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  1. scott says

    I have no idea if in some municipalities or jurisdictions if they do this-and I don’t want to be in a way to find it out- but they should def make the perpetrators pay for the victim’s damages. Streamline it- do a sort of IOU from the Sheriff’s office until guilt can be determined.

  2. Mitch says

    These are four marines who are an embarrassment to those who serve and live honorably – and four who deserve a dishonorable discharge and some jail time with Bubba.

    Agree with Scott – the perpetrators should be required to pay restitution for hospitalization and medical care, and for pain and suffering inflicted on the victim.

  3. Ricco says

    The military cannot properly punish men who murder civilians, who desecrate the bodies of the dead by urinating on them, who rape young girls when abroad. I wonder what they will do to four heroes who put a gay man in his place. I mean it’s not like they beat a gay man in their platoon.

  4. Daniel Berry, NYC says

    Actually, the headline should read, “Four Closeted US Marines Arrested…”

    Just sickening. Of course, one of the interesting questions is: is it a gay bar?

  5. Francis says

    Charlie Harris may not think of himself as a hero, but he definitely is. We’ve heard enough stories of soldiers off-combat murdering civilians in instances similar to this that Charlie’s actions probably did end up saving the victim’s life.

    Four straight-identifying marines go into a gay bar, openly say it’s the first time they’ve ever been to a gay bar and proceed to appear “visibly uncomfortable”, make snide/homophobic remarks, get drunk and beat a patron outside of the bar. It’s clear to me these guys definitely went to the bar to cause problems. Either that or they’re closeted and couldn’t handle what they were experiencing. In either case, hopefully they are punished harshly.

  6. Daniel Berry, NYC says

    Straight boys don’t trouble themselves about gay guys: it’s as simple as that. Such a beating is driven by one thing: gay self-hatred. Those four “marines” are in for some bumpy nights in prison and perhaps an even bumpier road after that.

    I’m consoled by one thing: thirty or even twenty years ago nothing would have been done about this: if the cops had come they’d have blamed the kid who got beat up, given him a hard time and *nothing* would have happened to the four self-hating faggots in marine uniforms.

  7. DF says

    The Marines do have an Honor Code and this violates it, as they were not Defending themselves or the country against this man. They may be able to get some time for this, in the military.

  8. Francis says

    Yes it is, Daniel. These guys knew it too, they said it is the first gay bar they’ve ever been to. Supposedly there was one main attacker who was the one who made most of the anti-gay comments and was the one who first attacked the innocent patron.

    They didn’t just go to this bar without reason. They went to this bar on purpose. It’s almost amusing how men like this are so threatened and insecure regarding homosexuality. Very pathetic. Best wishes go out to the victim. And I agree with Scott that the attackers should pay 100% of the medical fees.

  9. Geo says

    I think that thye are going to go up before a military court and will probably get a court marshal – they can’t plea that they were provoked – too many witnesses – they also can’t say that since they were ‘off base’ and just ‘messing around’ that they should get a lighter sentence. The military OWNS you 24-7. — if it goes down as a Hate Crime they will certainly see jail time in a Feceral prison as well as an unhonorable discharge. This will certainly send a message to all branches of the military.

  10. Dearcomrade says

    It’ll be double trouble for these 4 grunts. Once the civilian courts get done with them the military will prosecute them under the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

    They most likely are on report already and having a very unpleasant time while the Corps waits on what the DA is going to do. These marines will get what they deserve.

  11. Rick says

    Well, I have a lot of questions.

    It hardly makes sense that four straight guys just decided to go to a gay bar to pick on the patrons.

    Did they know it was a gay bar?

    Did the guy who got beat up make a pass at one of them assuming that they were gay since–duh–why else would they be in a gay bar?

    Are we certain these 4 guys are straight and not gay, themselves? Again, if they were not, then why were they in a gay bar?

    How many other patrons were there? I hope to God the bar was empty or nearly empty–otherwise, this is just another example of gay men being a bunch of pathetic sissies for not going after the culprits, assuming they outnumbered the culprits by a wide margin…….and if you are not even willing to defend yourselves in your own spaces, why should anybody respect you?

    We need a lot more information to make a judgment about the situation.

  12. Bob R says

    If things are handled properly the Marines in question will face justice twice, once in civilian court and then before a military Courts Martial. The civil charges will be drunk, disorderly, assault and battery and hopefully a hate crime. If they are jailed, that time will not be counted as military time served. If there is an award of damages to the victim, the Marine’s will have their pay and allowances garnished by their Commanding Officer.

    Then once done with the civilian courts (both criminal and civil) they will face military justice, most likely a Court Martial which can also lead to imprisonment in the brig, reduction in rank, fines and worst of all, discharge under less than honorable conditions. That will mean total loss of ALL veterans benefits for life.

