Adam Kokesh Has a Few Thoughts on the NFL and Gay Players: VIDEO
Self-described "Libertarian propagandist" and anti-war activist and Iraq veteran-turned-radio host Adam Kokesh sounded off this week on the NFL and its "artifical paragon of masculinity" that won't provide an environment in which a player can comfortably come out of the closet.
Watch, AFTER THE JUMP...
With 7 billion people on this planet, there are bound to people who act and behave and walk and talk in allll sorts of manners. Be it shy, feminine, masculine, loud, timid, confident...it's part of the diversity with human nature and Thank Goodness for that. No two people were created the same. The idea that everyone has to act one way is ridiculous and clearly out dated. If you can't handle a world where a man may be feminine and comfortable with who he is, and a women may be more masculine and comfortable with who she is, then it's going to be a very miserable existence for you. Might wanna work that out.
Posted by: Steve-ATL | Jun 15, 2012 9:24:27 PM
TRULY masculine gay men don't care if another gay man is fem.
TRULY masculine gay men don't introduce themselves as masculine, with a header reading "I'm MASCULINE!!!"
TRULY masculine gay men comfortable in their skin don't feel threatened nor insecure by the presence of someone who doesn't act exactly as they do.
If you were truly masculine, you wouldn't feel uncomfortable with the presence or seeing a less masculine gay men. Just as if you were truly straight, you wouldn't feel threatened by the presence of a gay person around you. It's those who are playing a ROLE who don't feel secure in their own act to be around those that are different than them.
Signed,
A guy who is considered masculine, but I highly consider that something to be proud of or throw out there with a disclaimer, all while denouncing non masculine gays.
Posted by: USC Trojan Fan | Jun 15, 2012 9:27:51 PM
Who cares if someone IS effiminate? I mean what type of person gets frustrated and resentful toward another human being based on them being effiminate or how they enter a room? What a shallow, petty, vapid, and ignorant thought process. I mean if your way of thinking is that EVERY man has to act the way you please "or else.." well then relocate to Iran. You'd not only be welcomed, but find a government that is very like minded and actually punishes men brutally for not acting in a masculine manner. By all means, relocate and time travel to the stone ages.
Posted by: James Vargas | Jun 15, 2012 9:31:34 PM
SOME masculine gay men feel the entire gay community is reflective of them and they demand all gays represent them, and their comfort levels. They use the argument of how we're seen in society and by heterosexuals, as if our only purpose for existence as gays is to constantly be winning them hetros over by role modeling "perfect" behavior which leads to essentially role playing. Instead of said masculine gay men living their lives, and showcasing what traits they want people to see of them, they usually forcefully request ALL gays act like they wish. There's not enough ways to describe how flawed, irrational, and unhealthy that mentality is, not to mention self revolved. If you were really content with who you are, you wouldn't need others to change themselves to feel validated.
Posted by: Real Talk | Jun 15, 2012 9:35:32 PM
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Posted by: rjp3 | Jun 15, 2012 11:52:14 PM
@ Rick--you just can't stop your hatred of gay men, can you? Every time you post it seems you have to trash the feminine. Some men are--feminine. You need to get OVER it. All you're doing is perpetuating the cultural hatreds that have kept gay men under the heel of the majority for so long. "Embrace masculine values." Christ--wtf does THAT mean? You're nothing but an all-too-typical misogynist--and self-hating gay man. Just pathetic. But even worse would be having to live in that cesspool of hate that is your mind--and "heart"--if you have one. You have so much to learn--so much, in fact, that even if you were five years old I'm quite sure you'd die long before you were done.
Posted by: DannyEastVillage | Jun 16, 2012 7:10:39 AM
As a gay man who is labeled masculine, every gay dude who I met who went off on how masculine he was was in actuality extremely effiminate to everyone around him but himself. it's sad. especially when you get these so called 'straight acting' gay dudes behind closed doors. They'll be the biggest girly bottoms, and it just proves it was all an act because they are so insecure and scared to face society being who they truly are. I mean, if you're really rich, you don't scream it every second off the top of a mountain. And if you're really masculine and gay, you don't need to knock fem gays down or announce your masculinity. It's a complex that some gay guys can't address within themselves cuz they gotta unlayer a lot of issues.
Posted by: Scott Landores | Jun 16, 2012 7:16:05 AM
Thanks to all of you for weighing in with the same, tired, old pseudo-feminist BS that you have been taught by women to recite, proving once again how far so many gay men still have to go in terms of getting their heads out of women's a$$es and deciding to be men, instead. When you do decide to do so, back to my original point, then straight men will accept you.
