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  1. Lymis says

    Robert E. Lee? Really? I know he was a West Point graduate, but you’re holding him up as a shining start of the best of US Military traditions? Leading an armed revolt that killed hundreds of thousands of his fellow citizens? Go team?

  2. David B. says

    I don’t think Grant would have had a problem with it… or Roosevelt for that matter…

    What Pat thinks constitutes reality and what reality really is in 2012 are very different… we have to get microphones away from the dinosaurs (on both sides of the aisle FRANKLY)

    DB

  3. David B. says

    I don’t think Grant would have had a problem with it… or Roosevelt for that matter…

    What Pat thinks constitutes reality and what reality really is in 2012 are very different… we have to get microphones away from the dinosaurs (on both sides of the aisle FRANKLY)

    DB

  4. John says

    How in the hell does Pat Roberson know that some or all of the people he mentioned that would be “rolling over in their grave(s)” wouldn’t support equality! Old fool!

    Just die already!

  5. David in NYC says

    I had to wiki Pat Robertson to find out why he’s relevant. Another person I would never even know existed if I didn’t read this blog.

    Far as I can tell his biggest claim to fame was a failed republican presidential NOMINEE campaign 24 years ago.

    Just some miserable old man projecting his terror of the world changing around him.

  6. David in NYC says

    I had to wiki Pat Robertson to find out why he’s relevant. Another person I would never even know existed if I didn’t read this blog.

    Far as I can tell his biggest claim to fame was a failed republican presidential NOMINEE campaign 24 years ago.

    Just some miserable old man projecting his terror of the world changing around him.

  7. David in NYC says

    I had to wiki Pat Robertson to find out why he’s relevant. Another person I would never even know existed if I didn’t read this blog.

    Far as I can tell his biggest claim to fame was a failed republican presidential NOMINEE campaign 24 years ago.

    Just some miserable old man projecting his terror of the world changing around him.

  8. Eric says

    Sure. Say people would agree with you, but make sure that they are dead so that we can’t just ask them.

    I wonder how Robertson feels about these Grant quotes:

    “Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate.”
    — Ulysses S. Grant

    and this:

    “It is preposterous to suppose that the people of one generation can lay down the best and only rules of government for all who are to come after them, and under unforeseen contingencies.”
    — Ulysses S. Grant

    Or, put another way, we can’t live our lives today according to the rules and opinions of the dead.

  9. andrew says

    I wonder what motivates Pat Robertson’s dislike of gay folks. It clearly isn’t the bible. Just recently Pat excused the adultery of Gen Patreus with he is just being a guy type response. When his treasured book; the “holy” bible calls for the death penalty for such “sinful” deeds. And shockingly, he just recently denied the truth of the biblical creation story.

  10. Steven H says

    @Anastasia:

    700 is the number of Americans who voted for Robertson in his 1988 presidential run.

    Of those 700, about 680 are currently rolling in their graves. True story. With all that grave rolling, it’s really only by the grace of G-d that we don’t have more of that global warming the kids keep talking about these days.

  11. Steven H says

    @Anastasia:

    700 is the number of Americans who voted for Robertson in his 1988 presidential run.

    Of those 700, about 680 are currently rolling in their graves. True story. With all that grave rolling, it’s really only by the grace of G-d that we don’t have more of that global warming the kids keep talking about these days.

  12. sound effects anyone? says

    Pat Robertson? Wasn’t he the announcer on that cable tv movie channel The Crypt? You know, the guy who sits up in the coffin. No? Really?

  13. Zell says

    @David in NYC: If you had to wiki Pat Robertson to find out why he’s relevant, that says more about you than him. As the host of the odious 700 Club, Pat Robertson is a well-known figure in Christianity today, I’m not sure how you can be unaware of his effect on politics unless you haven’t been paying attention. Which is fine, but don’t be proud of it as though your ignorance proves Robertson’s irrelevance.

    That said, Robertson is a homophobic ass, and water is wet.

  14. contemporaries says

    He probably went to grammar school with those generals, that’s why he feels he can speak for them. And as for Jesus he’d be rolling around in his grave too if he hadn’t gotten out on Easter.

  15. AJ says

    @ZELL: I agree on the water is wet thing. Why does this blog repost every single odious, out-of-touch, disgusting word that freaks like Robertson utter. It seriously gives them ONE MORE platform toward continued relevance. I would not waste ONE SECOND listening to something he says or any of them.

  16. Chris says

    At least two of those generals would probably have rolled over in their graves because of Loving v. Virginia. That we’ve moved on from those attitudes is a good thing, as the progress on marriage equality is.

  17. Caliban says

    Mark Twain on the Bible: (edited for brevity)

    “The Christian Bible is a drug store. Its contents remain the same; but the medical practice changes.

    The texts remain: it is the practice that has changed. Why? Because the world has corrected the Bible. The Church never corrects it; and also never fails to drop in at the tail of the procession – and take the credit of the correction.

    Slavery fell. The slavery text remained; the practice changed, that was all.

    During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live.

    Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry. Who discovered that there was no such thing as a witch – the priest, the parson? No, these never discover anything.

    There are no witches. The witch text remains; only the practice has changed.”

    Gays are just the latest in a very long and distinguished line of victims of religion-based bigotry. Pat Robertson and his ilk are irrelevant, not quite dead but paper thin, hardly worth mentioning.

  18. BETTY says

    AJ and the “why do we pay attention argument”.

    Here is why: just because Towleroad, etc points out the stupid things people like Pat says to his daily INTERNATIONAL audience from his bully pulpit does not mean you are giving creedence to his views. He is going to say them anyways and sadly, he has a large audience. By pointing these stupid remarks out in the public square, it gives the rest of the ratioanal thinking members of society an opportunity to push back against his incorrect arguments and PROVE THEM WRONG (just as Eric has pointed out above). Otherwise, he spouts off his garbage without ever being challenged. The more he is challenged and proven wrong, the sillier and out of touch with reality he looks. That is a good thing.

  19. Eric says

    @BETTY

    The problem is that giving those views a wider audience is part of the problem. Many of us complain bitterly when hate groups get time on television networks to spread their vile, yet we also spread it on our own websites. When we do so to call attention to it and try to change things, as when we try to get networks to stop asking hate groups on, I can see the point. But this is not the situation with Pat Robertson, especially in this case.

    The main difference is that when we talk to advertisers or networks that is one thing, because we can show them the harm they are doing, or how it works against their own best interests, but we are not going to change Pat Robertson’s mind with facts, because facts don’t matter to him. You mention my previous posting, but I wasn’t trying to prove Robertson wrong, I was simply making a point that we can’t let the opinions of the dead rule our lives. Grant said a lot of things, including:

    “Hold fast to the Bible. To the influence of this Book we are indebted for all the progress made in true civilization and to this we must look as our guide in the future.”

  20. BETTY says

    My point is that he is saying it regardless. Keeping our heads in the sand and not challenging the Pat’s of the world allows them to spew their stupidity under the cover of night. I think it is important to shine the light on them and expose the ignorance of their remarks. To do that the media must inform us and let us know, otherwise people won’t stand up.

  21. Diogenes Arktos says

    @AJ : As someone who reads Right Wing Watch daily, Towleorad gives us only a fraction of the ignorance Robertson spews. RWW has stated they would like to cover him less! However, for better or for worse, Robertson is an elder statesman of the base of the Republican Party. As long as that is true, all of us need to keep on top of him, not just liberal Christians like me.

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