    I hope these four are dealt with in the most severe manor both civilly and militarily. The Marine Corps must establish a clear precedent if these types of incidents are to be stopped.

  13. jamal49 says

    @RICK You are one seriously, f*cked-up, self-loathing, pitiable, mean-spirited, miserable, little sissy-boy.

    Here’s a suggestion: kiss our collective, queer, Towleroad asses.

  14. Rick says

    @BOB R You are living in a fantasy world if you think any of that is going to happen. Guys get in fights all the time, especially Marines–it is part of the culture, as it has to be, given the profession they are in. And there is a high tolerance for it, as long as nobody was seriously debilitated or killed.

  15. FunMe says

    I know that bar from when I lived in Long Beach. It’s not in that big of space, but it is a popular bar. It’s also not around other gay bars as most are on Broadway. When you go in the bar, you KNOW it’s a gay bar as it attracts primarily gay men (vs. gay men and women).

    I wouldn’t be surprised if after drinking and getting drunk, one or more of the guys had a hard time being in a place where there were happy and good-looking gays having a good time, vs. being in the closet like some of them.

    Self-hate expressed in violence toward others is a horrible place to be. Those military guys belong in a jail for a long time. I really hope the Long Beach court throws the book at them and not only makes them pay for the victim’s medical bills but also throws a hate crime charge. Being that Long Beach is pretty gay friendly, that will probably happen. Now that DADT is gone, I hope they pay big time in the military, too.

  16. Rick says

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if after drinking and getting drunk, one or more of the guys had a hard time being in a place where there were happy and good-looking gays having a good time, vs. being in the closet like some of them.”

    @FUNME So you are suggesting that these guys were, in fact, gay, in which case there was no “hate crime” involved, but simply an altercation between two gay men, which might have been brought on by any number of factors.

    You say that you KNOW it is a gay bar as soon as you walk in……OK, well, I find it hard to believe that 4 straight guys are going to decide to stay in a gay bar and just hang out, once they realize that it is a gay bar–99% of the time, they will just leave, right? Right.

    So again, something doesn’t add up here.

  17. Francis says

    Rick, there have been NUMEROUS incidents like this for years. In 2010 I remember vividly about three similar incidents, one in the Stonewall Inn in NYC. And in Atlanta where two MARINES went into a gay bar and committed a hate crime. Interestingly enough it was later said by several others the guys were knowingly trolling for sex on the DL.

    The men said that this was their first time ever in a gay bar, Rick. Also they supposedly looked “very uncomfortable” with their surroundings. Doesn’t sound like gay men to me. I don’t think a gay man will go into a bar and call other patrons gay slurs and beat an innocent patron for no reason. I think you have enough sense to know that wouldn’t happen. And if these men are gay, then they’re self-hating and DL about it, which doesn’t at all change the circumstances of what occurred.

    Almost all the anti-gay hate crimes that have occurred by military personnel have been in the Marines. There is a reason the Marines were polled to be by far the least accepting of DADT repeal. The punishment these punks are gonna get should change some things.

  18. thom says

    …The Few..the Proud….The Closeted….Come on people. Did these creeps know they went into a gay bar? Maybe. Maybe not…When their time comes to speak they will inevitably lie about the whole thing. I wish a speedy recovery for the victim. I wish for extreme punishment for these cretins..I resent my tax dollars going to give them paychecks as soldiers who are supposed to serve and protect.They are low-lifes, pure and simple…they are type of human trash who would kick a puppy.
    Lock ’em up and let ’em rot. They are worth nothing to us.

  19. Rick says

    “Also they supposedly looked “very uncomfortable” with their surroundings”

    @Francis As I said, people who are uncomfortable with their surroundings simply leave. Nobody was forcing them to be there, after all.

    I have seen many, many, many cases over the years of straight people accidentally wandering into a gay ba–as I am sure we all have–and after looking around for a second or two and realizing that it is a gay bar, they head straight for the door.

    Again, it doesn’t add up.

    I would think some of you would have learned your lessons about jumping to conclusions after all the staged incidents of “hate crimes” we have seen lately all across the country. And you had better be careful, because if you continually “cry wolf” when there is no wolf, you lose credibility rapidly with the authorities and with society as a whole.

  20. says

    No doubt, those four so-called-marines, were drunk when they went in there and their main purpose was to try and impress:”hey look at me I’m in the military, and a marine too, aren’t you impressed.” (you can spot a military guy from a mile away, haircut, mannerisms, etc)So now people in the bar know they’re military so the four have to show how tough they are, so they start anti-gay name calling and finally end up beating a gay bar patron into unconsciouness. And they always attack in packs, like wolves, never alone, because in reality they are cowards. All four deserve jail time for commiting a hate crime and a dishonorable discharge from the marine corps.

