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  1. Derrick from Philly says

    That was great! Another profile in courage. I’ve never argued with street preachers because they’re crazy, but that Gay guy stood up. I like that.

  2. Paul in Honolulu says

    I’m a gay Christian and the shepherd of our church’s Sexual Minorities outreach group. We believe to the core of our hearts and faith that Jesus loves all of us and wants to help us through this life. The malevolence festering in the souls of people like this stteet preacher is totally abhorrent to Christ Who spoke forcefully against hypocrisy and sanctimony. It’s this kind of evil that leads gay people to think “Christian = enemy” when the truth is that God loves and cares for us, despite those who want us to think otherwise.

  3. Paul in Honolulu says

    I’m a gay Christian and the shepherd of our church’s Sexual Minorities outreach group. We believe to the core of our hearts and faith that Jesus loves all of us and wants to help us through this life. The malevolence festering in the souls of people like this stteet preacher is totally abhorrent to Christ Who spoke forcefully against hypocrisy and sanctimony. It’s this kind of evil that leads gay people to think “Christian = enemy” when the truth is that God loves and cares for us, despite those who want us to think otherwise.

  4. MaddM@ says

    another example of how mental health services are underfunded and the mentally ill are underserved…..

  5. jamal49 says

    I usually do this to street corner preachers.

    If you really want to shut these loud-mouths up, leave them speechless, ask politely if you can read from their bible, then read loudly and clearly Matthew 6:1-15.

    Shuts them up every time.

  6. HkFca says

    There is nothing more sad or pathetic than gay men and women trying to convince society that “Jesus loves them too.” Our existence doesn’t need to be explained or justified in christian terms, or any religious terms. Our value doesn’t lie in weather or or not some palestinian kookoo, who lived two thousand years ago, and his imaginary daddy would’ve approved of us or not.

  7. Dastius Krazitauc says

    “There is nothing more sad or pathetic than gay men and women trying to convince society that “Jesus loves them too.””

    Be that as it may, that was the applause line.

  8. James says

    Sounds like the “preacher” has a foreign accent. He immigrated to America from his backward, poverty-stricken, hell-hole of a country so he could come over here and annoy Americans with his homophobia. This is what we’re importing to America and we wonder why the US is in steady decline?

  9. ECCO says

    wow James – it’s actually people like you that put the US in decline. Paraphrasing ‘Dear Abby': maybe you could move?

  10. Ulu says

    James, Haven’t you been reading this blog at all for the past year or longer? Conservative Christians have been EXPORTING HOMOPHOBIA to as many developing nations as they can.

  11. Pete N SFO says

    I’m with HFKCA on this one… Jesus is fiction & arguing about what “Jesus” thought or said is f’n folly.

    God save us from religion already!!!

  12. Paul R says

    In 1991 I got in a massive hour-long fight in the middle of my college campus with an insane antigay preacher. I’ve never come so close to punching someone, which I think is what he wanted for various reasons.

    At one point I told him that my friends were mostly straight, and he said, Oh so I guess you suck them off too? I have never come so close to punching someone. I was so upset afterward and called my mother, and her response was, Honey I love you, but it’s never going to change. I’m glad that she was wrong.

    I had two straight friends come up randomly and tell me to stop arguing with him, then start kissing me to piss him off. Guys I never would have kissed otherwise.

  13. Francis says

    That was awesome and not insignificant. Good on the people who applauded. That is a gay man with confidence and someone who has their head on straight. He didn’t get angry, he didn’t fly off the handle, he continued preaching a message of love and acceptance and that the bigot was preaching hate and was a false prophet, not teaching true Godly values. Good to see.

  14. Wow says

    Arguing with crazy people just makes you sound crazy…seriously what is the point of this?…the man is unhinged…so the gay guy jumps in to defend his religious views because why? pick your battles folks…this wasn’t one of them

  15. Stefan says

    HKCFA–It doesn’t matter whether God, Jesus, etc. are real or not. A lot of people are raised in religions that affect their behavior, viewpoints, self-esteem, etc. Anytime you can take a paradigm and institution that affects the lives of a lot of people and begin to push back against its capture by a bunch of bigots, I’d call that a victory. A gay positive Christianity–and Christianity *should* be pro gay–could be a pretty powerful force for good in the world.

  16. Joseph Singer says

    People, learn how to take video with your phone. Turn the damned thing 90 degrees so it doesn’t look like you’re shooting through a keyhole.

  17. HkFca says

    @ Joseph Singer: I agree, but its the technology that needs to adapt not people. Holding a phone vertically is more ergonomic and intuitive.

    @ Stefan; But the fundamental ideologies of the institutions, are at fault here not the people who are born and raised in them. All three monotheistic faith are pretty clear in their condemnation of homosexuality (among many other things). What value is there in trying to perpetuate, or fit into, such severally outdated, and inhumane institutions?

  18. Barks At Dogs says

    If a dog barks at you, do you bark back? New York Rule #1: Never engage the crazies. Ill-advised on the part of the gay man, who made himself look just as strident and crazy as the mental defective he was yelling at. And if the immigrant “preacher” pulls out a knife, then what? Then we’re all bemoaning the loss of a fancy-hat wearin’ brother, who couldn’t keep his emotions in check.

