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Evan Wolfson Schools Tony Perkins on 'Face the Nation': 'Gay People are not Going to Use Up the Marriage Licenses' — VIDEO


Baltimore Ravens linebacker Brendon Ayanbadejo, Family Research Council's Tony Perkins, Freedom to Marry's Evan Wolfson, Daily Beast journalist David Frum, and Alliance Defending Freedom's Austin Nimocks participated in a roundtable this morning on Face the Nation to discuss the upcoming arguments at the Supreme Court and the rising support for marriage equality in the nation.

WolfsonEvan Wolfson delivered this sizzler:

"Marriage is not defined by who is denied it. When gay people share in the freedom to marry, it doesn't change your marriage, it doesn't change Tony Perkins' marriage. My marriage is my marriage. And it means that I'm able to share in the same aspirations of commitment and love and support and dedication and connectedness, and that my parents are able to dance at our wedding. And our familiy and friends are able to support and celebrate and hold us accountable for the commitment we've made to one another. That takes nothing away from anyone else...

...The gay people are not going to use up all the marriage licenses when we enter marriage. And this is not just somebody saying it. We now have nine states including the District of Columbia, fourteen countries on four continents in which gay people share in the freedom to marry and the result is families are helped and no one is hurt."


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  1. "Being white was all they had left"
    - Alex Haley, ROOTS

    Same thing with Perkins and his cronies. Without being "better" than gays, they're nothing. Not. Our. Problem.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Mar 24, 2013 12:46:54 PM

  2. Why is Perkins -the leader of an identified hate group-given credibility on broadcast television? He is a purveyor of divisiveness and hate and speaks for a dwindling number of "families."

    Posted by: nick | Mar 24, 2013 1:05:09 PM

  3. I wonder what the critical mass of Gay folk getting married is in order for society to collapse as Perkins suggests. And to think Gay folk wanting civil equality will destroy America. Something no super power has ever been able to do. No group, no attack, But simply Gay folk getting married. I had no idea.

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Mar 24, 2013 1:20:59 PM

  4. Nick, that is precisely what I thought.

    Posted by: john patrick | Mar 24, 2013 1:33:15 PM

  5. As usual, Perkins comes up with the same old lies.

    Posted by: Sylvatica | Mar 24, 2013 1:34:42 PM

  6. That other hate supporter on the panel wants me to wait for my civil right so folks can talk about it for a while longer. No thanks.

    Posted by: Jacques | Mar 24, 2013 1:43:50 PM

  7. Perkins has to keep this volleyball in the air because it's his meal ticket. Same with Brown.

    Posted by: palto | Mar 24, 2013 1:50:13 PM

  8. exactly, Palto.

    without a culture of anti-gay bigotry and prejudice, these guys would have NO INCOME.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Mar 24, 2013 1:54:05 PM

  9. why are the bigots always given the last word. and want perkens said is wrong nobody is making you teach your children differently you will still teach them to be bigots no matter what happens.

    Posted by: walter | Mar 24, 2013 1:56:28 PM

  10. I sent the following email to CBS News and Face the Nation this morning, when hate group leader lying prpagandist Tony Perkins was once again given a national platform from which to spew his anti-gay lies and animus:

    "I am a longtime viewer of Face the Nation, and generally admire the program's balanced approach to political debate. However, I must express my strong objections to allowing hate group leader Tony Perkins (of the Family Research Council) to appear as a panelist on your program. Perkins has a clear record of out-and-out lying about LGBT people and spreading false, anti-gay propaganda about LGBT people. The organization that Perkins represents, the Family Research Council, has been classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a certified hate group:

    There is also ample evidence of Perkin's discriminatory, offensive comments about LGBT people displayed at GLAAD's Commentator Accountability Project:

    Please understand that I believe Face the Nation, in presenting debates of various topics, should include opposing points of view, including conervative commentators whose opinions may differ greatly from my own liberal/progressive perspective. However, there are responsible, honest conservative spokespeople that can take part in your program who do not represent an extremist right wing hate group such as the Family Research Council. Tony Perkins has a long record of extremist, offensive anti-gay positions and comments, and he should not appear on Face the Nation. Face the Nation should know better, and should do better.


    Matthew from Boston"

    Posted by: CDMatthew | Mar 24, 2013 2:19:32 PM

  11. More and more I think the truth of Wolfson's words are starting to break through. Frank Bruni said something very similar in his NYT piece linked here yesterday, "the legalization of same-sex marriage takes nothing from anyone."

    For years the Religious Right has been screaming hysterically that gays want to "destroy marriage." And people are susceptible to fear so they bought that message. But unless you're Tony Perkins you can only maintain a state of hysteria for so long and eventually reason kicks in. The obvious question once you get your faculties back is "How does someone else getting married effect me?" It doesn't.

    It's a right-wing delusion that rights (or as Wolfson says, marriage licenses) are finite, that if other people have them too you therefore have less. Rights aren't like the oil supply or some other finite resource. In fact I'd say that giving MORE people access to the institution of marriage, more people seeing it as a desire ideal, strengthens it.

    It's always seemed like an odd contradiction to me that the gay people who want access to marriage actually have more faith in it than those who claim they want to "protect" it, like it's some fragile thing, easily broken. If marriage can withstand the Trumps and Gingrichs of this world I'm pretty sure it can withstand gay people having access, in fact it makes it stronger.