  21. Mike says

    Two black young men beat up 2 gay older men in Long Beach in October this year. The two African Americans who beat them went on trial and were found guilty and are now in prison for years. They are being used by anti-gay Christian hate groups like NOM the National Organization for Marriage. NOM secret papers were exposed that said they are using blacks and Hispanics to do their dirty work. These anti-gay Christians who hate use uneducated minorities to commit crimes and then the poor blacks and Hispanics end up in prison with a record and one or more strikes that can keep them in prison for a long time. The anti-gay Christians who are behind this are not in prison yet they pull the strings that put blacks and Hispanics in prison while they walk free. You suckers are being used by anti-gay Christian hate groups who get millions of dollars from anti-gay Christians and you poor suckers who fall for their trick get prison, think about that for all of the years you are behind bars in prison.

  22. Rick says

    You know, you liberal limp-wristed sissies who worship fem divas will never learn. There are easy ways to combat these attacks. For example, when my dad would come a’molestin’ every night I’d withstand a few punches to the face, just like my whore mother would, and then would finally relent and start sucking.

    I’m skeptical of any story where there’s straight-on-gay violence because straight-on-gay violence is what I associate with family love. In case you hadn’t noticed. I’m seriously messed up.

  23. Carl Hardin says

    I to was a victim of a hate crime in february with swollen eyes broken nose broken bones around cheeks and broken eye socket but am a better man now and i really watch ever area that i am walking in and carry a pepper spray so those thugs needs to watch out for the PEPPER SPRAY MAN on the prowl police said that it was not a hae crime when nothing was taken at all.

  24. Inis says

    I’ve seen this movie before and this is what’s going to happen, not necessarily in this order: (1) The 4 soon-to-be-ex Marines will be convicted of their crimes in LA and pay fines/serve time in LA as appropriate to their degree of participation. (2) The victim will sue in civil court for damages to cover medical bills, pain and suffering and punitive damages and will win the suit outright if they are too stupid to not settle out of court first. (3) The 4 Marines will each face court marshal for conduct unbecoming (and possibly other charges under the UCMJ) and be Dishonorably discharged from the service and so will lose their pension and all other benefits.

    But at least the ex-Marines will be able to feel like real manly men for having ganged up 4-to-1 on a guy half their size.

  25. anony6 says

    @ Rick

    Gays CAN commit anti-gay hate crimes against other gays. The hate crime designation has to do with the motive of the crime, not whatever category the criminal belongs to.

  26. Rick says

    “I to was a victim of a hate crime in february with swollen eyes broken nose broken bones around cheeks and broken eye socket but am a better man now and i really watch ever area that i am walking in and carry a pepper spray so those thugs needs to watch out for the PEPPER SPRAY MAN on the prowl police said that it was not a hae crime when nothing was taken at all.”

    Did it ever occur to you just to fight back with your fists the way just about any self-respecting straight man would?

    No, it didn’t, did it? Not when you have learned to think of yourself as a pseudo-woman of inferior/non-existent masculinity who cannot defend yourself, right?

    How pitiful.

  27. Rick says

    “The two African Americans who beat them went on trial and were found guilty and are now in prison for years. They are being used by anti-gay Christian hate groups like NOM the National Organization for Marriage.”

    Yeah, that’s the ticket, because we all know that blacks and Latinos are not just homophobic to begin with….and we also know how readily they follow the commands of white, suburban Fundamentalists who want them to do their “dirty work”.

    Oh, the Far Left……so depraved but so hilarious at the same time…….just like the Far Right…….

  28. MateoM says

    Guys, just ignore Rick. He’s just trying to incite an argument with anti-femme, anti-woman, and pro-stereotypical heterosexual masculinity sentiments. That’s what trolls do: rile people up and drive the conversation away from the original topic. It’s a game to them. Just ignore the Rick/Jason/Ratbastards and they will eventually get bored and go away.

  29. Mike says

    @Rick – “Did the guy who got beat up make a pass at one of them assuming that they were gay since–duh–why else would they be in a gay bar?

    Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/09/marineslb.html#ixzz25crQNqf5

    Really??!!!? Gay panic as a justification? What’s next? Oh the girl was asking to get raped, it not his fault look how she was dressed… There is never, ever, EVER justification for being assaulted for making a pass at someone. And if asking if it was a gay bar, being told yes it is, and then remaining takes away any “gay panic” defense you could come up with. And even if all for marines were gay, it can still be a hate crime! There are plenty of gays that hate others gays because they are “too flaming”. What makes it a “hate crime” isn’t whether, or not you fall into the “same” category, it’s the motivation behind the crime. Was it motivated by your feelings toward a group, class, clan of individuals….

