it will admit their error. Many of these people are not anti-gay, just mistaken in their views. Some will actually be happy to be proved wrong."
TJ, you're just against me because I don't fit yout image of a hate-filled bigot. My views ARE evolving. That's why I'm on Towleroad. And several days ago I made a donation to the Ali Forney Center for homeless gay youth. Anyone could see that I'm trying to be as pro-gay as possible without doing what I consider harmful to society. Why don't you try being nice?
Posted by: mary | May 8, 2012 12:56:17 AM
TANOKA - Sit in the back and BE NICE because I don't like it when you call me on my utter lack of empathy and only being able to see things through my fear-colored glasses, because my fears, and not the injustices gay people suffer, are paramount. It's all about me and my fear that without laws, no man would want me.
Hugs and kisses,
MARY
Posted by: TJ | May 8, 2012 1:10:01 AM
@ Mary:
This has turned into an 'everyone against Mary' thread, but let me put it this way:
Do you accept to be told by others that you can't marry the one you love?
Do you accept not having the same rights in terms of health care, insurance, tax, etc as everyone else?
Do you accept that people of another religion than yours get to impose their religious laws onto your life?
Do you accept being an outcast because people think you sexuality is icky?
This is what you're asking of the gay community, Mary. You may be evolving, but perhaps you could ease up on the brakes?
Posted by: Tanoka | May 8, 2012 1:23:27 AM
@Mary
Same sex marriage has been legal in the province of Ontario since 2001, the rest of Canada since 2005. The Netherlands since 2001, Spain 2005, Belgium since 2003 and many others since. How many years should we study it? Until YOU feel comfortable with it, until ALL religious folk are comfortable with it? Come on!
Posted by: PJ | May 8, 2012 1:25:28 AM
Mary,
I would add two questions to Tanoka's list:
1 - (I can't believe no one has asked this yet) When did YOU decide to be heterosexual?
2 - What do you think the affect lesbian marriages have on the pool of available men?
It seems you're focused merely on sex, when it's about love and commitment.
Posted by: Acronym Jim | May 8, 2012 1:35:14 AM
And MARY, the reason I don't like you (and TANOKA, just so you know, there is a history here, and "against MARY" wasn't always the case) is that you are the WORST kind of bigot - one who really doesn't see how evil she is.
Posted by: TJ | May 8, 2012 1:36:54 AM
:) @ TJ.
Posted by: Tanoka | May 8, 2012 1:49:30 AM
Again free advertising for the Fat Ugly Cow who's insanely envious of Gay men because she's never had even one real date.
Posted by: darkmoonman | May 8, 2012 1:51:49 AM
I think Mary must be moist for the first time in a long time, by all the attention she is getting. You gooooooooooo girl. Turn down your vibrator Mary.
Posted by: andrew | May 8, 2012 1:53:47 AM
Correction to my previous post:
2 - What do you think the affect lesbian marriages have on the pool of available women?
Posted by: Acronym Jim | May 8, 2012 1:57:49 AM
@Mary
It seems to me your argument flows logically with the help of some premises I find questionable. But I don't see how to convince you they are questionable. I have to think on this some. As it is, I haven't known you for long so I don't know if you have been evolving up to this point, but with this set of premises I don't see how you can evolve any further.
I will think about it and offer what I can if it is appropriate on some other thread. good luck on that.
Posted by: NullNaught | May 8, 2012 2:05:57 AM
First let me say that the comments here are far more interesting than anything Ms Gallagher had to say. And, Mary I also have to say that I can appreciate your attempt to engage in a conversation that is likely to be hostile to your views and attempt to do it with reason and civility. There's a problem with your premise though, and that is that once marriage is legalized for all, that there will be a groundswell of people choosing to lead a gay lifestyle and forsaking heterosexuality due to the lack of traditional social restraint. This is an argument that can only be postulated by someone who doesn't understand what it is to be gay. How one behaves as a homosexual is just as much of a choice as how one behaves as a heterosexual, but there is something that is deeper and more fundamental about being gay that goes beyond a "lifestyle" or mere behavior. Its the same for straight people. Curiosity isn't gay, same-sex behavior in a prison isn't gay, because neither have anything to do with being.
