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Woman Claims She Was Raped At NYC Gay Bar After Pride

DuplexAn unidentified woman claims she was raped in the bathroom of the New York City bar Duplex after pride last weekend.

According to sources who spoke with DNAinfo, the attack happened in an upstairs bathroom in the Christopher Street bar at about 12:30 in the morning. She did not, however, tell staff members. Duplex owner Tony DeCicco had no comment.

There's no word how police are proceeding with this case, but it's certainly a disturbing thought: a rapist trying to seem innocuous while blending in with gay men, an environment in which most women, I think, would feel safe and secure.

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  1. Very sad. Is the woman straight or lesbian? I'm assuming she is a straight woman as if she was a lesbian, it likely would be reported and investigated as a hate crime. In any case, it's very sad. There are definitely some sketchy guys who are seemingly becoming more frequent regulars in gay bars, solely with the intent to hook up with (and in some cases, rape) potentially intoxicated straight women. Hopefully the attacker is caught.

    Posted by: Francis | Jun 29, 2012 8:21:54 AM


  2. Very sad. Is the woman straight or lesbian? I'm assuming she is a straight woman as if she was a lesbian, it likely would be reported and investigated as a hate crime. In any case, it's very sad. There are definitely some sketchy guys who are seemingly becoming more frequent regulars in gay bars, solely with the intent to hook up with (and in some cases, rape) potentially intoxicated straight women. Hopefully the attacker is caught.

    Posted by: Francis | Jun 29, 2012 8:21:55 AM


  3. the whole bloody thing is sketchy: did she have a rape kit done at the ER? The Duplex is in the middle of Ground Zero of the Pride March (it's a half block from the Stonewall Inn) and would have been so crowded that it's unthinkable that the place was not packed that evening. IN fact, I walked by that corner that evening and the place was jammed, the tables on the sidewalk were crowded and large crowds were standing on the adjacent sidewalk interacting with the patrons. I have a very hard time believing this story and wonder if the woman making the claim was drug tested. The whole idea seems not simply unbelievable but completely infeasible.

    Posted by: Daniel Berry, NYC | Jun 29, 2012 8:30:54 AM


  4. At 1230AM the night of Pride the bathrooms at the Duplex would have been very busy--VERY busy. A rape would have been impossible without dozesn--literally dozens--of witnesses. She's a liar who wants to sue the owners of the Duplex. I'd find out if she's an ex-employee who had been fired.

    Posted by: Daniel Berry, NYC | Jun 29, 2012 8:32:57 AM


  5. Interesting how some of the first comments question the woman. While of course there are always a few cases where people lie, it is all too typical than we doubt people who have been sexually assaulted rather than face the reality of these horrible crimes. It is also interesting that the immediate assumption is that a straight man was hiding out in a gay bar to prey on an unsuspecting woman--as if it wasn't possible for a gay man (drunk or not) to sexually assault a woman. Rape isn't about sex or sexual orientation, it is about violence, power, and control.

    Posted by: Jason Evan Mihalko, Psy.D | Jun 29, 2012 8:45:20 AM


  6. Don't trust any man you don't know. That goes to women and men.

    Posted by: Jack M | Jun 29, 2012 9:18:33 AM


  7. Jason, Your bio says you went to City, so obviously you know something about NY, Have you ever been to Duplex? We're not questioning the idea that a woman could be raped at a bar, we're questioning the where and the when. I also find this highly suspicious. I'd imagine it would be nearly impossible to have consentual sex there and then, nevermind a rape.

    Posted by: Matt in NYC | Jun 29, 2012 9:44:33 AM


  8. unfortunate. I hope it is investigated thoroughly and any guilty parties are brought to swift and serious justice.

    Posted by: samthor | Jun 29, 2012 9:52:34 AM


  9. Jason & Matt, traffic to and from the ladies' room (and, undoubtedly, standing in line outside it as virtually always happens at ladies'rooms in NYC at crowded venues) leaves virtually no opportunity for a rape in such a place unless the rapist did not objected to being observed - and having the hell beat out of him by enraged dykes.

    Posted by: Danny in the East Village | Jun 29, 2012 10:52:13 AM


  10. Jason - don't be a dope.

    Skepticism is a virtue. An extraordinary claim (raped in a packed gay bar in a tiny bathroom on one of the busiest days of the year) requires at least a shred of proof. It is absolutely appropriate to question anyone who reports an assault. If they answer the questions in a believable and consistent way, then let's move forward.