Nobody "announced" their masculinity; neither did I. Nor is any straight man or masculine gay man "threatened" by effeminacy. (Why would they be?) Nor do the 98% of men the world over who behave in a normal masculine banner have "Daddy" issues. (Effeminate gay men, by contrast, generally do, which is part of why they are effeminate in the first place). Nor is masculinity a "role"--it is simply the way men naturally are and have been the world over since the dawn of our species. But thanks, too, for all the armchair psychology BS that complements the feminist BS so perfectly.
The issue you all don't want to face, of course, is that effeminate behavior is a choice and an artifice and is nothing more than a reflection of the low self-esteem of the gay men who have agreed to surrender their natural masculinity in adherence to the societal idea they have internalized, namely that homosexuality and masculinity are incompatible. They idolize women and attempt to mimic women's behavior as a way of demonstrating that they believe in their own inferiority and lack of a claim to masculinity. Why else would they?
Effeminate behavior is entirely learned and deliberate and a reflection not of nature, but of psychological damage. It is artificial and its artificiality is obvious to anyone observing it.
So good luck to you in addressing your issues; if you decide you want to be men, other men will accept you; if you decide you want to continue to be pseudo-women, then they will not.
I have made my choice and you can make yours.
But I harbor no illusions about how long it is going to take for gay men who have been denied a masculine identity for so long by society to make the transition to thinking of themselves as men the way straight men do....and to wean themselves from their habit of taking their behavioral and ideological cues from women instead of men, which is, of course, a consequence of the denial of a masculine identity.
Straight men are leaving the past behind and it is time that gay men did too; ironically, just as they are holding out a hand of acceptance, some of you, instead of grasping it, are clinging to your oppression and the mindset that is the result of that oppression.
If you refuse to change, then you will blow an historic opportunity that may never come again.
Your choice.
Posted by: Rick | Jun 16, 2012 11:14:11 AM
RJP3, you're the dingbat. Adam Kokesh was brilliant, intelligent...and right. WTF are you thinking?!
Posted by: nikko | Jun 16, 2012 11:38:04 AM
And let me add just one final point. What makes the points-of-view expressed by some of you so totally laughable is that gay men, themselves--yes that is you I am addressing--are obsessed with masculinity when it comes to how sexually attractive they regard other men as being. You all know that this is true. Anybody who denies it is just being dishonest, as even the most cursory glance at gay classifieds will demonstrate (even if all of our own daily experience did not confirm this, which, of course, it does and which even several academic studies have proven). "No fems", "Masc only", in ad after ad after ad.
So if you, yourselves, strongly prefer masculine men to effeminate men--as virtually all gay men do--then you are contradicting your own stated ideology by doing so. After all, if being "fem" is no big deal to you, then why would you make such a big deal out of it when it comes to sexual attraction?
You see, you all recognize what masculinity is--in fact, you have a very acute sense of the finest distinctions of it--and those distinctions matter a great deal to you, perhaps moreso than they do to straight men, even. They drive your attraction to other men, more than any other factor.
So you cannot escape the truth about yourselves as revealed by your own behavior, regardless of how much you exert yourselves by trying to create ideological sandcastles that will cover it up.
Posted by: Rick | Jun 16, 2012 11:47:25 AM
Interesting take on pro sports being like mini-nationalism, I always saw it as more of a basic bread-and-circuses thing. As boring as I think they are sometimes I'm happy they exist so there is a focus for people's tribalism so it won't be channeled in to lynchings or anything. It is also just a big bunch of man-drag as well.
And yeah.... he is superfine, not just for his looks but for pointing that out.
Posted by: MaddM@ | Jun 16, 2012 2:52:56 PM
Well Rick, you've finally said something with which many of us can agree:
"You see, you all recognize what masculinity is--in fact, you have a very acute sense of the finest distinctions of it--and those distinctions matter a great deal to you, perhaps moreso than they do to straight men, even. They drive your attraction to other men, more than any other factor."
As with many gay men, I'm attracted to masculine men -- Were I was attracted to fems, I'd have sex with women.
[As an aside, I've always been puzzled by the idea of two fems hooking up -- whats the attraction? (assuming fems hook up with each other)]
Posted by: DiCKster | Jun 16, 2012 7:57:04 PM