Comments

  1. Chitown Kev says

    States’ rights is, at least, a traditional and consistent conservative position.

    that’s why I think the Supremes will have 6 or even 7 votes for declaring sec. 3 of DOMA unconstitutional.

    In fact, i think that one justice (either Roberts or Alito) with write a concurring opinion (a la Justice O’Conner in Lawrence) reaffirming the 10th amendment violations in the context of this specific case.

  2. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    I have to agree with Lymis. This is just a function of the anti-equality side suffering wave after wave of people abandoning the anti-equality cause because they have concluded that it is just unwinnable. Most of the former anti-equality movement is now defunct, and all that is left to carry on is a small rump movement consisting entirely of fundamentalist Xtians. It’s curtains for the Xtianists.

  3. Mike in nyc says

    He, like his Evil master Rupert, knows it’s Game Over, so instead of looking like past tense dead enders, they are accepting progress.

    They know it looks bad to be on the losing side of History.

  4. kpo5 says

    Fox News wants this issue behind them. That’s why it’s getting such little play.

    They sound archaic when they have contributors like Todd Starnes calling themselves “second-class citizens” for their “religious convictions.” But they also sound weak to their base of nutcases when they present the facts (polling is skyrocketing in our favor, the Prop 8 proponents got smoked in the lower courts, Bill O surprisingly supports it, etc.).

    At this point, they’re clicking their heels and hoping to wake up in a world where they can run stories like “Gay Marriage in All 50: Was it Judicial Activism?” or “California Voters’ Voices Silenced!” That’ll rally the troops in 2014 and they won’t have to be anti-gay; they can just be anti-Dem again.

  5. Rick says

    Great. It will be really interesting to see what some of you do when marriage equality becomes a reality, ENDA gets passed, and the entire gay political agenda is realized………and you then find out that none of it has made a hill of beans worth of difference in the lives of 98% of gay men……and can no longer blame your problems on conservatives, Republicans, and “Christians”.

    You will find that if you persist with the culture of effeminacy, you will still not be respected or accepted by other men–or, more importantly, each other……you will find that having the right to marry will not change the fact that the vast majority of gay men never manage to form a lasting, loving connection to another man…..you will find that drug abuse, alcoholism, STD-infection and suicide continue to plague gay men in disproportionate numbers.

    Perhaps THEN the REAL demons of gay life will be faced at long last.

  6. MichaelJ says

    O’Reilly, others at Fox and in general the newly pro-gay marriage folk are basically political opportunists. I would guess that what O’Reilly is now saying is he and other right-wingers have long felt — that gay marriage or not doesn’t really matter in the scheme of things. But when homophobic stances could gain political traction, they would only espouse anti-gay rhetoric (about marriage or anything else) and wouldn’t dare say what they felt. Now that the tide is shifting toward aceptance of gay relationships, anti-gay rhetoric has become a liability and they are changing their tune. (I’d say the same about some Democrats. While they might have refrained from the worst anti-gay rhetoric, they only come out for gay marriage when it no longer seems to be a political liability.)
    So, the dominoes (of political opportunists) are indeed falling, thanks to all the organizing and protests around marriage equality, which has turned being pro-gay marriage from a political liability to something positive or at least nuetral.

  7. MichaelJ says

    O’Reilly, others at Fox and in general the newly pro-gay marriage folk are basically political opportunists. I would guess that what O’Reilly is now saying is he and other right-wingers have long felt — that gay marriage or not doesn’t really matter in the scheme of things. But when homophobic stances could gain political traction, they would only espouse anti-gay rhetoric (about marriage or anything else) and wouldn’t dare say what they felt. Now that the tide is shifting toward aceptance of gay relationships, anti-gay rhetoric has become a liability and they are changing their tune. (I’d say the same about some Democrats. While they might have refrained from the worst anti-gay rhetoric, they only come out for gay marriage when it no longer seems to be a political liability.)
    So, the dominoes (of political opportunists) are indeed falling, thanks to all the organizing and protests around marriage equality, which has turned being pro-gay marriage from a political liability to something positive or at least nuetral.

  8. kpo5 says

    Great. It will be really interesting to see what some of you do when marriage equality becomes a reality, ENDA gets passed, and the entire gay political agenda is realized………and you then find out that my father still hates me.

    FTFY

  9. Caliban says

    I’m sending a flying pig to go get me a bag of ice from Hell!

    Honestly that he supports it doesn’t surprise me that much. That he’s saying he supports it is the surprise, and that he’s calling out the Bible-thumpers. That’s Fox’s core audience!

