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  1. David T says

    Like it or not, Obama will wait until after the election. I can understand being tired of waiting for something that we shouldn’t have to wait for, but it’s coming soon. He’ll win the election first, and then come out for gay marriage.

  2. DougChgo says

    This is SOOOOOOOOOOOO not news. The first time I heard Mr. Biden say something like this was during the VP debate with Ms. Palin. It was the first time I heard someone use the Equal Protection Clause in relation to the marriage equality issue (this was before the Iowa Supreme Court, BTW). So once again “journalists” like David Gregory are boning up (heh heh) on reruns of the news rather than trying to cover real issues.

  3. Jimbo says

    It’s important to note that Biden did not “endorse” marriage equality. He simply said he’s “comfortable” with it. There’s a big difference there, folks.

  4. says

    Sigh… Lets face some facts for a moment shall we?

    1) President Obama does NOT believe in marriage equality he believes in “Separate but Equal (ish)” Civil Unions. He will not “evolve” because he is OPPOSED to Marriage equality,

    2) The President’s past statements to the contrary in 1996 were the words of politician wooing campaign cash out of Chicago’s Boystown, nothing more.

    3) For President Obama, speaking eloquently about an issue is in his mind, the same thing as doing something about an issue. “Not defending DOMA in court” is a nice sound byte nothing more, while the ENFORCEMENT of DOMA continues full tilt.

    4) Axelrod is an idiot. He is terrified by an issue that is already decided. The wingnuts of the GOP already firmly believe the President is 100000% FOR same sex marriage and his waffling on the issues simply confirms to the average Teabagger that the President is a liar on this issue as well as everything else. The political firewall Axelrod thinks he is holding has never actually existed.

    5) An Obama 2nd term will be NO DIFFERENT than his first on LGBT issues. The President will NEVER EVER lead on any issue, he will happily FOLLOW Congress if they do all the work, and take all the political risk. So he can show up after the battle is won, claim victory and the photo-op as he signs a bill he had nothing to do with.

    6) The White House knew exactly what they were doing when the sent the Vice President out to do that interview today. It was meant as a carrot dangled out before the GayTM so the LGBT community can be Charlie Brown taking yet another run at the football “Lucy Van Pelt/Axelrod” is holding while PROMISING (yet again) THIS time will be different…

    And finally…

    7) President Obama on his WORST day is infinitely better than Mittens Romney on ANY day. But let’s not pretend that President Obama is in any way a progressive on the issue of Civil Rights.

  5. Jason says

    Actually, the sad part is that Obama does believe in gay marriage privately. He’s a smart man and his past essays he’s written on the matter state his true feelings.

    The sad part comes in based on the fact he’s too cowardly to ruffle feathers with the religious part of his base, specifically uber-religious Black voters.

  6. NVAgBoi says

    Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Hold your horses here GLBTQ media! It’s goes even a step further than Jimbo mentioned (who was also correct)….

    Biden just mimicked the Administration’s line….just in his typically un-succinct manner. He did not say the words “I believe that all couples have the right to marry, even if they are the same sex.”

    His spokesperson may have said this in the quote above, in a round about way, but that is not what Biden himself said and it is not the administration’s position. So there has been no movement on this position. It is still the same: the Admin believes that those couples who ARE married under their State’s laws should not be discriminated against, but there is no position on the expansion of the RIGHT to marry, nor the nationalization/federalization of this right as of the moment.

  7. JigsawFalling says

    This is starting to annoy me.

    Do the LGBT community really want a Romney administration?

    Have patience. Obama will come out for marriage equality soon after his reelection.

  8. says

    @ JIGSAWFALLING : Agreed !

    How many times must it be said ?

    Obama may or may not come through on marriage equality………but we sure as pfuck don’t want Romney appointing replacements for Ginsberg and Bryer on SCOTUS.

    Same sex marriage is important to us…..agreed…….but all our rights will be quashed if Scalia,Thomas,Roberts & Alito get another buddy to support their extremist right wing doctrinaire interpretations of the constitution.

    Sweet Jesus, imagine the Right having two more SCOTUS justices…..

    There is only one show in town…..get on board and let’s stop whinging , for the moment.

  9. JC says

    What the president means when he says he is “evolving” on the issue is that he will support it when it isn’t going to cause him any political trouble.

  10. says

    RIght on JACKFKNTWIST. And, JC, welcome to reality (aka, Realpolitik). Be an adult and work hard for a second Obama term.

  11. says

    And guess what folks, NO ONE in a democracy gets exactly what they want. Isn’t that what all those fairy tales of three wishes are about? Or better yet, listen to “Into the Woods” for the 10,000 times it deserves.

  12. Mark says

    Obama and Biden believe in marriage equality. However, because of the election they can’t endorse it for fear of marriage equality being a lightning rod to draw anti-gay forces to the polls. Bush used anti-gay legislation to get out the vote in 2004.

    Look. While Obama was a state senator in Illinois, he was pro marriage equality.

