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Joe Biden Commands the Facts over Paul Ryan in Debate: VIDEO


What are everyone's thoughts on the debate?

Who won? Joe Biden? Paul Ryan? Martha Raddatz?

A bunch of clips, via TPM, AFTER THE JUMP...

IMHO Martha Raddatz did an amazing job driving this debate. Biden took control when he needed to. The pundits are trying to sell it as a "draw" but you can't argue with the facts, and Biden didn't allow Ryan a moment to maintain the Romney campaign's falsehoods. Biden's smiles and laughing may have bothered some but they also made him come across more human and authentic, while Ryan's demeanor was stuck in a board room.

On the 47%, taxes, and the stimulus.

Biden calls "malarkey" on defense cuts. Ryan claims Biden is "under duress" talking about Medicare.

Biden calls out Ryan "Jack Kennedy" comment on taxes, joust on Libya.

On Social Security privatization.

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    Posted by: GB | Oct 12, 2012 1:10:50 AM

  2. Ryan just a boy reciting his facts like a robot. Many frat boys can do a better job. To an experienced senator familiar with foreign policies, Ryan's views are truly laughable.

    Posted by: simon | Oct 12, 2012 1:18:15 AM

  3. No body is really winning anything here, except maybe the rich who are getting richer. As a nation we are still not out of this depression and I suspect no one D. or R. or I. or what ever is going to turn things around real soon. I suggest you all start saving some money and stocking up on food.

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Oct 12, 2012 1:21:23 AM

  4. Ryan lost. Biden had better body language. Ryan is stiff as a rock.

    Posted by: jason | Oct 12, 2012 1:34:36 AM

  5. Biden for president 2016? Chea

    Posted by: anonny6 | Oct 12, 2012 1:35:36 AM

  6. Wow, looking through the first page of comments there are a lot of Republicans being paid to comment on here tonight. Not worth my time to stick around.

    Posted by: M Taylor | Oct 12, 2012 2:06:57 AM

  7. As an independent, I have to give this one to Ryan. Biden seemed fairly outclassed and the constant smirking and mock laughter made it seem as though he was trying to tell America, "don't listen to him, just watch me and follow my lead." I can't help believe Biden just had nothing of substance to offer. Not a very fitting performance given the office he holds.

    Posted by: David Enterkin | Oct 12, 2012 3:04:09 AM

  8. David Enterkin : Doesn't the older catholic guy (the VP) have a history of stupid things popping out of his mouth? Younger catholic did seem to win this one. (Independent here, too, but still voting for Obama again).

    Posted by: Yupp | Oct 12, 2012 3:15:20 AM

  9. I thought Joe won, but might only have cryptically referred to LGBT issues time will tell. His references to the supremes, and the grave Catholic church part at the end might've included us if you know the context of Joe's faith, but you'd have to be reading between the lines, or believing him.

    US politics is just hard with the social media savvy "version" of politics blasted 24-7. Instead most opinions here were formed by watching an entertaining show on TV starring Joe Biden and that glassy eyed spun guy.

    I don't want to victimize anyone, but it's really frustrating being the elephant in the room for eternity.

    I'm going with the hope and change thing though, the 47% group of the LGBT cohort sort of have to, don't we? If we had a choice to build and develop our own lives freely, we'd probably have to be fully human or something. Hi, I'm PPP, and I'll be your waiter.

    Posted by: PostPonyPhase | Oct 12, 2012 4:02:23 AM

  10. Bill Maher tweeted: "Hello 911? There s an old man beating a child on my tv"

    Posted by: Ty Nolan | Oct 12, 2012 5:18:32 AM

  11. LOL @ Bill Maher. Out of the park for Biden. All the same, I'll be glad when this is all over....and Obama/Biden have won!

    Posted by: millerbeach | Oct 12, 2012 6:04:57 AM

  12. These 'debates' are a load of BS. Our two party political system, left vs right [when of course in reality they both serve big 4 and big institutional interests over the best interests of the average citizen] is BS.

