1. Mundus says

    @article: Staver said. “The licenses of countless mental health professionals hang in the balance.”

    Given that NO reputable mainstream psychological, medical, pediatric, counselling or psychiatric professional body in America or elsewhere in the civilised world supports so-called reparative therapies I sincerely doubt that anything more than an utterly tiny number of practitioners will be in any way affected.

    Most notably today the UK’s largest psychotherapy body the British Association for Counselling and Therapy updated the guidelines for their 30,000+ members to reinforce that it “opposes any psychological treatment such as ‘reparative’ or ‘conversion’ therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality is a mental disorder, or based on the premise that the client/patient should change his/her sexuality”

  2. Alex Parrish says

    “Under this law, the counselor will be forced to disregard the client’s religious beliefs or change them.”
    Courts have been recognizing recently that religious belief is not an excuse for damaging minors. Here in Wisconsin a couple went to jail for only praying over a child who needed medical care and I know this is happening in other states too. The point is — religion is not an excuse for abusing children. Period.

  3. says

    He says he was sexually abused……..what the F*** has that got to do with our orientation ?
    Answer :
    He says there is a cause and effect….!!!
    What a pathetic idiot.
    This is the very worst kind of individual, who denies his own orientation. What a shameful man.

  4. Jimcracky says

    “The California governor and legislature are putting their own preconceived notions and political ideology ahead of children and their rights to get access to counseling that meets their needs,” said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel.”

    Yes, and NARTH and bigots like him have been putting their preconceived notions AND political AND religious ideology AND vested financial interests ahead of the well being of children.

  5. Randy says

    NARTH is the “go-to” group for junk science on homosexuality. What is CNN doing giving them air time, as if their opinion is valid?

    Why not have on a teen who has been harmed by their therapy? Why not investigate the problem that will likely be made worse, of taking kids across borders to places where they can be abused by “therapy” banned or discouraged in their home state and country?

  6. John says

    This lawsuit could be great news for the good guys. NARTH and its members cannot survive courtroom scrutiny.

  7. Mundus says

    @Tom | Oct 1, 2012 8:25:46 PM


    Ermm, really it doesn’t; not even extra-scary psychiatry that is in all-caps.

  8. says

    they always ignore the most obvious factor – the only reason a person wouldn’t *want* to be gay is because the people in their lives have told them that –
    A: they’ll be “damned for all eternity in the afterlife”
    B: they’ll be denied love affection and understanding in the present

    the abuse thing is stupid, too.

    this guy is a sad and dangerous idiot.

  9. says

    gender-identity. got it. he didn’t feel like a man while having thoughts about men.

    oh well. nothing makes me feel more like a man than getting off with another one.

    he also ignores what LEGIONS of homosexuals who’ve been abused have stated which is that the abuse made it more difficult to accept their sexuality, as being with members of the same-sex bring up memories of past abuse.

    the only thing these pathetic men do is LIE and then convince others to lie. it’s freaking stupid.

  10. says

    i have a great close friend who was put through 3 “exorcisms” as a teen. why? because that’s what his family wanted him to go through, and they insisted that it was needed, and he wanted to please them.

  11. Brian says

    I actually became so nauseated by Pickup’s self-denial and lies, I had to stop watching. Either he has repeated the lie so often he’s come to believe it and he’s in complete denial or he has been brainwashed by own his own quack therapist. Either way, he needs to stop lying to himself and his patients.

  12. Walt says

    Didn’t Dan Pickup admit, during the course of the interview, that he never identified as homosexual? He was abused. No one is advocating against therapy for children who have been sexually, emotionally or physically abused. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. I was never abused as a child or an adult, my father was a macho ever-invasive presence in my life, I have no gender identity issues and I am 100% gay.

  13. "The Gay" says

    This is just another power-grab by the religious crackpots masquerading as therapists.

    It’s nothing new, this sort of thing has been going on for years.

    You have to be wary, as a LGBT person, of the agenda many religious therapists put ahead of actually helping people. They wield power and authority over the most vulnerable people during the most desperate times, and will do unethical things to impose their values and agendas upon patients.

    Once, when i was a young man, a therapist with a degree from a religious institution really tried to do a number on me. I had admitted to having smoked weed a couple times years previous, and when he very unprofessionally left the room to take a call, I took a look at my file.

    He had indicated that he believed that I had a serious drug abuse problem. It had been YEARS since I had smoked pot, and he knew very well it had absolutely nothing to do with why I was there. He was a homophobe, and he was out to destroy me.

    Suffice it to say, I confronted him, and left his office. It was years before I attempted to see another therapist.