    This is politics. Look at Obama’s willingness to refute DOMA.

    Romney has PLEDGED to pass an anti-marriage amendment. We’ve already seen him kick an openly gay campaign staff member to the curb to appease his anti-gay base.

  13. Chitown Kev says

    @Jason…

    unlike many white gays, black voters are not single issue voters and they would support the President regardless of his stance on marriage equality.

  14. Gregoire says

    The bigger headline here is the acclaim for ‘Will and Grace’. Who knew Sean P Hayes would help potentially influence American policy?

  15. says

    you show me a gay man who thinks Obama won’t bring about massive change in Term Two and I’ll show you a man who is blisteringly upset that a Black Liberal President is going to be responsible for the earthshaking move in LGBT Equality that his own white family and community never lifted a finger to achieve.

    truth.

    on that note, i am sorry for those of you who are going to be upset that you’ll be made aware, again, that the people you’ve been raised to hate are the sole people responsible for your freedoms and liberties as gay men. you’re in for a world of spiteful bitterness.
    i’m not. so yay 😀

  16. Paul R says

    I’m glad that he reminded us he’s VP because he’s done nothing. Think Gore and the awful Cheney and you realize that VPs can actually do things. Name a few things that Biden has done.

    Oh, Will and Grace. Truly a hallmark of Western civilization. I’m sure that bullying, suicides, more out people, right-minded young people, and myriad other factors were insignificant in increasing acceptance. For the record, Sean Hayes is an ass in real life.

  17. Chitown Kev says

    Quiet as it’s kept, it’s not the fear that Obama will lose black religious voters but that he’ll lose some of the white evangelical voters that he was able to pick up in 2008.

    With a Mormon on the ballot, the President has an opening to duplicate (or maybe even surpass) his 2008 performance among that demographic.

    sure, he didn’t get 50% + 1 of the white evangelical vote over McCain but he got enough of that vote to push him over the top in Indiana and North Carolina and to give him a cushion of votes in Colorado.

    He did substantially better with the white evangelical vote than John Kerry.

  18. Terry says

    I can’t believe I’m reading these snide comments about Biden referencing “Will and Grace”. Christ, who cares how he came about on his thinking? He’s the Vice President of the United States and he’s supportive of us and our rights.

  19. JP says

    Obama is for marriage equality in all ways that it matters for a president… He wants to repeal DOMA and he opposes all efforts at the state and federal level to limit marriage equaility rights. In essence, the last remaining thing for him is to say he personally supports it. I honestly don’t care much about that since it doesn’t impact his policy stances.

  20. Matt says

    You know, this is a roundabout way of trying to “make up” for his inaction, which HE could have easily prevented. I expect this from Biden and Axelrod, because they’re nothing but lemmings for Obama. The only problem is, with them so blatantly defending him, they’re putting it on him, and he isn’t even stepping up to the plate. If this really matters to people, he’ll pay for their words. It would be better for him to come out and say it, but he won’t, because he’s a coward, and he DOESN’T support marriage equality.

    @JIGSAWFALLING
    Obots like you are nothing but pure annoyance, so how does it feel?
    @JACKFCKNTWIST
    I’ll pass, thanks. But please, don’t let me stop you from working what your mama gave you for Big O.
    And ONE MORE THING. For the past 20 of the last 31 years, Republicans have been in power, electing judges. However, we make our biggest strides in the judicial branch, but we continue to have problems in the executive and legislative branches. Now, explain to me why we have to worry about the judges that are elected. Only Scalia and Thomas pose a threat, and they were elected the longest ago of all the justices.
    As for Roberts and Alito, you need to look them up and what they’ve done. You’ll be sorry you ever cast them in the same light as Scalia and Thomas.

  21. says

    dear insecure white gays, stop being angry at President Obama for the fact that that white conservative community you were born into doesn’t want you to be gay.

  22. ChrisM says

    @TERRY:

    The quotation is this: “I think Will and Grace probably did more to educate the American public than almost anything anybody’s ever done so far.”

    Sure, I’m very glad Biden is voicing his support for marriage equality. But you can’t ignore this. This is like saying ‘Fat Albert did more for the civil rights movement than anything else.’ It’s a fictional show that stereotypes gays. Just because Biden is supporting us and we like his overall message doesn’t mean we should let this ignorant statement go by. Let’s not sell ourselves short.

  23. says

    “It’s a fictional show that stereotypes gays.”

    Articulate intelligently, please. It’s a show that brought “gay” into american households, and in many ways it was indeed a “gay for straight people” show, which is still (alas) very much needed.

    i’m not sure what “stereotypes gays” is supposed to mean, though. it sounds like something someone says without understanding what they’re saying.

    i thought will’s relationship with that oh-so-fine cop, and the oh-so-fine Taye Diggs, were rather touching. I thought it beautifully illustrated a very real slice of a very specific gay manhattan existence.

    simmer.

