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  1. Ethan says

    Not bad! Anyone know when the third episode will be available? What was written on the website made it seem as if it’s already been made…

  2. scientitian says

    Are we done obsessing about New York yet? There are one or two other places in the world that haven’t been the setting for hundreds of TV and film projects yet.

  3. Derek Pearce says

    I quite liked both episodes. I love what a bastard Jack is. Also, the boy with the stubble is crazy hot. And PDX, make a show about Portland if you’re so put off by one set in NYC. These episodes don’t seem too heavy on the “only in New York” stuff– they seem to be about any Gen Xers/Gen Yers in any non-rural area of the Western world.

  4. Zlick says

    I’m liking the series so far. I just don’t get the attitude of objecting to the New York setting? Do you folks also get pissed when almost every tv show in history takes place in Los Angeles? Does it double kill you when a show like Mad Men is set in New York, but films in Los Angeles?

    Low-budget filmmakers have to make do with where they are. Sometimes they can make their local location seem like somewhere else, but why often bother? And guess what? Most creative types operate out of New York or L.A. So this particular, very promising (imo) series about some gay people is going to ostensibly be about either the L.A. or NYC gay scene, ok?

    That all said, I’m liking this show so far. I hope they don’t add too many characters, but I DO hope the guy picked up outside the Metropolitan turns out to be a regular. I like him a lot.

    And I enjoyed the second episode even more than the first. I hope they are able to continue.

  5. RONTEX says

    I think this is just awesome and the characters are well written, acted and their pretty to look at. Why the hell isn’t this on t.v.? That ending was just sweet. I live in Austin and I don’t think it matters what City it’s set in, it rings true.

  6. RandySf says

    Pretty much you wouldn’t be able to tell that this was set in New York if the subway wasn’t out in that one scene.

    I love the nerdy gay.

  7. Nathan says

    Howdy, RONTEX! I’m a fellow Austinite and I love this stuff. Good writing and acting, gay characters that aren’t a walking stereotype – I’m sold.

  8. Leonard says

    It’s pretty well done for a web series, but I find the “poisonous” ex-boyfriend Jack poorly acted. He gives off a serial killer vibe with his dead eyes and wooden acting. The nerdy guy and his friend Oona (cool name) are pretty funny. Even if they’re storylines have been played out by every queer movie/tv show…ever.

    Not trying to be bitchy. I actually enjoyed both webisodes (though I had to skip over Jack’s parts in the 2nd one) and am looking forward to the 3rd.

  9. Pedro says

    Mr. Ehrenstein, is it old age that makes you so bitter? I pray to God that I’m not that bitter when I’m old and gray, maybe the fact that you never had a family is your problem…Anyways as for this show, it’s okay, definitely watchable, but not great.

  10. says

    Wow. That’s what “gay life” is, huh? Hmmm, I’m 43 and have been gay and out & proud since birth and have lived in San Francisco, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and Provincetown, and I’ve known thousands of other gay people – and one thing we all have in common is that “gay life” consists of getting up in the morning, showering and brushing our teeth, getting dressed and going to work, coming home and having dinner, and maybe going out for entertainment once in a while, and hoping to one day fall in love and settle down. Some of these people were whores (sleeping around), most were ordinary guys who hated sleeping around and wanted real love. These smut shows like THE OUTS are totally unrealistic and demonstrates a “gay lifestyle” that exists only in the minds of the scrip writers. Which is really a pity because the heteros have launched a war against gays precisely BECAUSE they shows like this confir their false belief that homosexual life is like this filth.

  11. Jeremy says

    @Jim, any chance the writers *had/have* lives like the friends of yours who slept around, or have friends who did? You say that the story exists “only in the minds of the writers” like it’s a bad thing.

    I’m 27 and I live in NYC, and parts of this aren’t all that far from a stylized version of my life. As for the parts that are really far from *even* a stylized version of my life, well, that’s why they call it “fiction”, yes?

    If you want to see a show about the kind of gay life you describe, go ahead and write it. Nothing can be all things to all people.

    Also, not the critic, but the man in the arena, blah blah.

  12. Jeremy says

    Also, I think we can all agree that if the show were about “getting up in the morning, showering and brushing our teeth, getting dressed and going to work, coming home and having dinner, and maybe going out for entertainment once in a while”, we’d all be roundly criticizing it for being boring.

    There’s a reason fiction doesn’t much resemble real life. It’s because most of real life is dramatically *really boring.* Dramatic Writing 101.

  13. Unicorn says

    I like the script and the characters are very likeable. Some of the screen direction in ep.2 could be better though. Either way, I’m hooked.