    And sure, it's possible for a gay man to sexually assault a woman...but is it common? Is it likely? Nope. Far more likely that any sexual assault would have been committed by a straight man. Please, knock of the mega-credulous tortured academic mental creampuffery.

    We see a large number of false bias crimes on this blog in particular. When we fall for them every time, we 1) encourage more of the same, and 2) deplete the reserves of sympathy and support for all the genuine victims out there.

    Some examples:

    http://jonathanturley.org/2011/04/13/university-of-north-carolina-student-admits-anti-gay-attack-was-a-hoax/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Prather

    http://dailyiowan.com/2011/07/29/Metro/24380.html

    http://articles.latimes.com/2004/apr/20/local/me-hoax20

    http://www.towleroad.com/2009/02/surveillance-ta.html

    http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1999/08/26/loc_hate-crime_hoax_at.html

    http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=081802&ID=s1201356

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/a-gay-girl-in-damascus-comes-clean/2011/06/12/AGkyH0RH_story.html?hpid=z2

    Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/hate-crime-debunked-lesbian-couple-accused-of-vandalizing-own-home.html#ixzz1zC7D7UlY

    Posted by: Yeek | Jun 29, 2012 10:56:27 AM


  11. This really is all evidence of my point. Survivors of sexual assault face a court of public opinion that judges without facts and races to blame the victim. It is arguments like this that help keep victims silent, fearing retraumatization by public opinion.

    In the end, what any of us thinks happened is irrelevant. It is for a court of law to decide. Rather than being on guard to attack the rare spurious claims of sexual assault, we ought to be creating a supportive community where victims can come forward and find support as they seal justice.

    It is a waste of time to attack me with snark. It also is a rather weak argument to put forward a handful of accounts of false testimony. The data overwhelmingly demonstrates the omnipresent nature of sexual assault and sexual abuse in our country.

    My comment, and point, is that we really need to look at why it is we so often jump to blame victims who come forward.

    While the details here are exotic, the story is the same as it always is. A woman alleges sexual assault and the public rushes in to discredit her.

    Shameful.

    Posted by: Jason Evan Mihalko, Psy.D | Jun 29, 2012 11:38:09 AM


  12. Jason – let me handle this point-by-point:

    “Survivors of sexual assault face a court of public opinion that judges without facts and races to blame the victim.”

    There is a difference between appropriate skepticism and blaming the victim. Nobody here has accused this woman of being responsible for being raped (e.g. ‘she was drunk’ or ‘what did she expect?’). What has been said is that the circumstances of the attack seem extremely unusual and there is astonishment that it could have happened in the environment described without anyone noticing.

    “Rather than being on guard to attack the rare spurious claims of sexual assault, we ought to be creating a supportive community where victims can come forward and find support as they seal justice.”

    No, Jason. We should do BOTH. Our community needs to have legitimate ways to seek justice, while at the same time avoiding a reflexive support for any allegation no matter how unlikely. Every accusation of assault (sexual or otherwise) that turns out to be false is incredibly damaging to future victims, and also damaging to the troubled people who make these claims because they know they will get massive amounts of sympathy and attention. Both groups of people deserve better.

    “It also is a rather weak argument to put forward a handful of accounts of false testimony. The data overwhelmingly demonstrates the omnipresent nature of sexual assault and sexual abuse in our country.”

    No changing the game, Jason: your point was never that sexual assault was common (we all know it is). Your point was that you were surprised people were ‘questioning the woman’ and that people who have been assaulted are often doubted. The answer to one extreme (e.g. never believe anyone who claims they were assaulted) is not the opposite extreme (e.g. always believe anyone who says they were assaulted). Instead, the best way to handle these situations is not to think with your hormones but instead look for evidence. Is there security video? Do any other bar patrons provide accounts that support her story? Does a forensic rape examination (available at any ER in the city) support her account? These are not impossible standards to reach.

    Unfortunately, the story is the same as it always is: an allegation is made, and any question of credibility is attacked as support for the alleged crime itself.

    Posted by: Yeek | Jun 29, 2012 12:05:55 PM


  13. Update from NY Daily News:

    "Investigators were reviewing surveillance tapes, officials said. The woman said her attacker was a black male, but no other description was given, according to police."

    Posted by: Yeek | Jun 29, 2012 12:29:17 PM


  14. The Duplex has two tiny, unisex bathrooms next to the upstairs bar. They do not even have sinks in them, there is a shared open sink area in a tiny space between the bar and the bathrooms. The line for restrooms begins in this tiny sink space.