    Things have changes since the 80’s, but we need to remember, there are some extremely evil therapists all over the country. They’ve murdered us, in various ways, and they’ve gotten away with it.

  14. Diogenes Arktos says

    @Mundus: “I sincerely doubt that anything more than an utterly tiny number of practitioners will be in any way affected.”

    Do NOT underestimate the number of religious “therapists” who are not beholden to any real professional standards – those like “The Gay” happened to encounter.

  15. jamal49 says

    This so-called “reparative therapist”, Dan Pickup(!), actually sinks his own argument for reparative therapy in his opening statements and he doesn’t even realize it.

    The quack never clearly answered the question from CNN’s resident psychologist regarding who makes the decision whether or not the child needs “reparative therapy”.

    The law defines a minor as someone who cannot legally make any decision on their own–particularly medical decisions–without the consent of an adult.

    It is a given that any child who is “conflicted” about being gay is probably experiencing conflict because of adult influence.

    A child, left to his or her devices, will 99% of the time not experience any “conflict” where their sexual orientation is concerned simply because children do not have preconceived notions about “morality” or, especially, sexual orientation. To a child, he or she just is.

    It is always the adult–perhaps an orthodox christian or someone who has closed-minded, bigoted or uninformed views about sexual orientation–who initiates the “conflict” with the child.

    It has been proven time and time again, scientifically, empirically, statistically, that sexual orientation is not–repeat, NOT–dependent upon sexual or psychological abuse.

    Sexual and/or psychological abuses DO have consequences but neither has ANY effect on a child’s sexual orientation.

    Sexual orientation is innate part of a person’s humanity. It is not acquired.

    Mr. Pickup is a born-again christian ideologue. His organization is a born-again christian extremist organization that exists solely to propagandize an extremist, biblical-based ideology about human sexuality.

    The Liberty Counsel is an extremist right-wing organization, founded by Liberty University (Jerry Falwell’s curse upon higher education), funded by wealthy right-wing benefactors (Kock Brothers, the Mormon Church, Richard Viguerie, AmWay, etc.) that advances a “christian world-view” to support their claim that America is a “christian nation founded on biblical principles and biblical law”.

    That alone should speak volumes about just who and what Mr. Pickup actually represents.

  16. Steve says

    He himself says that he did not identify as a gay man before he was abused. What about the millions of gay Americans that were not abused and live happy and healthy lives? Why didn’t CNN as that? It’s like they were each fighting completely different battles. I love it when Brooke gets heated. TEAM BROOKE!

  17. anon says

    Dan Pickup? Really? Perfect name for a gay porn star.

    On the merits of the lawsuit: the state can certainly regulate medical practice. Any such “counseling” will need to be done in the context of a religion, which is how they are doing it anyway. It can’t be sold as a medical procedure now, however.

  18. Diogenes Arktos says

    He supports what the children actually want and not what the parents want? Did I hear him correctly? How about considering the possibility that the children are just parroting what the parents want?

    Even if the child is trying to find a resolution to the conflict between his/her religion and his/her same-sex feelings – since when does that *require* reparative therapy?

    Staver in his letter also says that the govenment should not “license one viewpoint”. Aren’t he and NARTH really trying hoping to do just that under the guise of religious freedom?

  19. GregV says

    @Steve: I got the impression he was saying that he NEVER identified as gay, before or after being abused.

    He was asked a very pertiment question and dismissed it without answering: What about people who are abused by the opposite sex and have unwanted sexual feelings for the opposite sex?

    I’ve known straight women who seem to have been abused by practically every man they’ve ever known. (One female acquaintance, who never did know I was gay, said I gave her “hope” anout men because I was the first one who was respectful toward her).
    One straight woman I knew desperately wanted to be gay because of abuse she had suffered from men. She tried unsucccessfully to fall in love with women until she gave up years later, realizing thst no amount of trying or hoping or praying changes anyone’s lifelong natural sexual orientation.

    So what about such people? Do these “reorientation therapists” EVER “help” them in their quest to be gay? Not on your life.
    Their mindset is warped by animus toward gay people and self-loathing that they have been taught by homophobic religious leaders and peers. They are deply conflicted and confused.
    It’s no wonder he wouldn’t answer her question.

  20. Diogenes Arktos says

    Since reparative therapy is provably harmful to the client, it follows by their logic that if a suicidal client presents for therapy, they must help said client commit suicide.

    Of course, they don’t believe that reparative therapy could possibly be harmful and probably have “evidence” to back up that preposterous claim.

  21. Garcia says

    is this “like legitimate rape” or “forcible rape”… what is authentic reparative therapy…. please…. im gay im loving it…