  10. says

    there will be countless videos on youtube cutting back and forth between the positively Sybil-ian nature in which “gay marriage” has been championed, dismissed and denigrated by O’Reilly.

    dude knows which way the wind is blowing and is afraid of looking bad. good news – his fanbase have short memories.

    they’ve already forgotten about his loofah-falafel soapy-b00bs phonecalls.

    kp0 – you crack me UP! :-)

    this is actually classic O’Reilly – who is this man, and what does he do? he’s a man who lies to a very specific and stupid target audience to appease their small minds. and every once in a while, he needs to hike his pants up and remember that the world spun one more day, and he can’t get *too* far behind.

    optimistic side – may this inspire change in at least some of his braindead base.

    to any young people who read this page and saw the cowardly B.S. that the troll Rick wrote – dont’ worry: be yourselves, always. be exactly who and what you are, in whatever way makes you happiest. there is no such thing as a “culture of effeminacy’ – that’s something that grown adult men who are still closeted say as en excuse to remain closeted. ignore them. they’re wrong. but you likely already know this, from the people you meet and the lives you change by living in the real world.

    the good news is this – the “fem hating” gay men are not people you will meet out in the real world; those guys are too cowardly to set foot outside their front door. so rest assured, you won’t have to deal with them in public. as for straight bigots, they’re changing their tunes, too. i’ve been called a “femme” by some insecure gay men online, but i’ve got a family that has my back 100% and straight male buds that join my family and i marching in the pride parades every year. if being a “femme” meant straight men didnt’ respect me, i wouldn’t have the life i have today. and my life rocks. so rest assured, you dont’ need to change who you are to be accepted and embraced – you being exactly who you are will help them change from bigots to brothers.

    hugs.

  11. jamal49 says

    @dearcomrade: best comment today.

    No fan of Bill O’Reilly but if Bill O’Reilly drops a hit on the “bible thumpers”, I’d say marriage equality is a done deal.

  12. Francis says

    Hew didn’t come out in support of marriage equality. He said he doesn’t care about it being legal. He’s always had a pretty similar position on it. Just two weeks ago, he was calling a gay politician a pedophile defender, so I’m not going to celebrate this but it is another clear signal that blatant homophobia is on it’s way out in our society. It’s now becoming no longer cool or OK to pick on gay people. We’re now a litmus test in a sense. If you’re cool, you’re cool with us, and if you’re not cool with us, you’re not cool.

    That’s a very cool thing!

  13. says

    @ Little Kiwi :

    Yikes !

    Before you posted I was just about to head you off at the Pass with another reminder to you of your New Year’s Resolution.
    But this time your exception to your rule is validated.
    Young people and all gays of all ages need to know that a major percentage of us do form loving, caring relationships; we do settle down, some get married , some have kids, some for a large circle of social buddies and have their own family of friends.

    But the negative doom-filled narrative above ( of he who must not be named) is sad and pathetic.
    No we don’t get diseases, yes we are respected professionals, some of us at the very top of our professions, yes we are respected by our peers and have close bonds with straights.
    And the more we are open about our lives the more we will smash the old dated stereotypes so beloved of ‘he who must not be named’.
    No, it’s not all a crazy Dantesque circle of butch/femme…….I don’t even recognise those terms anymore.
    We have moved on.

  14. says

    Well, that’s just it, Jack – and gay men who are Out and live and breathe in the real world know the truth. straight men, and confident gay men, don’t give a flip about concepts of “masc” or “femme” – i’ve got a straight father and straight male friends who proudly march with “us” in the pride parades, who proudly wear their rainbow bracelets to show solidarity and support.

    there is no such thing as a “culture of effeminacy” – there is only Closet Culture, which drives people insane and makes them into trolls who tell themselves lies every day in order to justify remaining hidden.

  15. Graphicjack says

    This only proves to me that Bill O’Rielly doesn’t even believe what he says three quarters of the time… He shills out right-wing retoric that he himself doesn’t believe, but thinks will gain him ratings. When it won’t hurt his ratings, he steps out behind the curtain to reveal he doesn’t really care about equal marriage one way or the other. Oh, really? So why did you scream and shout about it for years? Could it be that you were just pandering to your sheeple audience? He’s a fraud and he’s a loud obnoxious bully. Glad he said the truth for once, but I still have no respect for him.

  16. mike/ says

    that explains why i thought i felt “the earth move under my feet” last night.

    i realize he is being politically expedient and Fox wants to give of the this parade float, but still this i O’Reilly. oh, and O’Reilly’s catholic. wonder if Dolan had him on the phone right after the show?

  17. Gwen says

    I say BIBLE thumping do you even read the bible. GOD’S word says very plain. MARRIAGE BETWEEN 1 MAN AND 1 WOMAN only. God said it that settled it.

  18. Gwen says

    God also said it’s ok for men to impregnate their daughters and that’s why my sister and I always look forward to “cave weekends” with our dad. Except if I’m having my period that weekend in which case my dad usually throws rocks at me.

  19. anon says

    Bill’s M.O. is to be Mr. Populist on issues. He reads the polls and now that support for SSM is about 60% he knows it’s time to jump ship. Also, Shepherd Smith told him if he didn’t change his mind, he’d slash his tires.

  20. PAUL B. says

    Thanks Bill…evolution didn’t completely pass you by after all.
    Rick…you’re a laugh a minute…as always, thanks for bringing some comedy to the table.

  21. FFS says

    And where was your god’s objection to all those numerous wives that Abraham had, Gwen? Did good ole Abe keep the extras in a lead-lined bunker where your god’s x-ray vision couldn’t see them?