For years I avoided the "community", the "lifestyle", and any physical connection that I perceived as making me gay. I was appointed to the leadership of an ex-gay group because they felt that because I was under such self-control that I didn't even fit their definition of gay. But I knew, that regardless of how virtuous my behavior in their eyes, I was in fact gay, and that there was something in my core that made it so, regardless of whether I acted on any of it or not.
So you're right in thinking that there are traitors in your midst. There are men and women living the lie that they are straight. Some are married, some are parents, some will come out if marriage is legalized and some will not. They are betraying themselves more than anyone, because like me, regardless of their behavior, they know who they are.
The day I embraced and gave voice to the truth of who I was, I learned the fullness of the scripture: "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". On this day I realized that it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about me, my behavior, or my relationship to God, because I have been honest about who I am with every fiber of my being. Whether marriage is legalized or not won't change that for me or anyone else with the courage to truly know themselves. What will change if marriage is legally enlarged to include gays and lesbians is nothing but that the laws regarding, wills, medical decisions, taxation, etc. will be including the people, who in the context of the relationship to one another that many of them already have, should be included. Sadly society moves slowly enough that even though something is legalized the social constraint against it will still exist. Just ask a straight mixed-race couple living in the South.
One can be calm, reasoned, and on the face even loving, and still postulate a view that is heinous and vile. My grandfather used to do it when he spouted his views on eugenics, and would conclude that because Hitler had taken it "too far" that the world would remain skeptical. My fervent hope is that someday Christians in the wealthiest nation on the earth will spend as much time and money ministering to the poor (which is a larger topic Biblically than homosexuality) as they are wasting their resources on working against gay marriage. I can only imagine what the millions of dollars spent to pass Prop 8 in California could have accomplished if those dollars had gone directly to the children that foes of same-sex marriage claim so loudly to be trying to protect. Its a question of priorities.
I apologize if this feels like too much of a diatribe, but after hearing arguments for years spouted by people who if they're not gay - don't really know what they're talking about. Especially when they come from people like Ms Gallagher who in her own life doesn't follow the example she so vociferously claims to support. It just makes me sad.
Gay marriage will not destroy the family, or a heterosexual couple's marriage, or kill God. And, its time for people of faith to let fear go and believe that.
Posted by: Jeffery | May 8, 2012 2:18:34 AM
JEFFERY: That was beautiful. But be forewarned; it is at this point MARY will ask for studies and proof. Because the appeal to emotion and humanity is a one-way street with MARY. Understand and validate her feelings. Yours are ultimately irrelevant.
Posted by: TJ | May 8, 2012 2:43:10 AM
@mary
So even if your argument were true, that given the legalisation of gay-marriage, more people would suddenly turn gay and forget how babies are being made (and I'm not saying it is) answer me this: THERE ARE 7 BILLION PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH ALREADY. How would making a few less babies be a bad thing?
Posted by: behline | May 8, 2012 2:55:47 AM
I have to give credit to Mary. I thought I've heard all the loony arguments against marriage equality, but the "STRAIGHT WOMEN WILL RUN OUT OF HUSBANDS!" panic is definitely new. Not based on any empirical fact, not even theoretically plausible, and just plain idiotic, but definitely new.
Posted by: Winston | May 8, 2012 4:06:52 AM
On a different track, what the hell is on the heifer's chin? Is it crappy video, a beard, or did she lay in a tar pit?
Posted by: Paul R | May 8, 2012 4:11:13 AM
People! 'Mary' is a troll. The quicker everyone learns to ignore it, the quicker it will leave towleroad and go harass people at some other site.
Posted by: peterparker | May 8, 2012 4:22:28 AM
Could it be that Mary is the Chairwoman of some secret underground prostitutes association?
Posted by: Oliver | May 8, 2012 4:44:56 AM
Mary's last-word-itis is flairing up again. Poor girl.
Posted by: Angela Channing | May 8, 2012 7:12:58 AM
Mary the Right Wing Troll hasn't been around for awhile, can't say as I have missed her either
Posted by: NwYrkr | May 8, 2012 8:19:18 AM
@TJ
how come Mary gets the pearl necklace and kitchen duty? I kinda like that whole idea. I know white kitchens are blase now, but if I can have one like Sandra Lee's I'd like to exercise that option.
You can come visit me I'll make you some cocktails.
Posted by: rin | May 8, 2012 8:24:34 AM
ssm IS different than osm, maybe even better :)
Posted by: t | May 8, 2012 8:33:26 AM