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  1. woodroad34d says

    I wonder who these people represent. Cold-hearted, unsympathetic, socio-pathic people? Oh, right (slaps head): the NRA, not the American people.

  2. MaryM says

    Both Obama and Giffords are well aware that senators do not represent the public. Senators represent lobby groups and corporations.

    It’s not like we live in a democracy any more. They know it. So thei’r fake outrage is just a PR move.

  3. Steve says

    He makes the mistake to assume that these Senators have any empathy and humanity. Sociopaths don’t. They only care about themselves and their power over other people.

  4. Zach says

    Gun violence, school violence, violence of every sort has been been falling for the last three decades. It is not shameful that the senate did not act, it is shameful that anti-gun individuals try to play on the emotions of people over individual tragedies to work towards their ultimate goal of taking guns out of the hands of individuals. You want to cut gun violence, end the war on drugs. 85% of gun homicides are gang related in the United States, if you separate gang relate homicides and non-gang related homicides the US non-gang homicide rate is on par with those beloved European countries that have effectively outlawed guns.

  5. AG says

    Do Obama and Giffords have any rational arguments that don’t appeal to emotions? What has Obama done to convince opponents of the new gun control bill — other than dancing on the graves of the Sandy Hook victims?

  6. David Hearne says

    Keep telling yourselves that folks. I am a member of the NRA and I don’t manufacture or sell guns. I am a US CITIZEN, not a British subject, and I have an unalienable RIGHT to keep and bear arms. The government is expressly forbidden, unlike any other entry in the Bill Of Rights, expressly forbidden to infringe on that individual right to keep and bear arms.

    Your so-called “common sense” politicians had a chance to get their enhanced background checks through the Senate. They could have agreed to national reciprocity of state issued concealed carry permits (like we do for drivers licenses and heterosexual marriages) , but they had convinced themselves that their greed would be rewarded. Well it was- it was rewarded with failure. They have no one to blame but themselves.

  7. David Hearne says

    Steve – What has empathy or humanity have to do with this? Nothing in this law would have prevented any of the events you people whine on about. Passing a gun control law to make you feel better about yourself, because “well at least we did something” is not empathy, it’s simpleminded emotionalism.

  8. Paul R says

    Yeah, everything written more than 200 years ago makes a ton of sense and we shouldn’t change any of it because it’s all perfect. I mean gosh, we’ve never changed laws before, and I can think of tons of reasons why you need a gun.

    Also, I’m being sarcastic.

  9. Peter says

    It takes a special kind of sociopath to look into the eyes of people who have been affected by gun violence (one of whom was a colleague) and remain unswayed by these victims. This day, the American people have seen the halls of Congress are filled with elected sociopaths.

  10. VDUFFORD says

    The only way gun toting idiots will get it though their heads is if some other gun toting idiot puts a bullet though their head. Or just maybe someone they love…but I doubt it.

  11. David Hearne says

    Paul R – There is a constitutional process for changing the constitution. Personally, I think the constitution forbids repealing the Second Amendment, but others disagree. Be that as it may, if one wants to repeal the Second Amendment there is a process for it, and passing a regular federal law is neither proper nor sufficient for the purpose.

    So have the integrity to go at this in a constitutional way. Repeal the Second Amendment. While you are at it, repeal the First Amendment, you know you want to. But do it properly.

  12. thom says

    …”Shameful” is too soft a word to use for what just happened in the Senate. Those GOP Senators are simply NOT representative of the majority of Americans. They are out of touch with reality and angry reactionaries. They are NOT good people. They are smug and angry and they HAVE YET to tell us why extended and broader background checks should NOT be in force. Why? Because there IS NO JUSTIFICATION for their actions other than sociopathic behavior. This is one of the “loop holes” in our free society and is repellent. There is a special place for these people and it is not Heaven.

  13. David Hearne says

    Peter, exactly what special quality does being the relative of a victim of violence imbue one with such that ones emotional demands should be met regardless of their conflict with the principles of our culture and country?