  14. says

    I agree somewhat with Jim on this. I watched the first episode and even though I’m just 31 wondered if this is what life is like for the gay 20-something. Seriously, I was born and raised in San Francisco, lived across the street from Ghirardelli Square and now on Russian Hill. I was high school mascot, 4.0 grade avg. went on to SFU with a full scholarship and have been openly gay all my life but life for me and my gay friends was never as it is depicted in this TV show. Is that what it is like in NY? How sad, seriously, how sad and it is no wonder the uneducated religious right think gay life is awful if they are basing it on shows like this.

    Gay life here is very normal. Most of my friends, gay and straight, are in committed relationships, not all of course, some are single and a few on the edge but the latter come and go pretty quickly.

    Real gay life is good, average, and pretty damn normal. I’ve got a husband, a job and a child – all to love and take care of. Nothing better then that in life. How come we don’t see that on TV?

  15. Michae says

    Omg, I am sorry but after watching the first episode I thought it was pretty good but after seeing this second one I think this show is phenomenal. I can’t believe some guys are bitching about certain aspects. Keep living in your walmart towns. I’ve been to the metropolitan bar and swore the last time I visited Brooklyn never to go again because the L train was a pain to get back into Manhattan with. its fantastic Mitchell and Oozi actually write the stuff with it being Mitchell’s baby.

  16. UFFDA says

    These are portraits of how to lead idiotic lives with idiotic people who have no thinking existence, no vision, no skills and certainly no future. Hollow, shallow and depressing.

  17. C says

    @Ab & @Solomon: Yeah, that question popped up distinctly for me as well. However, so far the story/writing feels authentic.

    As for the characters, they didn’t seem stereotypical or flat to me. Jack is obviously going through something with his promiscuity…he’s not just a lusty homosexual.

    This show seems to be done well and I would LOVE to see more of it (and more like it)!

  18. Oliver says

    @Jim, “getting up in the morning, showering and brushing our teeth, getting dressed and going to work, coming home and having dinner, and maybe going out for entertainment once in a while”
    does not make for engaging tv, for that matter it doesn’t even make for barely interesting tv. Then again I guess if there were to be a tv show based on that format it could be packaged as some kind of organic sleep aid.

  19. vikram johri says

    This is so absolutely wonderful. I love Mitchel (LOL at his grabbing on to the lady’s boobs). And the final scene was so WOW! Tender and wonderful!

  20. jw says

    i thought it was fun
    lived for many years in nyc
    lived there in my 20s
    this seems somewhat off in a few respects
    first, way too white –
    second, they all seem to have their own apartments – that is, live by themselves
    that is completely false for underemployed 20s in nyc nowadays
    there should be rattier apartments and roommates aplenty
    why do shows about nyc always get the housing wrong
    housing is everything in nyc
    and it is always represented in a completely unrealistic way
    that said, i thought this well acted, funny and overall charming
    whereas the boys were not too pretty and seem realish they are –
    also of course all way above average in looks so that is also somewhat false –
    but i understand shows can’t show too many ugly or overweight folks or ugly small dark apartments
    the cliche of the bitchy best straight girlfriend is done and needs to be reimagined –
    show highlights how much talent is out there and how the web is allowing folks to make art and get it out there for cheap –
    congrats to the them for making this happen

  21. Matt26 says

    Honestly, I found this series boring. I liked two scenes, when the two guys sit and talk in the sofa and teh final scene in bed. Other than that, not so good.

  22. UFFDA says

    OS2GUY – yours really IS a story and because you’re a writer you’re the most able one day to write it up. Keep at it – a heartwarming, challenging, family story combined, perhaps, with Mary’s late suggestion that a drama built around useful, socially contributive gay men/and women could have great merit. It’s far more suitable and compelling nowdays than yet another gay orgasm hunt for twinks.

  23. says

    I’m confused, Jim…. are you saying that the bigotry and prejudice of anti-gay Christians is justified, just as long as they’re hating “those evil stereotypical promiscuous gays?”

    I mean, come on. Being upset that gay male characters in a fictional webseries geared toward gay men are “whores”? Someone sounds like he never had much luck getting any, just sayin’.

    In the quest for liberation, so many of you seem to have forgotten the element of SEXUAL liberation. Your need to “remove the sexual element” from it, in a way to perhaps become palatable to Insecure Bigoted Straights, is self-defeating. Great, you’re accepted. or Tolerated. And all you had to do was…censor and edit yourself into a desexualized “look at how boringly normal i am” type of neutered gay male.

    That’s great for you, but it aint for everyone.