    The average citizen ultimately decides which one of these 3 dollar bills get's elected, but it's a phony contest to begin with. But they can ultimately not compete with the BS myriad of special interest groups, big $ interests, institutional interests, and their high powered lobbying at every level of government.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Oct 12, 2012 7:39:24 AM

  13. When you pay a Romney luggage lifting rent boy like Ryan to be in front of a stage to speak, it's not going to be pretty unless he is totally naked. Kind of like those naked news channel we got a few years ago.Oh well, he should be joining Sarah in the Hall Of Going Down in Flames soon.

    Posted by: bambinoitaliano | Oct 12, 2012 7:47:54 AM

  14. Go Joe!

    Posted by: dc | Oct 12, 2012 7:59:02 AM

  15. Bambino : Typo ? I think you meant "Rekkers luggage lifting rent boy.." : )

    Posted by: Yupp | Oct 12, 2012 8:07:55 AM

  16. Biden ran all over Ryan and rightly so, Biden clearly showed, when Ryan didn't speak the truth.

    Posted by: Matt26 | Oct 12, 2012 9:27:11 AM

  17. The CBS poll on undecideds said they thought Biden won by about a 50-20% margin, so it wasn't really close. Biden was the big winner.

    (CNN had a poll that didn't look at undecideds, instead asking everyone in their sample. It gave a within-the-margin-of-error 'win' for Ryan, *but* oversampled Republicans by 8% more than their other national polls... ruining their poll.)

    The key here, though, is Biden revved up a dispirited base... which is exactly what was needed coming out of this. Ryan didn't really do much of anything for the GOP, in terms of matching any notable goals for the night... other than avoiding an epic George-Bush-sized gaffe.

    Posted by: Ryan | Oct 12, 2012 9:37:15 AM

  18. Had Ryan showed up without his shirt he might have won the thing. Had Biden showed up without a shirt, he might have retained Barbara Walters' vote, but probably no one else's. Ryan should just campaign shirtless.

    Posted by: anon | Oct 12, 2012 10:19:53 AM

  19. @TRISTRAM Joe Biden has the 2nd lowest net worth in the Senate with a net worth of $100 - $500K - not really a rich guy - pretty middle class - especially when compared to Ryan (about $4.5MM) or Romney (>$200MM).

    Posted by: Alex | Oct 12, 2012 11:12:55 AM

  20. So many paid republican comments here today. The only reason for a gay person to be republican is greed.

    Posted by: sharon | Oct 12, 2012 11:50:14 AM

  21. Second that, Sharon. Plus Romney has already said he supports a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to prohibit marriage equality.

    How much do you have to hate yourself to vote for your continued second-class citizenship?

    Posted by: antb | Oct 12, 2012 1:19:31 PM

  22. With this many trolls, there has to be a bridge somewhere.

    Posted by: DallasJ | Oct 12, 2012 1:19:38 PM

  23. Crap, this many trolls for a little ol' gay blog. crazy.

    Posted by: Ken | Oct 12, 2012 2:39:45 PM

  24. Ryan is just plain weird, and he was constantly sipping water. Was he dehydrated? He's not ready for prime time and shouldn't have accepted Romney's VP offer. If he rejected the offer, with a few years of prep work and polishing up his records in Congress, he could run for the Presidency himself perhaps in 2016, or 2020. Now, running on the same platform as the Shapeshifter Mitt could potential hurt his chances of running in the (near) future.
    At last night debate, it was so obvious that he was trying way to hard to show whatever little foreign policy experience that he has when compared to Biden by dropping the names of foreign places, leaders, extremist groups, without having any substance in his statements.

    Posted by: gayalltheway | Oct 12, 2012 3:53:58 PM

  25. He could be the male version of Sarah Palin. His children can star in reality shows. He will write a book and get a job with FOX news.

    Posted by: simon | Oct 16, 2012 10:44:38 AM

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