White House to Consider Petition Signed by 73,000 for Texas Secession from the U.S.; Rick Perry Takes Stand

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A "We the People" petition for Texas to secede from the United States has gathered more than 73,000 signatures:

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

The Houston Chronicle reports:

According to The White House, the petition must reach 25,000 signatures within 30 days in order to be considered.

“If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response,” explains the website.

Dadt_perrySaid Governor Rick Perry about the petition:

Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government. Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper. We cannot allow Washington’s tax and spend, one-size-fits-all mindset to jeopardize our children’s future, undermine our personal liberties and drive our nation down a dangerous path to greater dependence of government.

Comments

  1. says

    While many may say, “let them go’, a better response would be to use all those army surplus tanks & put down the rebellion.

    Once all the angry white man are subdued, carpetbaggers could come in & start reconstruction.

    Crazy Texans must be tamed once & for all.

  2. Kenny C says

    Buy Y’all! Don’t let the screen door hit you in the ass!
    I have a cousin in Texas that works for Halliburton that is probably the biggest bigot in the family! He thinks pretty much anyone that isn’t a white born-again should be put on a slow boat to China, including me.

  3. Miss ross says

    Really? A bunch of yahoos who can’t spell its correctly (should be its citizens most decidedly NOT it’s citizens) think they are ready for nationhood? Good luck with that!

  4. ratbastard says

    With all due respect to others posting, Texas for P.R. doesn’t cut it by a long shot. Texas has one of the best economies in the U.S., some of our biggest and most livable cities, and unlike California, NY, and Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois, a few other ‘blue’ states, it’s cost of living isn’t out of control. It also is the center of our energy and oil industry, the Port of Houston is a VERY important American port.

    P.R. [I like and respect Puerto Ricans and P.R. is a beautiful island] is a basket-case. Something like 50% of the population are on welfare. Puerto Rican in PR and here know what I’m talking about.

    BTW: The mayor of the 4th biggest city in the U.S., Houston, is an out lesbian. And it has MANY ‘Hispanics’ who vote Democratic and send Democratic representatives to congress. With Texas gone, the ‘Hispanic’ population of the U.S. would be considerably reduced. Adding PR wouldn’t cover it and anyway Puerto Ricans and Mexican/Mexican Americans are different.

  5. AJ says

    I’m just curious as to what exactly this would mean for them. Wouldn’t they get cut off from a ton of good stuff, so they would essentially be throwing the baby out with the bathwater in a HUGE way?

  6. ratbastard says

    OF COURSE IT WOULD BADLY HURT THE TEXAS ECONOMY…much of the Texas economy revolves around business with[in] in the U.S. It would lose A LOT of business. especially in white collar jobs in DFW, Houston, etc., unless it arranged some kind of sweat-heart deal with the U.S., which the U.S. wouldn’t do. They would lose the vast bulk of the U.S. military associated with the state, which would be a MASSIVE blow to their economy. With Mexico on it’s south flank, the U.S. basically almost surrounding it, it would be a big, fat sitting duck.

  7. LiamB says

    You do understand, Bastard, that Texas thrived because of Federal money, right? Perry had to use stimulus to pull Texas out of debt, and the US military is one of the biggest provider of jobs. Take away the stimulus and the military, Texas would be just as underwater as the rest of the country.

    Make all the idiotic statements you want, but no state could survive by just pulling out. A change like that would take years. Good luck on that not effecting their economy.

  8. LiamB says

    You do understand, Bastard, that Texas thrived because of Federal money, right? Perry had to use stimulus to pull Texas out of debt, and the US military is one of the biggest provider of jobs. Take away the stimulus and the military, Texas would be just as underwater as the rest of the country.

    Make all the idiotic statements you want, but no state could survive by just pulling out. A change like that would take years. Good luck on that not effecting their economy.

  9. walt says

    Hey! I live in Houston and our county (Harris County) voted for Obama over Romney. Only by two votes but still! Don’t throw is all out with the crazy crackers from the rural areas. I want to stay American.

  10. benjamin says

    Are you really going to listen to 75,000 people out of 25 Million? Roughly 1/3 of 1%? Even if 250,000 people sign this thing, that is 1% of the population of Texas. Put all the petition signers in Waco, fence them in, and…oh wait.

