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  1. s. says

    The catholic church attempts to hold on to it’s power (money) through the promotion of fear. This is what it has done since the beginning. The EGO holds on tight to those reins – but, the horse died years ago. Forgive the fearful and ignorant for they know not what they do.

  2. nick says

    Fear and intimidation -always the cornerstone of Catholic bishops. Shut up until you honestly confront your own sins and quit dabbling in politics lest you might have to start paying taxes-

  3. Bob says

    I am not telling you what party to vote for, but your soul is in danger if you vote Democrat………..

    NEEDS TO BE REPORTED TO ILLINOIS AUTHORITIES — unless he has placed the churches on the tax rolls.

  4. Al says

    Couldn’t both parties be seen as promoting actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful? The church is against the death penalty and abortion.

    I guess the bishop is telling everyone to just not vote.

  5. peter says

    Since the advent of that ‘saint’, JPII, the Catholic Church has been backing away from its activist position of working for Social Justice. Under Ratzinger, it has again become the church that covertly supplied Vatican funds to Hitler and his Brown Shirts during the Beer Hall Putsch in 1924.

  6. PAUL B. says

    I’m sorry, but all I could think about while watching this little twirp was ramming my hard junk down his throat and watching his eyes roll back as I shot right into his mouth.
    Wow…that felt good to say !!

  7. Rob says

    And we are supposed to give a crap about what these child molesters say. Why are they given any credibility anymore in this world. This institution has over and over and over again proven through it’s actions and deeds of it’s employees’s that it may be the instrinsic evil among us.

  8. PAUL B. says

    I took a few minutes…googled “irs/catholic church investigations”. Got lots of good info and several complaint forms there. It takes 5 minutes to fill one out. Just think what would happen if we all did that !!! Name names, link videos !

  9. BillinSonoma says

    All these American bishops should have a great little reunion in the warm beyond. They’ve gotten so far afield of the basic Christian Doctrine. I somehow think that calling parishoners ‘intrinsically evil’ might fall short of Jesus’ expectations ….

  10. dc20008 says

    Ahh the Romans again professing hate. Perhaps this “Bishop” should be reminded that what he preaches is relevant only to Roman Catholics and very few of them would even give a damn.

  11. bandanajack says

    this is the shizz we were concerned about with john f kennedy, rome, and the clergy trying to call the shots for government. we weren’t so wrong after all

  12. Pete N SFO says

    Their tax exempt status remains intact as long as they don’t endorse or condemn a particular candidate.

    Consider that Latinos are likely the only group still active in the Khurch. And they mostly don’t identify w/ Rethuglicans. It won’t be long til they start leaving the pews as well. In fact, in Boston, they closed a well attended churche b/c the parishioners (latin) weren’t coughing up enough cash.

    The Episcopalians really need to step up their marketing.

  13. Bob says

    Report these anti-gay Christians to the IRS for violation of their tax exempt status if they get involved in politics and these anti-gay Christians need to start paying taxes like everybody else for violating that law.

  14. SC David says

    Back when body language was studied more formally, it was believed that someone steepling his hands as shown in the still is expressing through his body language his opinion that he is greatly superior to you. This man looks so very special in his purple and black and gold. Intrinsically evil, in fact.

  15. Andrew says

    If only there actually existed a place like hell, so that people like Thomas Paprocki and scores and scores of his fellow Catholic bishops could burn for placing tens of thousands of children’s innocence at risk by pedophile priest they secretely moved around to avoid detection and prosecution. The Catholic bishops are lucky that hell is a myth because it would be their final destination.

  16. Andrew says

    @Rodney Wallam: THE politically active Catholic church keeps its tax exemptions for the same reason that politically active African American Churches and politically active White fundamentalists and evangelical churches keep their exemptions. American politicians know that it is political suicide to touch them. The majority of American voters still believe in the silly myths of the Abrahamic religions. Religious leaders know this and they enjoy their free ride.