  14. says

    It’s not about the Second Amendment at all, which is not even close to being in danger.

    It’s all about money–that’s why the NRA now opposes reasonable bills they once supported. Since hunting culture is fading and gun sales for sportsmen are way down from what they once were, they are increasingly marketing guns as accessories, specifically targeting those who accumulate a whole lot of them, i.e. gun nuts.

    And legislators from red states (even Democratic ones) are intimidated by the NRA (i.e. cowards) and by what it would mean in their next election if their precious NRA score gets downgraded. This lost because of money and elections–Washington politics at their most disgraceful.

    Unless the majority demands gun control action, this is how it will go.

  15. Peter says

    @joe–No, these proposals might not have. But at least it would have made it more difficult to happen.

    @David Hearne–Sorry, chump. You don’t get to address me without an @ mark. As for your comments, if you have enough time on your hands to troll, you can talk to the survivors of the Sandy Hook victims about how happy they should be that your rights to your penis substitute were protected.

  16. says

    “I have something I want to say to the victims of Newtown, or any other shooting. I don’t care if it’s here in Minneapolis or anyplace else. Just because a bad thing happened to you doesn’t mean that you get to put a king in charge of my life. I’m sorry that you suffered a tragedy, but you know what? Deal with it, and don’t force me to lose my liberty, which is a greater tragedy than your loss. I’m sick and tired of seeing these victims trotted out, given rides on Air Force One, hauled into the Senate well, and everyone is just afraid — they’re terrified of these victims. … I would stand in front of them and tell them, ‘Go to hell.'”
    -Bob Davis, Minnesota Radio Host

    literally. that’s what he said.

  17. Tom says

    Yesterdays vote was a classic example of how one of the three biggest lobbies are running America, the insurance lobby, the Wall St. lobby, and of course, the NRA for the gun lobby. Gun manufactures are big funders now of the NRA, so it will take a monumental effort to get any kind of gun legislation passed, if ever.

  18. says

    they’ve not multiplied, Eric. but they’re doing what trolls do best – creating sockpuppets to make it seem as if they have actual numbers.

    those that can’t tell the truth about themselves waste a lot of time telling lies about others.

  19. David Hearne says

    Andrew – What part about the Second Amendment being part of the Bill Of Rights do you not understand? Your idea of common sense or logic is utterly irrelevant. It’s part of our Constitution. If you want to change that, you have to repeal the Second Amendment. You can’t pass a federal law which infringes on the right to keep and bear arms and have it survive the Supreme Court. So why bother other than to pretend to be doing something?

    Grow up. Newtown happened because a crazy person attacked a school, not because millions of Americans have pistols and rifles.

  20. David Hearne says

    Is there some NRA registry where we can find David Hearne’s name? Perhaps then we could finally put a cowardly trollish face to the name that has for so long blighted the comments section on this blog.

  21. says

    Funny, we “trample all over” the 5th/14th amendments in re: human and civil rights, and that’s fine with the right-wing, but we even *think* of doing that would evolve the 1st/2nd amendments and NOW they throw a wobbler-fit?

    Am I missing something here, or is the derp REALLY strong? >_<

  22. DC Arnold says

    82% of us do not have an office on K Street nor near enough money to obtain a Senator’s attention (or a House member’s for that matter). Our elected officials only work for the wealthy and to combat that we must muster the votes necessary to get rid of whomever represents you (especially if they are repug)and voted nay. While we’re at it we should get rid of filibuster anything and return to 50+1 voting.

  23. MaryM says

    I don’t want to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

    I just want to make sure that only guns which were available to purchse 200 years ago can be legally bought nowawdays.

    That’s perfectly reasonable.

    If that’s not possible then clearly background checks; police checks etc are required before you can buy a gun.

    The 2nd Amendment really is a piece of crap.

    Tour ‘right’ to own a gun does not trump my right to be protected from guns.

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