  11. marco says

    This has been done before and they should know what the answer is going to be: Secession is not a legal option. Besides, 73 thousand out of 25 million? Haha! Sour grapes is all. However, I would not be surprised if one of this wing-nuts turned violet.

  12. Derrick from Philly says

    Don’t worry, Walt. Ratbastard is the only one who even attempts to comment seriously about this secession foolishness….talkin’ about military bases and sh.t.

    Hey, Rat, I thought we deported you to the New Confederate Red States of America yesterday. Get to movin’!

  13. Rob says

    The anti-gay Christians or KKK are back at it again, when are they going to wake up and realize they lost the Civil War and that slavery does not work? Or could this be the work of those crazy CIA people who go around stirring people up and making trouble?

  14. Ratbastard says

    @LIAMB,

    SEE BELOW:

    ‘OF COURSE IT WOULD BADLY HURT THE TEXAS ECONOMY…much of the Texas economy revolves around business with[in] in the U.S. It would lose A LOT of business. especially in white collar jobs in DFW, Houston, etc., unless it arranged some kind of sweat-heart deal with the U.S., which the U.S. wouldn’t do. They would lose the vast bulk of the U.S. military associated with the state, which would be a MASSIVE blow to their economy. With Mexico on it’s south flank, the U.S. basically almost surrounding it, it would be a big, fat sitting duck.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Nov 13, 2012 1:20:52 PM

    ===============

    @Derrick,

    Give it a rest, pal. You know I didn’t condone racism, the KKK, or any of that sh*t. And I didn’t condone secession.

  15. Jersey says

    No, hold onto TX. In just a very few short years it will be a blue state if the dems succeed in getting a comprehensive immigration policy thru. Now we’ll never convince MS or AL or GA or LA to be anything but racist assholes so let them go but keep TX. It’s only a matter of time.

  16. Adam F says

    As a Texan myself, I’d just like to point out that the signers of this petition represent roughly .3% of the Texas population. It’s hardly an indicator of how the state feels. Yes, it’s an interesting “news” story, but I wouldn’t call it a “popular” view. Someday we’ll learn from Fox News that focusing on the outliers, while entertaining, is hardly the same as reporting the facts.

  17. Fenrox says

    It couldn’t happen anyway, Peacefully? Impossible. We simply wont allow another country between Mexico and the US, either Mexico or the US would remove it. So a really strange suicide note when you think about it.

  18. Caliban says

    If you ask me, Fox News and Right Wing talk radio have a lot to answer for. It wasn’t enough for them to say “I disagree with Obama’s political views and here’s why,” they used scare tactics to convince their audience Obama is a Muslim (if not Satanic) Communist who will kill your granny and out everyone else in camps.

    It was incredibly irresponsible because people who are scared will lash out, sometimes violently. Fox News viewers weren’t the brightest bunch to begin with and now they’re paranoid and unhinged. I suspect there will be some violence, perhaps against gay people, and it’s a direct result of the lies and hyperbole the Right has been spreading for the last 4+ years.

  19. Drake says

    Texas has a wretched public safety net for its citizens, reminding one of the tales of Charles Dickens and the poorhouse. 25% of its population is without health insurance. Texas is an ever-increasing “haves and have not” society.

  20. says

    so lemme get this straight…. The Dixie Chicks are ‘un-American anti-patriots” for condemning that folly of a war and being ashamed to be from the same State as G.W…..

    …but all these people are True American Patriots because they dont’ want to live in a country with a black President.

    yeah. right. got it.

  21. sugarrhill says

    CA has a bigger economy than TX. It also has better schools, infrastructure, and people actually want to live there. TX has nothing on CA. This will go nowhere though. Bunch of sour grapes.

  22. says

    The racism of yesteryear has come full circle in our county. The entire world embraced our choice of a black President four years ago and most nations of the world still support him. The fringe elements of Republican sect have crept through into the mainstream once again with conservative mouthpieces planting the seeds of hate. The only doubt lies here at home rooting from bigotry. Watch the white hands paint Obama in Blackface at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/bamboozling-obama.html

  23. Derrick from Philly says

    @Derrick,

    “Give it a rest, pal. You know I didn’t condone racism, the KKK, or any of that sh*t.”