  17. Erin says

    Think about this for a minute… A woman is beyond 19 weeks pregnant when the woman’s cervix is dilated, and an abortionist grabs the baby’s leg with forceps. He then proceeds to pull the baby into the birth canal and delivers the baby’s body, feet first, all but the baby’s head. At this point, the abortionist inserts a sharp object into the back of the baby’s head, removes it, and inserts a vacuum tube through which the brains are sucked out. The head of this tiny baby collapses at this point and allows the aborted baby to be delivered lifelessly. How is it possible that we live in a world where people think that this is okay? Our president sees no wrong in this sick procedure…In fact, if a baby is “accidentally” born alive after having this procedure done, Barack Obama believes we should deny treatment to that child as well. How can we vote for this Nazi when he goes against one of our fundamental beliefs? Good job, Bishop Thomas John! Way to stand up and call the cafeteria Catholics out! I am Christian first, and my votes will reflect my Catholic beliefs!! I am very proud to be a part of the Springfield Catholic Diocese!

  18. Alan says

    @Erin
    You are an ignorant sheep if you think anything that you just said actually happens. By the way, the Nazis outlawed abortion, and you support a church that allows pedophilia. You have no moral high ground.

  19. Erin says

    @Alan What do you think a partial birth abortion is??? Unfortunately our president has voted that it should be a legal procedure… Also, the Nazis had no problem putting pregnant women in gas chambers- what’s the difference? I’m sorry if you are blind to the fact that we live in a sick world, but unfortunately this procedure does happen… Let that lie in your conscience on election day.

  20. Rob says

    hahahahaha. Intrinsic Evil is made up Catholic BS. If you vote for the Democrats Satan will have your soul and you will be damned to hell! Come on! You think adults are really going to listen to this horse crap. Pope Rat Face really has laid down the crazy.

  21. Yupp says

    The Catholic Church in the U.S. should soon go the way of Ireland’s Church, where they hold no moral authority whatsoever anymore, and Catholic Church attendance is down around to only about 20 percent of what it was forty years ago. When they weren’t covering up for child molesters, they were still a mean bunch beating children in schools (both priests and nuns). So it was inevitable that people would, eventually, say enough-is-enough. What amazes me is people like this Paprocki actually believing it’s still 1950 and that he, and the Church, has some kind of right/authority/credibility to actually go ahead and tell his church members how to vote!

  22. David says

    Erin, in response to your question, “How is it possible that we live in a world where people think that this is okay?” People think it’s ok when the mother’s life is endangered and pretty much only then. A horrible solution to an unthinkable problem. For you to bring that up in this context shows you to be a propagandist and nothing more.

  23. Yupp says

    Erin : Anyway, some people, like myself, are anti-abortion (I find it offensive and could never be involved with it myself) but still pro-choice (I don’t want women going to quack doctors in “back alleys”). And it’s only one issue out of so many in my deciding who to vote for.

  24. Yupp says

    But aside from the abortion issue, the same-sex marriage issue should have NOTHING to do with Paprocki. He himself isn’t being forced to perform those ceremonies, nor is the Catholic Church (which is how it should be).

  25. says

    That kiddie-diddler wants the Catholic Church to have it’s say in politics, but it still wants to be tax exempt. Sorry, Bishop Pop Rocks, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too. You want to dictate law, then you better start paying your share for it.

  26. PAUL B. says

    @Erin…do yourself a big favor before you go shooting your foolish mouth off and check the facts. Is the procedure legal in very special situations…YES. And if you’re daughter was going to die if this legal procedure was her only option for survival? Let me guess…let god decide. Well, go right ahead. You do that.

  27. Erin says

    @Paul
    The key word you said was…DELIVERY ROOM- not abortion clinic. Since you’re such an expert, can you please explain to me how partial birth abortions are done? It is a real procedure and it HAS been voted on in our legislature. Look it up!
    @ David
    That’s the typical liberal response. It’s easier to use clean and sterile, warm and fuzzy terms like “women’s rights” and “reproductive choices” and not talk about the end results and consequences of those “choices.” Despite how it is worded, the end result ends up with a dead baby. But at the end of the day, it is very much in context. What do you think the Bishop was talking about, Barack Obama’s energy policies? (which are an abysmal failure too, but that’s a topic for another time.)
    FACT: Partial-birth abortion is never necessary to save the life of the mother. In fact, it exposes women to additional and substantial health risks. Former Surgeon General Koop explained that “Partial birth abortion is never medically necessary to protect a mother’s health or her future fertility.”

