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Joe Biden Commands the Facts over Paul Ryan in Debate: VIDEO

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What are everyone's thoughts on the debate?

Who won? Joe Biden? Paul Ryan? Martha Raddatz?

A bunch of clips, via TPM, AFTER THE JUMP...

IMHO Martha Raddatz did an amazing job driving this debate. Biden took control when he needed to. The pundits are trying to sell it as a "draw" but you can't argue with the facts, and Biden didn't allow Ryan a moment to maintain the Romney campaign's falsehoods. Biden's smiles and laughing may have bothered some but they also made him come across more human and authentic, while Ryan's demeanor was stuck in a board room.

On the 47%, taxes, and the stimulus.

Biden calls "malarkey" on defense cuts. Ryan claims Biden is "under duress" talking about Medicare.

Biden calls out Ryan "Jack Kennedy" comment on taxes, joust on Libya.

On Social Security privatization.

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  1. It was Joe Biden's night. He did for Obama what Obama failed to do for himself. But it goes to show that Obama's main strength is that he knows who to hire. Even though both Hillary and Joe were his opponents in the primaries he hired both of them for the top two spots in his administration. And his wisdom in hiring Joe Biden was fully demonstrated tonight.

    Posted by: i could go on, but I won't | Oct 11, 2012 11:16:06 PM


  2. Trying to comment but Biden keeps interrupting me. Thought it was a draw. Biden was laughing when he was talking about nuclear weapons and Iran kind of creepy. Ryan was calm but could have been a little stronger.

    Posted by: Name: | Oct 11, 2012 11:18:30 PM


  3. Biden needed to interrupt anytime Ryan lied, which was constantly. Biden clobbered him.

    Posted by: Troy | Oct 11, 2012 11:27:44 PM


  4. Ryan is in the recovery room and don't need to worry Obamacare is taking care of him! Good job Joe Biden!

    Posted by: Josh | Oct 11, 2012 11:28:22 PM


  5. Biden won the debate, no contest. Ryan didn't even seem like he showed up to the right event.

    Just compare the demeanour of both guys. Biden was on top of the facts (and Romney-Ryan's lies) and didn't let Ryan get away with any of it. Ryan clearly wasn't expecting this, and had a deer-in-the-headlights lost-little-fratboy look on his face for most of the night.

    I couldn't believe Ryan admitted that abortion could well be made illegal under a Romney presidency, particularly given what they'll do to the Supreme Court. Wow. THAT's how unnerved he was by Biden's superior performance.

    Of course, the media wants a "draw", so that's what they've declared, even before polling viewers.

    Posted by: Randy | Oct 11, 2012 11:29:57 PM


  6. Ryan won. All Biden did was laugh and get testy throughout the whole thing. Ryan kept his composure while being clear and forceful at the same time. It was a closer draw than the first debate, but Ryan won.

    Posted by: EJR43 | Oct 11, 2012 11:30:24 PM


  7. It's always going to be much harder for a Democrat on US TV. The Republicans OWN 98% of the media here so they slant the view.

    I don't agree Obama lost the first debate but the right wing media got their story out first so everyone just went along with it because most people are morons and want someone else to do their thinking for them.

    I think Biden did a great job. He managed to show he has WAY more experience than Paul Ryan. Ryan looked like a deer caught in the headlights. He isn't ready for the world stage at all. He's still a little boy trying too hard to impress his friends.

    Biden also did a good job of highlighting that the budget planned by Paul Ryan DOES NOT ADD UP. So many independent financial organizations have been telling us for MONTHS that Ryan's plan doesn't add up at all.

    Of course when I turn on the Republican owned media tomorrow they will say Ryan won. It's all so so predictable.

    Posted by: Icebloo | Oct 11, 2012 11:36:55 PM


  8. Ryan = Biden's lunch.

    Posted by: David R. | Oct 11, 2012 11:51:12 PM


  9. Oh yeah, nothing says sincere like hair plugs, botox, and capped teeth. You guys are hilarious. If you'd never seen Biden before tonight you'd be making fun of him as ridiculous.

    Posted by: MarkUs | Oct 11, 2012 11:53:52 PM


  10. Martha won, Biden came second. Ryan gets the special prize for "enthusiasm and participation".

    Biden kept laughing at the outrageousness of Ryan's answers - lots of little thought bubbles filled with nothing but air.