  24. Matt says

    Dear racist Littlekiwi,

    Stop calling everyone who doesn’t support Obama an insecure white gay. Racism works both ways, and you’re sounding pretty damn racist to me.
    You have a problem with white people? Deal with it, but stop calling us racists. We can freely hate Obama. I hated Bush, and still do, and consider both of them to be the same on the issue of LGBT rights.

  25. ZoeO says

    Biden may be comfortable with the idea of same sex marriage but that won’t help Americans in committed relationships with same sex partners from other countries. These Americans have limited opportunity to even be with their partners or they must give up America and go make new lives in foreign countries that are willing to accept same sex partners such as Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland France, Germany, Iceland, Israel, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom — all of which do recognize same sex partnerships and grant the right to sponsor same sex partners/spouses. While it is true that young Americans do understand and accept the idea of people loving each other regardless of gender our government is woefully behind the times when it comes to such enlightenment. The US government refuses to recognize that families can be formed through same sex relationships and that causes tremendous emotional and financial strain to those couples/families who must live apart due to this burden.

  26. ZoeO says

    Biden may be comfortable with the idea of same sex marriage but that won’t help Americans in committed relationships with same sex partners from other countries. These Americans have limited opportunity to even be with their partners or they must give up America and go make new lives in foreign countries that are willing to accept same sex partners such as Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland France, Germany, Iceland, Israel, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom — all of which do recognize same sex partnerships and grant the right to sponsor same sex partners/spouses. While it is true that young Americans do understand and accept the idea of people loving each other regardless of gender our government is woefully behind the times when it comes to such enlightenment. The US government refuses to recognize that families can be formed through same sex relationships and that causes tremendous emotional and financial strain to those couples/families who must live apart due to this burden.

  27. FunMe says

    NOT SO FAST … this administration is still playing games with the ones they consider ever dispensable, us the GLBTs, since they know we’ll support them no matter what.

    “The White House echoes Axelrod. In a statement released to Politico, a spokesperson from the Vice President’s office maintains Biden’s comments do not fall outside the administration’s current stance.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/biden-on-gay-marriage-who-do-you-love/

    “The Vice President was saying what the President has said previously – that committed and loving same-sex couples deserve the same rights and protections enjoyed by all Americans, and that we oppose any effort to rollback those rights […] Beyond that, the Vice President was expressing that he too is evolving on the issue, after meeting so many committed couples and families in this country.”

    “EVOLVING” … there they go again, backtracking when it should be an easy thing to say they support GLBT equality. I call it political cowardice, doing whatever will get them the votes even if they have to throw under the bus the GLBT community once again.

    Tell you what, I may have voted for the Obama administration last time, but this time I will be “evolving” too and decide on November 11, 2012 if I will support them with my money and vote once again. How’s that!

    And to all those who say we must BLINDLY continue to vote for them because they are “Democrats” (the blue/red farce) and will do the right thing in their 2nd term.

    Is the right thing similar to what Clinton did? Like DOMA passing in Clinton’s 2nd term?

  28. says

    dear racist matt, i’m white. you’re not a racist because you hate obama, you hate obama because you’re a racist. 😀

  29. Darrell says

    Someday the United States will accept gay marriage, Until then just move north to Canada where you can have equality and the American way of life.

    Also note to Zoeo, Australia does not support gay marriage they are in the same boat as Americans are with state and federal governments refusing to advance like the other Commonwealth Countries such as Canada and the UK.

  30. andrew says

    V P Joe Biden is one of the most down to earth, honest politician. I voted for Hillary Clinton in the Pa primary and Obama in the general election and I have respect for both of them, but I believe he is a less calculating politician than either of them. With Joe Biden you get what you see. He has become the butt of late nite jokes. He is no joke. He comes from middle class Irish-Catholic roots. He was a senator for about 30 years. He chaired major committes like Judiciary and Foreign Affairs. He has been a life long liberal democrat who was reelected about 5 times in the fairly centrist or conservative state of Del. He has been an outstanding spokesman for progressive causes in the USA. His personal family story has been inspirational. If you don’t know it, check it out.

  31. andrew says

    I agree with jackfkwtwist that we must reelect Obama to push the SCOTUS to the left.If Romney wins the SCOTUS will be controlled by the right wing for the next generation. That is NO exaggeration.

  32. andrew says

    @Matt: I am a lifelong liberal democrat who almost never votes for a republican and even I know that the foreigner who calls himself Littlekiwi is an a**hole. Don’t judge all of us lefties as if we agree with the mean spirited vitriol of his.

  33. andrew says

    @Paul: Name a few things that Cheney did! Go ahead name them. Cat got your tongue?

  34. andrew says

    @Darrell: Don’t make Canada the ideal nation. There are millions of French-Canadians and others who would like to be free of British Royal Family as their soverigns.

  35. andrew says

    Wasn’t it pleasant to have Kiwi absent during the last week so that we could have a rational exchange of ideas?