  22. andrew says

    @Gwen: The ancient tribal god of the Israelites actually shows us many times in the “holy” book that he wants men to be able to have numerous wives and concubines. He is quoted as saying to one of his favorites David: ” Didn’t I give you your lord’ s (Saul) wives and houses”. He even approved of incestuous marriages by making Abraham, who was married to his half sister Sarah, the the father of his tribe.

  23. PAUL B. says

    Oh, the bible…let me think. Wasn’t it
    Adam & Eve (not Adam & Steve mind you)who had those lovely boys…Cain & Able. Must have been some great parenting skills going on with that 1st. hetero couple. If my memory serves me right…Cain killed Able, right? Or did he marry him? I’m not sure….that book is so confusing to me.

  24. says

    I don’t thing we should consider this a political shift just yet. O’Reilly is just one of the talking heads guarding the inhabitants of Bullsh*t Mountain from rejoining the world of the sane. Fox News is a propaganda machine which dumbs down America by the day through disinformation and their slanted agendas. See their anchors spewing forth feces from their mouths in my visual homage to the network on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-fox-news-scylla-guardian-of-bullsht.html

  25. says

    I don’t thing we should consider this a political shift just yet. O’Reilly is just one of the talking heads guarding the inhabitants of Bullsh*t Mountain from rejoining the world of the sane. Fox News is a propaganda machine which dumbs down America by the day through disinformation and their slanted agendas. See their anchors spewing forth feces from their mouths in my visual homage to the network on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-fox-news-scylla-guardian-of-bullsht.html

  26. Jack says

    I think Bill O’Reilly sincerely believes what he says and is not pandering in the same way people like Limbaugh and Hannity do. Oh, he usually pisses me off — but he wouldn’t be friends with Jon Stewart (see their excellent debate) if he were as easy to pigeonhole as most of you make out. And on this I believe him.

  27. Billy says

    / Hi TLRD. Saw this on the net. Reaction? /

    (The following paper was inspired by Bill O’Reilly whose TV show favors God Dumpers and not “Bible Thumpers.” Quotes are from “Vital Quotations” by Emerson West.)

    DANGEROUS BIBLE THUMPERS OF AMERICA

    ROBERT E. LEE: “In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength.” (p. 21)
    DANIEL WEBSTER: “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper.” (p. 21)
    JOHN QUINCY ADAMS: “I have made it a practice for several years to read the Bible through in the course of every year.” (p. 22)
    ABRAHAM LINCOLN: “I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Saviour of the world is communicated to us through this book.” (p. 22)
    GEORGE WASHINGTON: “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.” (p. 22)
    HORACE GREELEY: “It is impossible to mentally or socially enslave a Bible-reading people.” (p. 23)
    THOMAS JEFFERSON: “I hold the precepts of Jesus as delivered by himself to be the most pure, benevolent, and sublime which have ever been preached to man. I adhere to the principles of the first age; and consider all subsequent innovations as corruptions of this religion, having no foundation in what came from him.” (p. 45)
    THOMAS JEFFERSON: “Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would by now have become Christian.” (p. 47)
    BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: “As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see.” (p.49)
    WOODROW WILSON: “The sum of the whole matter is this—-that our civilization cannot survive materially unless it be redeemed spiritually. It can only be saved by becoming permeated with the spirit of Christ and being made free and happy by practices which spring out of that spirit.” (p. 143)
    PATRICK HENRY: “There is a just God who presides over the destiny of nations.” (p. 145)
    THOMAS JEFFERSON: “Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction.” (p. 225)
    THOMAS JEFFERSON: “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus.” (p. 237)
    GEORGE WASHINGTON: “The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low, that every person of sense and character detests and despises it.” (p. 283)
    BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: “Here is my creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshiped.” (p. 301)
    CALVIN COOLIDGE: “The strength of a country is the strength of its religious convictions.” (p. 305)
    GEORGE WASHINGTON: “The perpetuity of this nation depends upon the religious education of the young.” (p. 306)

    Prior to our increasingly “Hell-Bound and Happy” era, America’s greatest leaders were part of the (gulp) Religious Right! Today we’ve forgotten God’s threat (to abort America) in Psa. 50:22—-“Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.” Memo to God Dumpers: In light of Rev. 16:19, can you be sure you won’t be in a city that God has already reserved for destruction?

  28. Sarah says

    “Thump the Bible?” Just because God is brought into the convo doesn’t make somebody a Bible thumper. We Christians have just as much of a right to stick up for what we believe in just as much as anyone els has the right to breath air. No need for labeling.
    And God never loses a battle.

  29. Jerry says

    Bill you may say you support gay marriage, but I’ll go with God on this, you’re so out of your league on this it isn’t even funny, actually sad as I thought you were a man who believes in God, I see I was wrong.

  30. RJ says

    The bible also says to kill your child if they curse. I don’t see preachers recommending parents kill their children even though the bible requires it: “For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; ahis blood is upon him.” Leviticus 20:9

Leave A Reply