  30. Rick says

    “And even if all for marines were gay, it can still be a hate crime! There are plenty of gays that hate others gays because they are “too flaming”. What makes it a “hate crime” isn’t whether, or not you fall into the “same” category, it’s the motivation behind the crime. Was it motivated by your feelings toward a group, class, clan of individuals….”

    Utterly laughable. And here we get to the crux of the issue with some of you people. Your real goal, as always, is to eradicate masculine values from society and make the world safe for pu$$ies. Which isn’t going to happen.

    Fights between men are going to happen. They are part of life. Always have been, always will be. And in the absence of some kind of permanent damage being done to the “victim”, they are never going to be punished severely, nor should they be, in part because any self-respecting man will defend himself–and when he does, almost always, the fight will end fairly quickly, because others will step in to stop it.

    The only time they won’t step in is when he does not have enough self-respect to defend himself, as most effeminate gay men don’t–which is why they are always the ones that end up being knocked out or beaten to a pulp.

    They demonstrate no self-respect and therefore they don’t receive respect from others, including judges and jury members.

    As I am sure will be the case in this instance.

  31. Francis says

    Ignoring Rick’s disgusting bile (literally, it makes me nauseous reading his hate), the fact these guys are potentially closeted or whatever the case may be certainly DOES NOT change the parameters of what occurred here. Gay on gay hate crimes happen, and sadly happen too often. Really it’s not gay on gay, because the men who commit the hate crimes don’t identify as gay even if they are attracted to men. Gay/bisexual men can be violently homophobic.

    With that being said, these men probably aren’t gay if they said it’s the first time they’ve been to a gay bar and were noticeably uncomfortable. Either that or they’re deeply repressed. In any case, they’ve been caught, the victim is recovering with his BF and friends, and this is luckily a tragedy that looks to have some justice.

  32. TomTallis says

    That’s just around the corner from where we live. This is a heavily gay neighborhood (Bluff Heights/Alamitos Beach/Belmont Heights), so these “Marines” are even stupider than the average Republican. Camp Pendleton is 75 miles from here, so what they were doing here is anybody’s guess.

  33. Francis says

    The quick police reaction is as a result of this being in a highly gay-populated/accepting area. If this happened in one of the more Republican areas in Southern California, I would have expected little response.

    Here is a more in-depth portrayal of what went down the night these attackers beat the innocent bar patron:
    http://www.lbpost.com/news/2000000954-marines-involved-in-possible-hate-crime

    These guys were in the middle of the street, drunk and shouting gay slurs. 75 miles away from Camp Pendleton? First time in a gay bar and slurring patrons while in the bar? Targeting an innocent person to beat?

    These guys intentionally went into this gay bar to harass gay men. Obvious.

  34. Alan says

    “I would think some of you would have learned your lessons about jumping to conclusions after all the staged incidents of “hate crimes” we have seen lately all across the country. And you had better be careful, because if you continually “cry wolf” when there is no wolf, you lose credibility rapidly with the authorities and with society as a whole.”

    Right, except there were witnesses.

    “Did it ever occur to you just to fight back with your fists the way just about any self-respecting straight man would?

    No, it didn’t, did it? Not when you have learned to think of yourself as a pseudo-woman of inferior/non-existent masculinity who cannot defend yourself, right?

    How pitiful.”

    Did it ever occur to you that not everybody, even, *GASP*, straight men, can defend themselves adequately with just their fists, or that, maybe, he was attacked by several people? Of course not, you’re a judgmental, insensitive idiot. The only thing pitiful is your lack of humanity.

  35. Alan says

    “Fights between men are going to happen. They are part of life. Always have been, always will be. And in the absence of some kind of permanent damage being done to the “victim”, they are never going to be punished severely, nor should they be, in part because any self-respecting man will defend himself–and when he does, almost always, the fight will end fairly quickly, because others will step in to stop it.”

    What a load of bs. He wasn’t fighting them, he was assaulted. Also, even if someone does fight back against their attacker that’s no guarantee someone’s going to intervene.

    “The only time they won’t step in is when he does not have enough self-respect to defend himself, as most effeminate gay men don’t–which is why they are always the ones that end up being knocked out or beaten to a pulp.”

    Okay, internet tough guy, how well do you think you’d do in a “fight” against four Marines?

  36. says

    Alan, you’re arguing with Rick, who not only can fight with his own fists, but can’t even put a face to his comments.

    You’re literally giving too much credence to someone who lives vicariously though his anonymous internet handle.

    screw holding his own ina fight, Rick can’t even lead an openly-gay life.