    Posted by: elegir | Oct 11, 2012 11:55:34 PM


  11. I was more impressed with Ryan. He could be just as snarkly as Biden, but his overall demeanor was more grounded, his tone was much clearer and he never like Biden get the best of him (despite how much he continuously tried.) Even during that delicate abortion segment, which I don't much agree with he and Romney about, I was impressed with the way he treaded.

    Biden came off like a crotchety and frustrated old man, who was annoyed by the questions and seemed more my like a "Republican" than Ryan in his answers. Much of his attitude was "let's not focus of what's wrong, let's focus on what's right!"

    Posted by: Anthony | Oct 11, 2012 11:59:02 PM


  12. Biden is the clear winner. He called Ryan out on his lies, and he gave more details than Ryan did.

    Posted by: Alan | Oct 11, 2012 11:59:33 PM


  13. I started watching midway through. At first I thought Ryan was stealing the show, but as I watched for a few minutes, he started to come off as very smug and phony. (Did anyone else wanna smack that pretentious smirk off his face?) Admittedly, Ryan is a strong speaker—he speaks with great clarity and confidence, but I felt Biden was genuine and that his arguments held more weight than Ryan's rehearsed monologues. People are saying that Biden was "feisty" and kept interrupting Ryan, but it seemed like Ryan was talking for minutes at a time! I guess if I had to choose a "winner" its Biden, but only by a small margin.

    Posted by: Michael | Oct 12, 2012 12:03:55 AM


  14. Biden won but not clearly. Yes he killed in facts and response and honestly in believability BUT his demeanor for the first 45 easily lost some independents. Hopefully they stuck around for when he got serious.

    That damned smile can cost a lot of votes.

    Posted by: io.caprone | Oct 12, 2012 12:11:58 AM


  15. Biden won but not clearly. Yes he killed in facts and response and honestly in believability BUT his demeanor for the first 45 easily lost some independents. Hopefully they stuck around for when he got serious.

    That damned smile can cost a lot of votes.

    Posted by: io.caprone | Oct 12, 2012 12:12:11 AM


  16. Yay biden - go you old rich white dude!

    Posted by: Tristram | Oct 12, 2012 12:14:38 AM


  17. Media with a bias toward republicans? Clearly you are living in another country. But..nice spin.

    Posted by: Funny really... | Oct 12, 2012 12:18:43 AM


  18. Joe was brilliant and made me very proud again to support the Obama + Biden ticket. He reminded me why I voted for them back in 08'. I wish he'll run for President in 2016.

    Posted by: Rafael | Oct 12, 2012 12:31:21 AM


  19. Icebloo apparently only gets Fox news on his tv. Agree with most of the other comments though, Biden clearly won on the facts, but the smiling and interrupting by Biden my turn off some Independents.

    Posted by: Ken | Oct 12, 2012 12:34:35 AM


  20. two catholics fighting is all it was

    Posted by: Yupp | Oct 12, 2012 12:54:23 AM


  21. If Biden had not smiled or interupted -- that would have bothered those that predisposed to "not like" his performance. It really has become boring now ---

    Posted by: rjp3 | Oct 12, 2012 12:55:51 AM



  22. Media with a bias toward republicans? Clearly you are living in another country. But..nice spin.

    Posted by: Funny really... | Oct 12, 2012 12:18:43 AM


    THE MEDIA BIAS IN AMERICA is TOWARD CONSERVATIVES. Sorry that is FACT. They can however not become total propoganda like Fox News ... which is what you would like to see (and what Fox News has taught you to want)

    Posted by: rjp3 | Oct 12, 2012 12:57:15 AM


  23. RJP3 : I must disagree on that one. I think U.S. media bias is more for Liberals/Democrats/Left-Wing, etc. Not entirely, but...mostly...

    Posted by: Yupp | Oct 12, 2012 1:00:12 AM


  24. Biden looked as dumb as George W. What an old fool. Ryan ended up looking good. And smart.

    Posted by: JenJen | Oct 12, 2012 1:06:23 AM


  25. Yes, I was more impressed by Ryan but at this point, these debates are just half time entertainment. I have already decided that I am going to vote for Romney-Ryan. All the debate did was reemphasize why.

    Posted by: Miguel A. Mendoza | Oct 12, 2012 1:09:20 AM


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