    Posted by: Caliban | Mar 24, 2013 2:20:16 PM

  12. Man, Perkins really can't let go of that alter/altar pun. What a demagogue.

    Posted by: Narducci | Mar 24, 2013 2:28:02 PM

  13. Having children is not a requirement of a marriage. Tony Perkins' point is baseless.

    Posted by: Kyle | Mar 24, 2013 3:05:04 PM

  14. Finally, a voice of reason! The world will not end when same-sex marriage becomes legal...and there will not be a mass abandonment of wives by husbands who suddenly want to be with me. It does not affect anyone else's marriages.

    Posted by: | Mar 24, 2013 3:16:05 PM

  15. Matthew, your email to CBS News and Face the Nation was perfectly expressed. I'm going to send an email as well and reference your remarks. Thanks for the effort.

    Posted by: Rem | Mar 24, 2013 3:27:59 PM

  16. The Alliance Defending Freedom is as objectionable as FRC. It is a right wing Christian organization that defines their mission as keeping "the door open for the spread of the Gospel by transforming the legal system." It's founders include Bill Bright of Campus Crusade for Christ, D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church and James Dobson formerly of Focus on the Family.

    While ADF is less well known, it is no less insidious.

    Posted by: voet | Mar 24, 2013 3:56:25 PM

  17. @Matthew from Boston: That's a great letter with valid points.

    I can't think of any other minority groups besides gay, bi and trans people who have to content with representatives of certified hate groups who are invited to present the flip side of equal rights to TV audiences while ofyen being allowed to make blatantly false claims without being corrected on them by interviewers.

    When Alabama was debating inter-racial marriage before the 2000 election (with 42% ultimately voting for legal sanctions against different-race couples), Meet the Press, CNN and Fox did not invite the Grand Dragon of the Klan on to tell viewers how black and Jewish people will destroy society. Nobody was invited on to cite cooked-up racist "studies" on the havoc weeaked by inter-racial couples while interviwers sat and nodded and then moved on.

    They don't feel the need to create a panel that includes a member of the Flat Earth Society every time they interview an astronaut or a learned representative of NASA.

    I have long been tired of how hateful and scientifically unsupportable rhetoric continues to be presented on sexual orientation and gender identity issues alone as if it were simply "the other side" of some sort of valid debate.

    Posted by: GregV | Mar 24, 2013 4:53:21 PM

  18. GregV - you bring up what irks me most: that nonsense is given credence and weight.

    Olympic judging came under such scrutiny that new rules had to be changed in order for judges to explain their marks following a specific and explicit set of criteria. And here we have things that, you know, actually MATTER and votes still get cast and counted with their defense being, literally, "i know i can't prove it or explain it or back it up but it's just how i feel. so there"

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Mar 24, 2013 5:07:30 PM

  19. I must have a faulty dictionary because under the definition of "moral", I don't see "bigotry". Did they abridge this book like they did their collection of fairy tales (aka bible)?

    Posted by: Isaak | Mar 24, 2013 5:10:03 PM

  20. The religious values of my partner, our two children and myself are not the same as Tony Perkins. Why would he think his are more important than mine?

    It's interesting that those who actively try and take other people's civil liberties away are always crying that prejudice and bigotry are religious rights that they should be protected.

    Posted by: Bart | Mar 24, 2013 5:28:24 PM

  21. I almost missed this article. My husband and I have started stretching and practicing new positions for the upcoming hurricane season. We're going to shoot for three more than last year since the Gay Mafia upped our quota. Wish us luck. We'll bring down this nation yet......

    Posted by: Michaelandfred | Mar 24, 2013 5:36:30 PM

  22. What's with this Roe v Wade crap? Are the religious nuts going to start bombing city halls after they lose Prop 8?

    Posted by: Randy | Mar 24, 2013 5:48:22 PM

  23. Perfectly stated, Evan. Well done. And I agree that Tony Perkins is so lacking in credibility and sanity that he does not deserve a place at the table in this kind of forum. He can blog and newsletter and spout whatever he wants, but he is not deserving of a major news outlet to do so.

    Posted by: SoLeftImRight | Mar 24, 2013 6:20:43 PM

  24. Tony Perkins is the equivalent of the Grand Wizard of the KKK. His position as president of a designated hate group should follow him like a tail, should be included in every introduction. His immunity from condemnation is baffling. GLAAD and HRC need to go after this creep. He is the personification of homophobia and our greatest enemy.

    Posted by: Richard | Mar 24, 2013 11:25:56 PM

  25. Despite the Right's screaming about the FRC being called a hate group and how "unfair" that is, it's not just reasonable but deserved.

    There is a HUGE difference between "Due to my religious beliefs I can't support gay marriage because I believe it should be between one man and one woman" and "Those filthy queers want to b*ttf*ck your children!"

    Tony Perkins and the FRC take EVERY opportunity to lie and distort the truth about gay people, to demonize us. Because Tony Perkins has a bit of media savvy he doesn't come across as a total loon on TV but that's the ONLY difference between the FRC and the Westboro Baptist Church.

    That's what's so infuriating. None of these shows do their homework and make Tony Perkins either stand by or disavow the outrageous statement of the FRC, which he represents. He's like the kinder, gentler face of the KKK and they NEVER call him on it! Idiots!

    Posted by: Caliban | Mar 25, 2013 12:48:35 AM

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