  37. John says

    OK, I’m a Gay Marine and I work with the Marines who were invovled in this incident. This WAS NOT HATE MOTIVATED. The Marines work with me on a daily basis, they know I’m gay we talk about it all the time and they dont have a problem with it. They went to a house warming party that night, the party was winding down and they wanted to find a bar, The fox was closest and they didnt know it was a gay bar. They went into the bar had some drinks got into some kind of verbal exchange with the victim inside the bar. then they tried to leave. as they were leaving my friend was trying to light a cigarette outside, as he was trying to light his cigarette the victim was on the phone with 911 saying he was being harrassed and then made an anti military remark and told him to stop looking at him or something like that. the remark is what set the drunken Marine off. and it was one marine who got in the fight, it wasn’t all four of them beating up one kid the other three were bystanders, but I can’t guarantee that they weren’t egging it on. This is getting out of hand, but I can assure you it was not hate motivated, just a bar fight that got out of hand.

  38. Mike says

    One in four people are gay, the basher was most likely the gay one trying to prove he is not gay to his buddies. They think that if they act anti-gay people will think they are straight. Sort of like taking the blue pill every day to convince yourself and others that you are not gay when in reality you have already taken the red pill and can not escape the truth that you are gay, no matter how hard you try, people know you are gay. Time to come out of the closet and stand up with your brothers and sisters and and fight for equality and Civil Rights for all LGBT people and stop fighting the truth.

  39. EchtKultig says

    The is SO MUCH DRAMA. (as LC said in that hilarious MadTV Laguna Biotch skit.) I’m mainly talking about the discussion here.

    1) to the person who fake posts as Rick – stop it – it’s childish. Yes, his posts are usually idiotic, but that’s not a license for responses to be even more idiotic. Mike, 1 in 4 people are not gay. Saying things like that just makes us look ridiculous.

    2) Rick, as usual you take a miniscule grain of truth and magnify it into a boulder of stupidity. “Fights between men are going to happen.” This much is true…then you go way off the rails! One person versus 4 marines who were probably all 3 inches taller than him and 40 pounds heavier (I’m just guessing…) is not barroom fisticuffs. Also this statement: “any self-respecting man will defend himself–and when he does, almost always, the fight will end fairly quickly” is moronic. You need to see the movie Kids where the skaters beat the sh-t out of a ripped straight man who is certainly attempting to defend himself and would be able to in a fair fight – fights are not always fair.

    3) That being said, I don’t believe the account from “John” until otherwise documented. Things are usually what they seem, and this seems like 4 marines looking to gay bash someone. But if it IS true, it leads me to:

    4) Not to blame to victim, but, like the crazy old lady in Mulholland Drive sez, “if there’s trouble, get rid of it.” If 4 seemingly straight and very drunk marines walk into a gay bar, ignoring them is probably the best approach to this situation, and/or getting the bouncer to remove them. Most innocently, they want attention of some kind, sexual or otherwise, that they don’t really deserve. (a closeted marine needing a sexual outlet wouldn’t – or shouldn’t – bring a posse with him) IF this victim engaged them in a foolhardy manner, and that’s a BIG if, he should only have done so if he was darn sure other people had his back, or that he could defend himself. Poking the tiger is a bad idea but apparently 100% of people forget that after enough drinks. (Which is funny, because research shows alcohol doesn’t really make people as uninhibited as they think it does. Of course, we don’t know that alcohol was the only substance involved, on either side.)

  40. EchtKultig says

    BTW – google maps & yelp find several other bars in the general area, including some that are definitely straight.

    Which leads me to
    5) Wasted marines needing to get more wasted…please find a straight bar if you’re going to be “uncomfortable” in a gay bar.

  41. Brian Landry says

    My roommate was one of the witnesses and saw the entire attack.

    He is truly one of the most amazing men I know who is honest, noble, and unwavering in his integrity. A beautiful black, young, gay man who has always been an inspiration for our circle of friends because of his honesty and kindness. I would never question his account.

    From what he saw, these four marines were absolutely out for trouble and absolutely barbaric. Most of the witnesses were in complete shock with what they were observing. He said not only was the gay victim outnumbered, but the attackers were considerably larger than him (both in weight and height) and yes, gay slurs were shouted by the marines.

    The attack was unprovoked and none of the witnesses knew whether the marines were intoxicated or not, but they definitely seemed like a violent intolerant bunch, because everyone stated they had no reason to attack and seemed like they chose that bar for a reason. I’m so thankful that my friend and other witnesses were there and did see this horrific incident happen. He’s still shaken up about it and it didn’t even happen to him.