    That said, why wouldn’t the immigrant preacher be detained for disturbing the peace? This country has allowed the religionists too much latitude to say aggressive, violent, hate-speech. The time is coming for this country to modernized the Constitution, and we need to start by rewriting the First Amendment to severely curtail the voices of radical religionists in the public sphere.

  19. Matt says

    @HkFca, such a good point. i didn’t realize how much I try to cater to fit the stories (religion) others use to secure themselves. I don’t know if it’s fair of me to say this, but I want to know why his sort of blabbering isn’t considered a diagnosable disorder.

  20. PAUL B. says

    Train rides aren’t what they used to be…When I lived in Brooklyn and rode the train every day to and from school…the best time I ever had was when a nice older man (25 maybe) rubbed up against my butt in the crowed train…all the way to school. By the time I got to school (Bishop Loughlin MHS.) I had blue ball and very pink cheeks. If you’re out there mystery man…thank you very much !!

  21. Charlie says

    I’ve said this before but–

    Never argue with a crazy person. People might not know the difference.

  22. Stefan says

    @HKFCA–I see your point–as a gay man raised Catholic I know that religion can suck and do awful things, and that half the time it’s ridiculous (maybe more than half). I guess my experience of religion has been that it’s basically about human interpretation of ancient texts that could be read many different ways. Even within the city I live we have Catholic churches that are super-conservative and still do a Latin Mass, and others that actually are LGBT affirmative and very socially progressive. The same is true of other major denominations. I have a hard time imagining a future in which most people don’t still cling to religious belief, and I’d rather see churches grow and stay strong that are actually doing good and interpreting their role in the world and in people’s lives in a positive way. I feel like something has to balance the far right crazy versions of religion, and maybe that something includes both the progressive theists as well as agnostics and atheists.

  23. SayTheTruth says

    So lucky religious craze doesn’t reach such levels around here, preaching in public is rarely seen (there are crazy people too of course), my condolences to all my American brothers. Because there such madness is still endorsed for a big chunk of society who believe it word by word. But you get stronger also, that’s the good side.

  24. greg says

    I always wondered how to respond to those nut heads. And here this guy shows me by keeping it simple, clear, and by repeating it. Cannot wait for my next chance to practice. Their thinly-veiled hate must be countered.

  25. andrew says

    There we see two sides of the religious myth coin. One side the hateful myths and the other side the loving myths. I too would applaud the man speaking the loving myths. But it is human arrogance to think that the creator (if there be one) of this billion gallaxy universe is concerned with what humans on this third rock from our star are doing.

  26. Bill says

    @jamal49: Matthew 6:1-15 would today be called something like product differentiation.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCiihU4SOZQ shows what they were competing against (the video is a trailer for a San Francisco Opera production of Sampson and Delilah, with very hot, scantily clad male dancers). No wonder they didn’t like those pagans – the pagans were having way too much fun.

  27. Hank says

    I would actually like to see someone, who really knows how, just punch him in the mouth . If a crazy guy was up on the train spewing racist,( or misogynist,) hate and intimidation, he could expect to get punched, at least, unless he was much bigger than everyone else. And he wouldn’t be able to claim it was his religion.

  28. Walt says

    I don’t care if the guy was gay or not. If he thinks some ‘god’ loves him, he’s as effing crazy as the preacher.

  29. jjose712 says

    Walt: Disrespecting other beliefs doesn’t make you smart.

    I’m pretty sure the guy has zero intentions to yell the preacher, but sometimes, enough is enough and you can’t help it

  30. GRivera says

    Gay Christians? Just can’t let go of that fairy tale mommy and daddy taught you, huh?

    Sad. All you do is support an organization that does not want you.

    And by the way, pick and choose – the book does say “a man who lies with another man shall be stoned” so do what all religious freaks do and pick and choose.

    RELIGION IS FOR FREAKS! Accept reality.

    Do you pray for forgiveness when you have anal sex???

  31. GRivera says

    “God and cares for all of us…”????

    The same god who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? Watered down the world for Noah because the world did not follow him. And will set you a fire if you do not worship him? Not my kind of idol.

    Jesus was the greatest liar on the planet to state he was the son of an Almighty – some great teachings – but what a liar,

    Get with it gays – the churches do not want you

  32. seaguy says

    Street preachers are usually pathetic nut cases like this looser. Bravo to the gay guy for standing up to him.

  33. DB says

    God bless this guy from standing up to the crazed bigot and for doing some in a loving and honest way rather than a violent or hateful way. Hopefully the crazed bigot realized that it was his gay victim who is the actual Christian of the two people involved and that homophobia is by definition anti-Christian.

  34. Gloria says

    Not sure how it got to this level, I agree that it’s better not to engage such folks, but…

    I applaud this man for taking the courageous stand that he did, without knowing the outcome. I’m sure he must have worried about his safety during this extended exchange.

    As a genderqueer woman who has endured rancor and rejection from some evangelistic newcomers in my family, he did the right thing.

    For some of the kooked-out far right, they will only discuss life situations in religious terms. I had to have a similar private “showdown” with my father’s loony girlfriend as he was dying from cancer. I invoked God in his defense. Depends on the situation. Thanks for posting this.