  28. Erin says

    No offense, Yupp, but at least my tax dollars wouldn’t be paying for “back alley” abortions. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want them to happen, but I don’t want my tax dollars paying for abortions either.
    And as far as the marriage issue goes…

    mar·riage/ˈmarij/
    Noun:
    The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.

    It’s not our place to change the definition of marriage.
    This does not mean I am anti-gay. In fact, I have many gay friends.

  29. Steveinde says

    Lately, I’ve been on this Christ-like (as opposed to “Christian,” which is completely unrelated) kick of trying to see the best in people.

    All I can come up with in this case is, “Smell her!”

  30. David says

    Erin: “Defending the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban… requires arguing to judges that pulling a fetus from a woman’s body in dismembered pieces is legal, medically acceptable, and safe; but that pulling a fetus out intact, so that if the woman wishes the fetus can be wrapped in a blanket and handed to her, is appropriately punishable by a fine, or up to two years’ imprisonment, or both.” Didn’t really want to go there, but since you brought it up. Just another attempt at more anti-women policy from the right-wing. We’re really tired of you.

  31. Icebloo says

    If religions are going to get involved in politics like this then they NEED TO PAY TAXES just like other profit making businesses.

    NO MORE SPECIAL TREATMENT !

    The Catholic Church and the Mormons have amassed BILLIONS over the decades. They have private jets, private hospitals and even private airports. If they can afford to pay for these AND put MILLIONS into political campaigns then they can afford to pay their share of taxes.

    They are making BILLIONS of untaxed revenue each year from investing on the stock markets. TAX IT !

    They have so much money in stock markets around the world that if they are able to control politicians and influence laws by threatening to pull out their billions and crash the stock markets if they don’t get what they want. RELIGIONS ARE DICTATING OUR LAWS !

    It’s time to TAX THEM ALL.

  32. millerbeach says

    So I should vote for the heretic? Jesus would not like that. Do the clergy of the Catholic Church know what a heretic is? I do. They have indeed lost their marbles.

  33. Andrew says

    Many, including myself, criticize the Catholic church for engaging in politics and keeping its tax exempt status. Now lets hear the same level of criticism of the African American Protestant churches which are often little more than democratic party rallies. Lets hear the same level of criticism of White Fundamentalists and Evangelical churches which are often little more than right wing Republican rallies.

  34. Marty says

    Erin, sweetie, on the whole “cafeteria catholic” thing:

    “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” – 1 Timothy 2:11-15

    You can’t simply choose which parts of the Bible to believe, Erin. Wait, why I am even talking to you? You have no place in a theological discussion, and you can’t even argue with me because the Bible says you can’t, so SHUT YOUR MOUTH! Men are talking.

    We’ll just talk amongst ourselves and let you know what can be done with your vagina. In fact, let’s crack that Bible again and see what god thinks are appropriate ways for men to deal with the vaginas in their lives…

    God have mercy on your soul, Erin.

  35. Tom says

    Hypocritical nonsense coming from this silly little man. He needs to be looking in his own “back yard” the Catholic church for all the mess coming out of there…starting with the pedofiles!

  36. David says

    Andrew, the main difference between the Vatican and the others is they have their own bank, which allows for all sorts of malfeasance. Otherwise, I don’t really want my rights being denied by Fundamentalists of any stripe or color.

  37. truthteller says

    This guy just discarded the fundamental tenet of Christianity; that the wages of sin are death but that Jesus took on the sins of the world and died on the cross so you don’t have to. All you have to do is believe and you are SAVED! John 3:16- That’s all anyone has to do- Believe.

    Therefore, we are saved by grace and not by works, least any man should boast.

    Grace is what Jesus did on the cross and works is what we do, like voting for the right guy, to try to gain salvation.

    I am not promoting Christianity, just pointing out the anti-Christ message this man is sending.

  38. millerbeach says

    @Erin…are you an OBGYN? I didn’t think so. My brother is, he says there CAN be medicinal reasons for a late-term abortion. NOT for birth control reasons, but for medical reasons. I believe my brother over you. He spent 12 years in college, med school, and his residency. But, since you aren’t a doctor, you have no idea of the hard work he had to do to get that education, to get that title of “Doctor”. They don’t pass that title out like lollypops at the bank. What is your education, sweetie? Faux News talking points? Better sharpen your brain…it’s mighty dull right now.