    There’s a lot of hate out there folks (my own boyfriend was hospitalized two years ago after being brutally gay bashed in Texas)…we need to stand together, stand as a galvanized community, and be a pillar of support for our gay brothers and sisters when they are in a situation like this.

  42. says

    I can pretty much confirm that “John” (aka one of the four thug marines, or the thug family members that raised them posting that message) is a bold faced liar, as is his commentary. Your claims of what happened in the bar is a fabricated lie. Ask any of the staff at the Silver Fox, some of whom I know well and they’ll tell you that’s not how it went down, and you know it. Tell your buddies (if you’re not one of them posting, which I believe you are) to stay out of gay bars if they clearly have unstable emotional issues, homophobia, and anger problems.
    there will be consequences for their actions that night. Here’s to hoping our justice system prevails in this case. I have every reason to believe, given the overwhelming evidence, that it will

  43. Mark says

    Because they are marines, and some of these marines have a necessity to exert power -bully-..hence going in this line of work, it’s not at all far fetched for marines to come back home and feel like they are
    A.) Above the law
    B.) Better than civilians

    Not all marines are like this. But there’s many people out there who’ve had less than pleasent experiences with marines who treat civilians like dirt, then want to be worshiped at the same time. Just because you chose to be a marine does not mean you can act like a dirt bag to people. Something some of these marines fail to get.

  44. Real Talk says

    There’s alotta messed up marines out there. our neighbor was one, he was honored and viewed as this local hero. with the town, and community and papers all rallying behind him because he was a marine. no one ever questioning his actions or him. just showering him with constant love, gifts, accolades. soon later it was revealed he was beating both his wife and kids who were terrified to tell anyone. when they did tell anyone, no one believed them, because he was a marine, and locals wanted to sustain his reputation. after some investigations, it was revealed he was a wife beater and child abuser. while being a marine is great, it does not mean we automatically have to give the person the benefit of the doubt. in fact, there have been manyyy stories of not so good people joining the marines just to deflect from their horrible actions and practices and get that benefit of the doubt from the public.

  45. Lipstick Diva says

    I’ve been following this story closely, as there’s some local attention given to it, and more and more info coming, and with each new evidence it’s painfully obvious these four guys were out to start chaos. Their intentions are more than obvious. They should be ashamed.

    What I fear will happen, as it’s happened so frequently in the past, is the unit and authorities will just sweep this under the rug because of who these four men are. Here’s hoping local LGBT and residents of all kinds make sure that doesn’t happen. Put pressure to make sure they face consequences for their actions.

  46. Francis says

    “They got into some verbal exchange with the victim inside the bar.”

    What does that equal? They used gay slurs and were belligerent, the victim and other patrons felt uncomfortable, called the 911, maybe said some things in RESPONSE to the homophobic epithets that were used against them, and drama ensued. That basically falls in line with what has been reported. Lets be realistic, a small gay man is not going to intentionally rile up a Marine. At the end of the day, this incident was provoked by the four Marines. John, your fellow Marines who you work with and consider friends really aren’t as friendly towards gay folk as you may think. And I know a decent amount of gay/bi (open and closeted) Marines myself but the reality is, there have been several anti-gay incidents involving Marines over the past few years.

    This is a horrible situation and the four Marines involved do not deserve a cover for what they did.

  47. says

    @ John

    I’d do my best to get your post removed if I were you, as your account of what happened does far more to damage your marine friends case then actually make them appear innocent. What you outlined is your marine friends being fully guilty of what happened. I also don’t believe for one second that you are gay. When you google search this story, towleroad and this link is one of the first links that comes up. Nice try in attempting to defend your chemically imbalanced friends. Also, next time you have one of those daily talks with them, be sure to ask how it feels that their lives are potentially ruined, reputations tarnished, paying thousands in court fines and attorney fees, and this incident attached to their names all because they wanted to be machismo wack jobs and start trouble. Hope it was worth it.

  48. Steve-ATL says

    John-
    I love when friends and family come here to defend someone they know against anti gay crimes. As if your friend will confess to being intolerant toward some gays to you. Just because someone has a gay acquintance does not mean they are incapable of intolerance toward gays. And nothing you said adds up. NOTHING

    * These same four marines talk to you about you being gay ALL THE TIME? Why? That’s suspect. And actually, their fixation could make a solid argument for their obsession with gays. No straight man friend of mine comfortable in his skin needs to talk to me “all the time” about me being gay unless he was uncomfortable about it “all the time” and needed reassurance I wouldn’t hit on him.

    * They didn’t know it was a gay bar? On the comments section of another article on NBC News, many are reporting that within minutes of entering this establishment, you know it’s a gay bar. They also told staff this is their first time in a gay bar, in an uncomfortable manner. The staff also noted something strange about their mannerisms and attitude, like they were plotting. Again, what you said doesn’t add up.