    But here’s the solution – this is a webseries, and a low budget one. All y’all complainers have to do is make your own. Set in whatever town you choose, with characters that are as boring and sexless or “normal” (gag) and ordinary as you please. I’m sure it’ll be riveting – watching a show about people who don’t get laid because they’re too busy worrying about what Straight Christians Think about them.

    or something.

    anyway, cute lil’show. be neat to see how it develops. i’ve lived in NYC for four years. there is indeed another wave of young people who, yeah, don’t like to hear words like “promiscuous” used pejoratively. dont’ be upset that fictional gay characters get more than you ever did. use it for escapism. you know, the way millions of straight women did when they watched “sex and the city” and exclaimed “oh! this is SO our LIVES!” – when it, like, totally wasn’t.
    😉

    and yeah i want that scruffy one.

  24. Nathan says

    @ RONTEX: My real name isn’t Nathan. I don’t use it online, because it’s so unique it’s an instant identifier. I also don’t spend any time in the gay scene, so you likely haven’t seen me around.

  25. says

    Like all tv shows you have to make it more highted. Personally I have been in the same place as any of these characters, gone thur a whore period after a bad brake up, dealt with a crazy boyfriend, and tried to find love. These episodes are all under 20 mins long it will take some time to get to know these characters, but so far I enjoy how lost they all are in this stage of their life.

  26. Michae says

    I can not believe what whiny little bitches some of u guys are. This is probably the most down to earth, realistic, heart warming and relatable portrayal of gay life I have seen on tv. If you guys are looking for an Oscar worthy web series about gay guys that don’t hook up, drink, do drugs and try to find love while, yes, having a kinda bitchy but witty girl as a good friend, then go sit on the back of the bus and was for NOM to write you a script. I played the last scene of the 2nd series five times over because it was perhaps the best scene I’ve seen that deals with gay love.

  27. Michae says

    I can not believe what whiny little bitches some of u guys are. This is probably the most down to earth, realistic, heart warming and relatable portrayal of gay life I have seen on tv. If you guys are looking for an Oscar worthy web series about gay guys that don’t hook up, drink, do drugs and try to find love while, yes, having a kinda bitchy but witty girl as a good friend, then go sit on the back of the bus and was for NOM to write you a script. I played the last scene of the 2nd series five times over because it was perhaps the best scene I’ve seen that deals with gay love.

  28. ratbastard says

    A gay soap opera. It’s alright. I agree with Pedro though, it’s not great or something to rave about, but not much is.

    @MICHAE,

    The L train isn’t that bad. I assume you were going to Willamsburg? That’s not that far from the city.

  29. BobN says

    “Nobody ever gets the housing correct.”

    Rosanne being an exception.

    As for “where is the guy with the regular job and coming home to the husband and kid and dinner every night”, that would be America’s number one comedy these days, no?

  30. JAMES says

    This is a great web series and I’m really, really enjoying it. Thank you, Towleroad!

    I watched episode two and the ending was so pleasant – had to watch that last minute or so over again. The song paired with that scene was a great choice. I ended up Googling the song. It turns out it’s a cover by Chris Rubeo called Lover’s Spit (originally sung by Broken Social Scene). I like Chris Rubeo’s version better.

    Google “Lover’s Spit Chris Rubeo” – it should be the top link if anyone is interested in free music. His cover is a free download plus he’s got an EP available for download for free too!

    Woohoo! New artists + free music = awesomeness.

  31. AG says

    It’s fiction, people, not a reality show or a documentary.

    Who wants to look at people tripping over each other in ratty apartments?

    I found both episodes to be entertaining. It is supposed to be entertainment, right?

    I, for one, make that a couple of million, love New York.

  32. MaddM@ says

    You know there *is* a show about Portland….

    Anyway the sexual activity isn’t an exclusively queer habit- there are a lot of het 20 somethings status post sexual revolution that don’t have much intention of settling down and setting up shop until later in life. Maybe it’s an age thing, maybe it’s an upper middle class urban liberal thing, but it isn’t just a queer thing.

  33. Chuck Mielke says

    What kind of jealousy is it that makes people oppose this sitcom simply because it’s set in NYC? Does that location make people less human, there situations less likely, their lives more unreal? I live in frickin’ Madison, Wisconsin. (No, I don’t own a cow.) And I’m pretty sure that I have friends similar, in some ways, to these twinks from the Big Apple. People are people.

  34. emjayay says

    It’s one thing for a big budget network show to get the housing way wrong (like famously Friends) but odd for a little indie. I’m a lot older than these people but work closely (a lot of on and off the job social interaction) in NYC with all ages including 20 somethings. All college and graduate degree types. Guess what, the straight guys and women are mostly at least as much whores and big time drinkers as these people are so far. Did everyone not see either or both Queer as Folk series?

    A few bits in this were too obvious but on the whole pretty charming so far for what it is.

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