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Anti-Gay RNC Leader and Gay Republican Leader War Over Party's Marriage Position on 'Hardball': VIDEO

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Check out thiis must-watch Hardball segment on Friday's RNC vote to reaffirm its opposition to same-sex marriage.

Chris Matthews watches with incredulity as Texas RNC Committeeman Robin Armstrong, who calls the GOP "the tolerant party", tells Matthews that he'd still join the GOP even if it were against the African-American civil rights movement.

Then Matthews asks Log Cabin Republican Executive Director Gregory Angelo how he likes being in a political party that doesn't believe in his equality. Says Angelo:"We're not part of the party because of its stance against so-called 'traditional marriage'. We're a part of the party in spite of that."

Armstrong and Angelo then engage in some back and forth debate with Matthews that reveals why the Republican Party is going down over this issue.

Watch, AFTER THE JUMP...

2_agemaIncidentally, the RNC resolution that was passed on Friday was sponsored by none other than Dave Agema, the Michigan committeeman who has been at the center of a GOP storm over the anti-gay comments he posted on Facebook.

Agema tooted his horn on Friday following the vote:

"I am pleased with our success in the face of unrelenting criticism from the left and want to thank national social conservative leaders who made their voices heard loud and clear in this process," Agema said in a release following today's vote at the RNC's annual spring meeting in Los Angeles.

"I hope that we can all now move forward and talk about other issues … We have won the battle, and I will have nothing more to say on this matter."

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  1. @Geoffrey - BWAAAAHA!

    Yeah. They do tend to freak out when they realize our minds have made the great mental leap from the Dark Ages, eh?

    it's a very interesting time right now - we have the GOProuders who are tolerated by their anti-gay families as long as they toe the line by hating ....well... anything perceived as "liberal", including taking cowardly inactive stances on LGBT Equality, then we have Salmon-style LCR nonsense, where they find their tolerance by pretending that the intolerant people aren't the Republicans, and their family members, who support and promote anti-gay discrimination, but the LGBT folks of "the left" who....uh.... call out the bigotry inherent to that discrimination.

    i think what likely frustrates a lot of us (as it certainly frustrates me) is that the GOPs bigotry can only be maintained while ignoring proven actual factual legit empirical realities.

    first marriage was about procreation, except it's not - when dealing with hetersexuals who cannot, or choose not to, procreate.

    then it was about tradition, except not really because traditions change with alarming regularity.

    then it was about religion, but it can't be because many religions support and champion marriage equality, and one religion can't force another to follow "rules" they do not share. oh, and that whole "religious beliefs cannot be used to codify law" thing.

    they don't have arguments, they have talking-points and strawmen, both of which are easily torn apart. and then when they're torn apart they move the goalposts. and when you point that out they say "well, you're being intolerant of my freedom to speak my different opinion" or some nonsense like that.

    but it truly is the fault of gay republicans that the GOP doesnt' support LGBT Equality.

    if what we gay liberals are doing is what "contributes" to our non-gay liberal friends family and allies supporting Equality, then what the gay conservatives are doing is the reason the GOP has barely budged.

    after all, those Gay republicans are the "friends and family" that anti-gay republicans are always insisting they have.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Apr 14, 2013 4:15:24 PM


  2. It is not like this gay Republican fellow has to switch to the D side. The Libertarians would be a good fit for him. Or he could go independent. Lots of options that allow one to be a complete human being.

    Anyway,what he and other gay/gay-friendly Repubs need to realize is that the GOP bigwigs don't understand how much this country has changed on this issue. The fools are so afraid of scaring away the social conservatives that the whole party will probably go down before the official platform changes. Don't stay on that sinking ship.

    Posted by: mark | Apr 14, 2013 5:29:48 PM


  3. "How could opposition to same-sex marriage be essential to being a Republican?" Great question. As Mr. Angelo said, people are "evolving," so I'm not sure that Dr. Armstrong is right. My prediction is that Libertarians, as pointed in the video, will split the Republican Party.