    * You say some kind of verbal exchange with the victim took place in the bar. And the other marines were probably egging it on. That little piece of info speaks volumes. They went in there and started drama. The victim had every right to non violently react, which by your own admission and admission of other witnesses, he did not get violent at all. Sounds like your friends were instigating him to get him to say something, anything, just to have an excuse to beat him.

    * a remark is what “set them off” first of all, who the heck do they think they are that they can get “set off” and physically attack another human for a remark. Guess what, you may be in the marines and think you can “go off” as you please, but in this country, we have a right to make any remark in relation to harassment we’re enduring. what you DON’T have a right to do is violently attack someone or put your hands on them. That rules applies to you guys as well.

    This was no bar fight. Your buddies have a sense of entitlement because they are marines, hetero, and think they are better than both civilians and gays. They thought because they are hetero marines, they could put a few gay civilians in their place. Their karma caught up with them. Now you guys will really have something to talk about in your daily, constant conversations with them asking you about being gay. Except hopefully they’ll be behind bars.

  49. K.B says

    Stev-ATL.

    AMEN! Well said brother.

    Enough of our LGBT brothers & sisters have been villified and attacked by mostly straight men. we need to speak out against injustice when we can and stand together.we’re a beautiful, diverse community and I’m truly sick of reading stories like this. these marines have zero honor.

  50. Mendoza says

    There’s been countless homophobic incidents both on and off base within the marines-army. so let’s stop pretending this is an isolated incident. One google search will prove incidents like this unfortunately happen all too often.

  51. lazerlightbeams says

    Ask any LGBT Texan. This stuff used too, and still does, happen alllll the time in Texas outside gay bars. ALL the time. And yeah, it would often be servicemen. They’d think it be fun to go to local gay joints and mess with the gays. It would always end ugly because of course gays wouldn’t appreciate homophobes coming to our areas and acting like intolerant, ignorant bigots. what group of people wouldn’t react to another demographic coming to their safe haven and provoking them? if the KKK went to the annual Latino Music festival I attend out here, I’m sure it wouldn’t be pretty. but time and time again, these servicemembers would target gay bars around town, come in groups, want to start trouble, and when anyone gave them the slightest bit of justified attitude back, they’d attack, and attack bad. They try to terrorize a community. When they are really supposed to be protecting and serving all.

  52. John says

    I didn’t lie about anything and I am a Gay Marine and I do work with the guys and still stand by what I said. They may have been uncomfortable, they do look intimidating, they’re all childhood friends from inner-city Chicago. MY MAIN POINT IS THAT THEY DIDN’T BEAT UP THIS GUY BECAUSE HE IS GAY. IT WAS JUST A BAR FIGHT. Now I don’t know, they may have been looking for a fight? I wasn’t there, but even if they were looking for a fight, like the idiots that they are, a fight is assault, it wasn’t a hate crime or a crime against gays in general, it was just a person who got in an argument with another person, and his friends made the stupid mistake of getting involved while the victim’s apparent friends and boyfriend stoodby

  53. John says

    I’m also offended that my identity and sexuality is coming into debate here. John is my real first name, and if you are really that curious I can post my facebook information.

  54. Rick says

    “They may have been uncomfortable, they do look intimidating, they’re all childhood friends from inner-city Chicago”

    Oh, Lord…..so it was 4 black guys? (I probably should have guessed as much)

    Going into a bar with–presumably–mostly white customers?

    Well, then the motivation may well have been racial rather than homophobic (or some combination of the two)–and THAT would not surprise me.

    And thanks, media…..and Towleroad…..yet again, for “overlooking” the fact that this was apparently 4 black guys attacking a white guy, which is, of course, totally irrelevant to the story (sarcasm intended).

  55. Francis says

    Really? Where the hell did anything about these men being black come up?

    Oh wait. That’s yet another Rick fabrication. To justify his racism. Always finds a way to wiggle either misogyny, anti-fem/anti-trans or racist sentiment into a post, regardless of the subject matter.

    John, at the end of the day, nothing you say has at all been backed up by ANY witness. Both those in the bar and those outside of the bar. And if you don’t know if they were or were not looking for a fight then you really shouldn’t be categorically saying this isn’t a hate crime. Because all evidence points to the fact these guys did go to the bar looking for a fight.

    John, there is a difference between your garden variety bar fight and an assault, especially a hate assault. Beating up an INNOCENT gay man because he said something in response to being slurred by four straight Marines is not justification for what your friends did. Calling this innocent gay man gay slurs WHILE beating him is a hate crime. The friends of the main thug got involved because they’re thugs too. Your friends are clearly the ones in the wrong. You’ll have to accept that, John.