  39. arch says

    Whilst everyone, even catholic priests, are entitled to their views, it is quite another thing to use the power of an established church with loyal followers to alter the outcome of a national election in a democracy. This seems to me to overstep the mark in a quite big fashion.

    If a bishop attempted such a thing here in the UK there would be hell to pay – glad to see that so many of the other posters on this article, whom I assume are americans, hold the same view of this type of clerical interference in the US presidential vote.

    No one, not even God, is allowed to look over your shoulder in voting booth. (and if I found this bishop looking over my shoulder in a booth of any kind I would call the police…)

  40. Daniel Berry, NYC says

    If they keep this up, before long the SPLC will be including the Roman clergy in their list of hate groups.

    Funny thing about this is that according to the gospels, Jesus was practically obsessive about our duty to our neighbor and taking care of the most vulnerable–you know: those whom the republicans trample all over every chance they get. Strangely, the bishops seem not to have a word to say about that in this election cycle. Conversely, the gospels record no words of Jesus concerning gay people (or, for that matter, family planning) but the Roman clergy can’t seem to stop obsessing about *those* so-called issues. Passing strange.

  41. 1♥ says

    So, Bishop Thomas John Paprocki, and the poster, Erin, wants everyone to vote for the pro-war Republicans because killing people in a war is good but Gays having equal rights is sinful.
    Please, Erin, tell us how supporting the pro torture and pro war Republican party is better than supporting the pro equality party.
    P.S. I’m not a Democrat

  42. Diogenes Arktos says

    @Erin: why should the RC belief that personhood begins at conception be given the force of law, when other good Christians believe that personhood doesn’t begin until the first breath? How about considering the Jewish and Islamic positions? Part of Roe v Wade was the acknowledgement of no clear consensus on the start of personhood. I wish we all would take note of St Augustine (5th century CE bishop): he hoped no one would have the hubris to define when personhood began.

  43. Andrew K says

    He’s completely ignoring the Republicans have widely supported the death penalty, unjust war, and torture. if those aren’t intrinsically evil i don’t know what is.

  44. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

    Bishop, “woe to you when all men speak well of you..” Luke 6:26. I applaud you for speaking your opinion. Seems like there are those who still resent the messenger as well as the Master’s message. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.

  45. says

    he shows his own lack of understanding of the religious scriptures he pretends to live by and preach.

    in following his logic….how, pray tell, does a Republican cast a vote for Jesus?

    who would Jesus deny healthcare to? or how much would He charge?

    the GOP’s fiscal policies are a direct contradiction to the messages attributed to Christ.

    Sodom? not one mention of homosexuality. ezekiel 16 – it’s explicitly clear that the “sin” is greed and the hoarding of wealth.

    so, if you vote GOP, you’re contributing to creating a modern-day Sodom. At least, scripturally speaking.

    but hey, i gave up on expecting logic and reason and consistency from the RCC years ago.

  46. Diogenes Arktos says

    @LittleKiwi: It’s amazing how some of the Religious Right can contort the NT into supporting their positions. Such as Jesus would have opposed the minimum wage.

  47. Jerry6 says

    COME ON FOLKS, the real reason the “Church” is against abortion and Homosexuality, is that both, generally, result in fewer children to be raised to be dues paying members of the “Church”. Extended to the future, this means that the Pope,etc, will have less money to live their life style without really producing anything worthwhile in the marketplace. As always with the Church, it is Money, Money Money; First and Foremost.

  48. says

    what we all need to remember is that in EVERY country around the world the political parties that run on “anti-gay and anti-abortion” campaigns do so for a VERY specific reason; their fiscal policies will screw over their voting base.

    that’s it. it’s that simple. in EVERY nation.

    people who don’t have the brains to understand fiscal policies and taxation, but believe that “Abortions lead to gay muslims giving your sons AIDS in church”

    or something.

    when your party starts talking negatively about “the gays” it’s the number one indicator that they can’t talk to you honestly about FINANCE.

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