    Like other have posted I am also skeptical. Duplex is right next to Stonewall Inn (where the riots were that started the gay rights movement ) and the rest of Gay Pride mecca. Duplex was overflowing with people until closing. With that many people the bathroom line would have been insane, if not out the door. If a man managed to forcibly push a woman into the tiny bathroom and rape her then proceed to leave without anyone in the bathroom line or upstairs bar noticing…it makes one skeptical. Give her the benefit of the doubt, but investigate before jumping to conclusions. People falsely report all kinds of crimes, not just rape, and they need to be investigated.

    Posted by: DRG | Jun 29, 2012 12:29:19 PM


  15. I was at The Stonewall Inn up the block around that time that night. You would be amazed at how dead it was at that hour, and I expect Duplex would be the same way. It's very likely that the upper floor was not, in fact, jam packed with witnesses.

    Posted by: Top to Bottom | Jun 29, 2012 12:34:32 PM


  16. Well, with video surveillance we should have something to go on pretty soon. If it corroborates her account, she should get every bit of support available. If it contradicts her account, then she needs a different kind of help, and the African-American community should get an apology from her. If there's no definitive answer, keep searching for additional evidence to help make a sensible decision about who to believe and who to accuse. Sometimes "we just can't tell" is the most honest answer.

    Posted by: Yeek | Jun 29, 2012 12:49:48 PM


  17. Very important for ladies to always keep their wits about them. I hope they get to the bottom of the rape.

    Posted by: Hollywood, CA | Jun 29, 2012 1:42:55 PM


  18. Police procedures are quite thorough when investigating rapes, but they don't assume anything pro or con about the perpetration of a crime before the investigation begins. They know what they are doing.

    Posted by: anon | Jun 29, 2012 2:54:51 PM


  19. @Francis:
    The category of "hate crime" does not depend on the minority status of a victim; it depends on the motivation for a crime being hatred toward a group.

    For example, if she was straight and (hypothetically) targeted by a man because he hates straight women, then it would be a hate crime.

    If she is gay and was targeted because the attacker was drunk and horny and there were no witnesses in the ladies' room, it is NOT a hate crime (and it's not relevant that she is gay).

    If she is white and was attacked by a serial rapist because he wants revenge on white people for Jim Crow days, it is a hate crime. If she happens to be white and was chosen as a victim because the rapist thought her blouse looked sexy, it is NOT a hate crime.
    If she is a Christian and was attacked because she was wearing a crucifix, it is a hate crime. If she just HAPPENS to be a Christian, it has nothing to do with whether it's a hate crime.

    Posted by: GregV | Jun 29, 2012 3:26:19 PM


  20. Stop making up scenarios if you were not there. This is a job for the police and courts to hear not queens who think that they "know" based upon bathroom size, busy nightclub etc. If the bar was very busy, most likely could have been very loud too where someone screaming or a scuffle could not be heard. It doesnt take a long time for a rape to occur so it could have happened.

    Posted by: Michael | Jun 29, 2012 5:01:34 PM


  21. Check the CCTV video. A woman raped by I assume a man at a gay bar? Anything is possible. I just hope [maybe hope isn't the right word] this a real incident, not manufactured by a disturbed individual or obnoxious troll with an agenda. There are unfortunately MANY fake 'hate' crimes, many fake rapes.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jun 29, 2012 8:47:54 PM


  22. Many fake crimes vs. actual crimes does not even equate, especially when many real crimes are not reported.

    Posted by: Michael | Jun 29, 2012 9:17:47 PM


  23. Yes, many real crimes are indeed not reported. That's why aside from homicides, crime stats are questionable. How does this reflect on the fact there are also many fake 'hate' crimes and fake rapes?

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jun 29, 2012 9:25:50 PM


  24. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ARTICLES LIKE THIS. ANY HETEROSEXUAL MALE WHO GOES TO A HOMOSEXUAL NIGHTCLUB TO MEET FEMALES SHOULD "STAND OUT" IN THE EYES OF FEMALE PATRONS. THIS ARTICLE PROVIDES PROOF TO THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW FEMALES GET INVOLVED WITH "CLOSETED-" MALE HOMOSEXUALS.

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    Posted by: CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON | Jul 11, 2012 7:09:11 PM


  25. Why is everyone assuming she was raped by a man? The article doesn't specify a gender for her attacker so it could have easily been a woman, especially if it was in the women's bathroom. Also, if it was in there, there would have been too many witnesses to see a man going into the women's bathroom.

    Posted by: Spice | May 13, 2013 10:24:42 AM


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