  56. says

    lGay bar or not, these Marines had NO business beating on another person! And I agree that most str8s who walk into a gay bar either have no problem & stay or they quickly & quietly got back where they came from. I see it all the time. So it seems to me that, these men were looking for trouble from the start.

    What I’m not sure about is when the military has jurisdiction over crimes against civilians. How do they decide if/when to prosecute under UCMJ? I, read about local crimes committed military members but don’t often hear about any court martial.

  57. william says

    Regardless if any of the previous posts of accounts were true or not, what needs to happen by the marines leadership is the following:

    1) make an example out of them. Whether it was a hate-related crime, or just drunken stupidity (or both), put them in front of their peers and make an example out of them.

    2) condemn the behavior in a PUBLIC forum. don’t just slap them on the wrist in the background. make it a point to the rest of their peers/collegues/units, that this type of behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

    in order to prevent this from happening again in any branch of service, LEADERSHIP needs to be on the ball and tell anyone/everyone underneath them that this cannot go on. This is similar to the sexual assault cases in the AF — leadership needs to go public and address everyone that this is unacceptable conduct.

  58. Kyle says

    John,
    STFU you hetero worshipping apologist. Like the gay kid in school who was a bystandard to other gay kids getting bullied, ONLY reason you are defending these THUGS is because they pretend to be nice to you, you souless sell out. So long as you’re covered you couldnt give two shts about other gays. I hope your ‘friends’ lives are permenantly ruined. And heres to you getting gay bashed soon some day too.

  59. Greg Cali says

    John, you are a Grade A idiot. You werent there and are taking their word for fact. OF COURSE they wouldnt be stupid enough to confess to you they got drunk and picked fights with gays becase deep down they have anti gay notions. OF COURSE they wouldnt reveal that to you, a gay guy, sherlock! You were not there so stop acting like you were. The evidence and witnesses an bar employees and victim accounts speak the truth.

    Oh and btw “John” you are the gay friend the Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and these homophobic hood rats will claim as having while they claim because you stand by them, they couldnt possibly be gay. Afterall, they have a weak ass friend in a weak ass guy like you. Idiot.

  60. CJ says

    John,
    They may have been uncomfortble, they may have started exchanging words with gay patrons, they may have been uncomfortable being in a gay bar they did start a physical fight with these gay men. Those are all according to you. So gee- umm sounds to me like your sick friends wanted to act like homophobic criminals because they ARE homophobic criminals. Hope they serve in jail and don’t ever serve in the marines. This story is all over CNN, huffington post, MSNBC and thousands of media outlets.

  61. Mendoza says

    John,
    How do you feel about your O so gay friendly (and uncomfortable around gays according to you) are violently attacking a gay man while all of them are calling him gay slurs. Gosh, I sure would love to kick their ass and call them N*ggers. But then you would be the first to call Jesse Jackson and Al sharpton and call me a racist. Double standard pig.

  62. Johan says

    I am shocked to hear that something like this would happen at the “Fox”. I am a patron and usually find myself there on sunday nights. Its no accident the jar heads ended up there. They were there, probably acting all tough, and looking for some attention and posibly a good time! (Who would turn down a brawny, muscle-ripped Marine, right?). Its such a shame, but im glad those jar head closet queens were arrested! Charlie is a hero, and one the sweetest guys around!

  63. LBCop says

    To John who says he’s a gay Marine. I was there. I can’t talk about the details but whatever your buddies, that were involved, said to explain their version of what happened, is not true. The details will come out along with statements the Marines said under their Miranda rights, which should, in any court, be considered a hate crime. Plus independent witnesses that observed the whole incident are consistant with what was said to police by those involved. And no, I’m not gay. I just won’t tolerate discrimination of any kind. That’s what the good citizens of Long Beach hired me for. To help and protect those who are victims and arrest those who victimize.

  64. justiceday says

    The gay community needs to realize that Camp Pendleton is teaching these marines hate towards the gay community and women.

    Our friend was raped by a camp Pendleton marine and had witnesses and also reported marines going after gay men and was ignored about everything!

    Camp Pendleton needs to be investigated for all their violations of human rights.
    This congressman has been made aware of everything including a Camp Pendleton Sgt. Major telling the rape victim, when he was laughing at her, that the marines don’t let in gays! This was after DADT was repealed!

    http://theusmarinesrape.com/
    http://theusmarinesrape.com/FaceBook.html
    http://www.citizensagainstmarkcritz.com/

  65. brianbrowers says

    The miliatary probably wont do a thing unless pressured by the real world to do something.
    How innocent was this fag who got a beatdown? Why were these Marines in a queer bar? Assume they were homosexuals.
    To many questions

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