    Ratbastard,

    you should have left Massachusettes as soon as Romney came home. You’ve contracted that damn romnesia he’s been spreading around.

  24. Polyboy says

    This is asinine. A massive chunk of those signatures aren’t even from Texas. A Constitutional amendment takes far far FAR more than this.

    Giving it press time is just giving sore losers exposures they DO NOT NEED.

  25. Randy says

    Let them go. But be sure the US recovers the investment it has made in Texas (particularly military and space).

    Can you imagine Texas trying to make it on its own? This would be the best reality TV show ever!

    This must happen.

  26. says

    Seriously, maybe it’s time to examine this issue closely. I don’t see this country ever coming together willingly on issues that divide conservative and progressive America. Maybe it’s time to split into two countries? Why should we let some uneducated southern hillbilly stand in the way of marriage equality in Ca., D.C., NY, or in any Blue state? Some states would be forced to come into the progressive union for the purpose of contiguous needs, but those residents could relocate to a red state of their choosing. Let them recede back to the stone age while the Union of Progressive states moves forward?

  27. Bill says

    I think the signatures from outside Texas in favor of secession are more an indication of what those individuals think of Texas. After George W. Bush and Perry’s candidacy, not to mention what Enron did to California’s supply of electricity some years ago, I’m sorely tempted to vote for it too!

  28. Tom says

    I find Perry’s response hysterical. He himself, not that long ago, stirred up the “we will secede” pot (then a week or two later cried to the federal government that Texas wasn’t getting enough Flu vaccines). Now that he has the support from a lot of the people of Texas he cowardly pulls back. Oops!

  29. AlamoSpartan says

    When Gov. Perry first suggested TX secession, I wondered how they hell am I gonna mail postcards to my friends in the USA? Could the Republic of TX provide postal services at the same rate as USPS? I doubt it. And who is gonna maintain all the interstate highways passing through TX? We could do what Mitt suggested and privatize all that…right.

  30. Daws says

    Lol, they’re so damn stupid. Here’s what would happen if they got their way:

    Tons of their industry and citizens are going to leave the country of TX and head back to the U.S.

    TX is then going to be poverty stricken, overrun by illegal immigrants, maybe some new drug cartels or Bryan Cranston, and then they’ll come crying for help from the country they broke up with. PLEASE TAKE US BACK!

    Nope.

  31. Eddie in OKC says

    This is a Texas issue. If they have the signatures, the White House should allow Texas to proceed. Cooler, saner heads will prevail; Texas would never secede. But it’s not and shouldn’t be the President’s battle. Like any good parent, the Parent should ignore this child’s tantrum.

  32. Eddie in OKC says

    This is a Texas issue. If they have the signatures, the White House should allow Texas to proceed. Cooler, saner heads will prevail; Texas would never secede. But it’s not and shouldn’t be the President’s battle. Like any good parent, the Parent should ignore this child’s tantrum.

  33. ratbastard says

    @JHT,

    Are there any ‘white’ Mexican Americans or just plain Mexicans? Guess what, there are. ‘Hispanics’ do not vote as solidly one way or the other as black people. And what makes you think a Mexican American would automatically vote or think one way or the other, regardless of their ‘race’?

    @Derrick,

    I’m not a Romney fan, sorry to disappoint you.

  34. ratbastard says

    But I do hate black people because they murdered my father. At least that’s the excuse I give for hating black people. The truth is we don’t speak anymore because he caught me masturbating while sniffing his underpants while also defecating into a funnel.

  35. ratbastard says

    LITTLE KIWI WROTE THIS AND USED MY NAME:

    But I do hate black people because they murdered my father. At least that’s the excuse I give for hating black people. The truth is we don’t speak anymore because he caught me masturbating while sniffing his underpants while also defecating into a funnel.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Nov 13, 2012 3:42:55 PM

    IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. MAYBE AS A CANADIAN YOU SHOULD MIND YOUR OWN EFFING BUSINESS. If an American started posting about Quebec separatism on a Canadian site the Canadian ‘progressives’ and nationalist would get bent all out of shape by the arrogant ‘Yank’

  36. ratbastard says

    And yes, Little Kiwi, my father was badly hurt by an unprovoked assault committed by a group of young black men, and yes he eventually died as a direct result of that assault.

    And I NEVER SAID I HATE BLACK PEOPLE, you say that, Little Kiwi. You also appear fixated on the subject and being beyond obnoxious. Once again pal, if you said the sh*t you say in front of my face, you’d be in a hospital emergency room.

  37. RBearSAT says

    Hilarious to read the comments on this. For those who chastise the spelling in the petition, you might spellcheck some of the comments themselves. Jersey brings up one of the most key points in this list. TX is on a trajectory to turning purple and potentially blue. If that happens there is NO WAY a Republican can get elected president. It would be the death of the Republican Party, as we know it. With CA, NY, and TX blue there is literally no conceivable path to 270 for the Republicans.

    Just something to think about.

    Oh, and as one person has pointed out, the mayor of the 4th largest city in the nation is an out lesbian.

  38. RBearSAT says

    Hilarious to read the comments on this. For those who chastise the spelling in the petition, you might spellcheck some of the comments themselves. Jersey brings up one of the most key points in this list. TX is on a trajectory to turning purple and potentially blue. If that happens there is NO WAY a Republican can get elected president. It would be the death of the Republican Party, as we know it. With CA, NY, and TX blue there is literally no conceivable path to 270 for the Republicans.

    Just something to think about.

    Oh, and as one person has pointed out, the mayor of the 4th largest city in the nation is an out lesbian.

  39. badlydrawnbear says

    FYI people – states cannot secede period.

    These petitions are meaningless, carry no legal weight, and even if Congress and the President were to agree to the secession the SCOTUS would reject it because there is absolutely, 100%, no way for a state to leave the Union.

    We fought a war over the right to secession, you know the Civil War, and the secessionists lost.

    Again, ONCE A STATE JOINS THE UNION THERE IS NO LEGAL/CONSTITUTIONAL MECHANISM FOR IT TO LEAVE.

  40. John in Bend says

    Another Tea Party tantrum. Let them go, but don’t offer mutual defense and remove all of our military facilities. Then deny them all offshore petroleum exploration rights.

  41. badlydrawnbear says

    https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/exhibits/annexation/part5/question11.html

    “The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. During the War of 1812 it was New England that wanted to secede from the rest of the country. Later, it was the Southern states. Secessionists argued that states were sovereign and had the right to withdraw from the Union. Opponents countered that the Constitution created a sovereign union that, once entered into, could never be broken. Eventually, the question was put to the test and settled permanently on the battlefields of the Civil War.

    The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):

    And whereas,

    the President of the United States, by further proclamation issued on the second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, did promulgate and declare, that there no longer existed any armed resistance of misguided citizens, or others, to the authority of the United States in any, or in all the States before mentioned, excepting only the State of Texas, and did further promulgate and declare that the laws could be sustained and enforced in the several States before mentioned, except Texas, by the proper civil authorities, State, or Federal, and that the people of the said States, except Texas, are well and loyally disposed, and have conformed or will conform in their legislation to the condition of affairs growing out of the amendment to the Constitution of the United States, prohibiting slavery within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States;

    And did further declare in the same proclamation THAT IT IS THE MANIFEST DETERMINATION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT NO STATE, OF ITS OWN WILL, HAS A RIGHT OR POWER TO GO OUT OF OR SEPARATE ITSELF FROM, OR BE SEPARATED FROM THE AMERICAN UNION; and that, therefore, each State ought to remain and constitute an integral part of the United States;

    On March 30, 1870, Congress passed the Act to admit the State of Texas to Representation in the Congress of the United States. Likewise, this act contains no language that would allow Texas to unilaterally withdraw from the United States.”

  42. taylor says

    I think that until we as a people can get rid of the electoral college, and let it be on popular vote,after we apologize to all who lost in elections where the electoral counts,nothing but division, and dirty laundry politics by both sides is what we are gonna get force fed.. The electoral college is an outdated relic. I support neither party,, im registered as me,, non affiliated.. I honestly think both sides are so out of touch and clueless its unreal. The titanic that is our great country is sinking fast,, and all we focus on is bashing and fingerpointing.. We all outta grow up….

  43. Jim says

    They might want to think about it a little more thoroughly. What will the costs be to Texas as a country. First the US will have to move all federal/military offices, etc. out of Texas. There are a lot of military bases in Texas plus other federal offices. They will have to assume the responsibilities currently provided by the feds, etc., etc. This is about as well thought through as anything else with Rick Perry’s involvement. But let them go. They may be overwhelmed by their own demographic situation.

  44. taylor says

    Isnt the raping of our country and the people in it by All elected officials regardless of party also not an act of treason? Anyone here honestly our elected officials on both sides of the coin have our best interest at heart?? Keep dividing us by being Blinded by party’s, and for godsakes think for ourselves.. All this crap is, is smoke and mirror’s, by all elected, to keep us divided.. Divide and conquer… With enough misdirection anyone can make an elephant disappear.. the elephant in this case being All of our freedoms,, and All of our money.. It goes beyond party here guys,, All Day.

  45. Char says

    They should just buy an island and form their own nation there. Here are some names for their future country:

    Christopia
    Red Republic
    White World
    Evangelicaland
    Redneckia
    Racistan
    Cracker Country
    No Man-on-Man’s Land

  46. Icebloo says

    Can Rick Perry even spell “secede” ? He is one of the dumbest politicians of all time. He makes George Dubya Bush look like a genius.

    Hopefully we can soon get rid of Perry too ! He has been TERRIBLE for Texas.

  47. Bernie says

    so here we go again! The total and racist disrespect for Obama. We suffered through the idioticy of GW Bush and no one petitioned secession. And the fact that Rick Perry supports this even after what happened on election day does not bode well so far for the Republicans.

  48. Bill says

    Regarding Tom’s comment, “Can you even imagine if the US pulled it’s border back to Texas’ northern border? Texas would be part of Mexico in no time.”

    …. if that happened, it wouldn’t be long before you would see lots of Mexicans with tee shirts saying, “President General Antonio López de Santa Anna was lucky.”

  49. Shane1970 says

    Some of these comments surprise me. My partner of 21 years and I live in a suburb of Dallas, Texas. We own a home and have great jobs. We like it here. We have great neighbors. Not everyone in Texas is a Republican and Texas could be a Blue State sooner than you think.

    I have enough common sense to know that California is a liberal state, however, marriage equality couldn’t get a popular vote passed. I saw a video a few days ago of a California woman who worked at an ice cream shop using the n word against the president. By those two actions am I suppose to now believe that all Californians are a bunch of homophobic racists? No, I think not.

    So in short, for all of you who want to lump the entire population of Texas together, please use the common sense that has gotten you this far in life.

  50. Henry Holland says

    “I have enough common sense to know that California is a liberal state”

    No, CA is liberal along the coast from roughly Los Angeles to the OR border and inland until you get to the mountain ranges that run N – S that divide the state but you go to place like Bakersfield or Truckee or Modesto and they’re just as backwards and right-wing as any place in the South. If you look at the recent voting maps, it’s pretty clear:

    http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/president/

    Luckily for liberals, most of the population is along the coast/a bit inland.

  51. Hunter says

    This represents such a minority. The internet enables petitions to grow this quickly – the thirty day rule should be reduced. It probably won’t grow anymore from here.

    Anyway, this petition fails to recognize that Texas’ relation to the union is the draw to the state – favorable taxes comparably, a strong, growing business sector, multiple major metropolitan areas. As a stand-alone country, say bye bye to the rapid growth enjoyed for the past decade will plateau, the population will likely decline. It’s irrational..The International community would oblige, but there would be no respect. The only reason for doing this is a party-line dispute. We get it, you don’t like Obama. Don’t secede over it.

  52. DC Arnold says

    I have lived in that armpit of the US and the only way Texas is the 15th largest economy is on the backs of the “illegal” Mexicans. Which is why Perry has liberal leanings on immigration. Texas also did not welcome Katrina victims with open arms either.

  53. Jerry6 says

    Let them go, but, first, remove ALL US Government functions including the Space Center, all Military personnel (Except Texans) and equipment. Cancel all Government contracts with Texas companies, and tax all Texas products entering the US thereafter. Restrict Texans from visiting the US for any reason.

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