    Posted by: MuscleModelBlog.com | Apr 14, 2013 5:50:04 PM


  4. They need to get the religious folks like that Texan out of that party, I thought the gay guy did well, even though I have no idea why he is a republican...

    Posted by: ty | Apr 14, 2013 7:15:29 PM


  5. he thinks he has won.

    Posted by: Rees Cramer | Apr 14, 2013 7:58:52 PM


  6. "I believe that it is the height of arrogance, that we can change 6000 years of history". - RNC chairman Robin Armstrong

    ...Very awkward, coming from the lips of an African American, who has most obviously has benefited from radical change of the civil rights movement. Thankfully for him, the pioneers of the civil rights movement didn't share his attitude.

    Posted by: Rafa | Apr 14, 2013 9:29:39 PM


  7. the both look and speak like dopes.

    Posted by: Reality | Apr 14, 2013 9:37:26 PM


  8. The next time someone on the Right claims that it's hubris to think that we can change 6,000 years of history in regards to marriage equality ask them whether they think King George thought was hubris for a bunch of colonists to change 5,700 years of history by giving non-land holding peasants a choice in how they are governed.

    Posted by: Dubeats | Apr 14, 2013 10:22:55 PM


  9. It is funny why he wants to go back 6000 years to the stone age or even the dark age when Europe struggled through the worst period in history to create the greatest modern civilization on Earth.

    Posted by: simon | Apr 14, 2013 10:48:23 PM


  10. @scollingsworth : While a bit of a quibble, marriage over the past 6000 years was usually between a man and and as many wives as he could afford. The economic arrangements could, however, be complex as sometimes multiple wives could act as a labor force. Read http://www.contemporaryfamilies.org/marriage-partnership-divorce/polygamy.html for details

    Both the Romans and the Greeks, however, disapproved of polygamy, but that was an exception worldwide. Citation: http://www.princeton.edu/~pswpc/pdfs/scheidel/010903.pdf
    Apparently the Christians went with the Roman custom - smart move in a sense as the Romans were running the show and, as a cynic would point out, Jesus found out what happened when they got really mad at you, whether for good reason or not.

    Posted by: Bill | Apr 14, 2013 10:57:22 PM


  11. It is ironic he spilled his ignorance and prejudice in the name of "civilization" or in other cases religious dogma, the kind of things men tried to escape from at the dawn of modern civilization.

    Posted by: simon | Apr 15, 2013 12:32:20 AM


  12. With kids coming out at younger and younger ages, it is only a matter of time..the Republican'ts will be gone...and I do think the fear of political suicide on their part is a moot point. With their antics over the past 5 years, post-mortem is more like it.

    Posted by: billmiller | Apr 15, 2013 7:44:36 AM


  13. Yet another black asshat supporting ignorance and they got a gay one too.

    Posted by: DC Arnold | Apr 15, 2013 8:12:41 AM


  14. Yay another black man leading the fight against equality, all while joining the republican party no less.

    Posted by: Sean | Apr 15, 2013 9:44:53 AM


  15. See this video perfectly illustrates how WEAK log cabin republicans are....Chris Matthews as a straight man had more PASSION and tenacity fighting for equality than that weak, timid, scared little gay republican who couldn't stand up to that bigot in his party who was arguing that he was worthy of second class treatment.

    Gay people can be so weak when faced with bigotry. If he questioned that man's rights as a black man, Chris Matthews wouldn't have to interject and speak for him. The black republican would speak for himself. The gay republican can't stand up to his own party? needs a straight man to educate another straight man on gay civil rights?

    Posted by: DatDude | Apr 15, 2013 9:47:48 AM


  16. That gay republican is such an apologist.

    Posted by: Joe | Apr 15, 2013 9:49:14 AM


  17. How come Jewish people or woman or any other demographic who've endured great pain say they OWN the term 'civil rights' like black people do? Who made this meme official that any demographic enduring injustice must seek permission from the black community to use the term civil rights. Last I checked, many a groups have fought for their civil rights.

    Posted by: Scott Johansen | Apr 15, 2013 9:54:10 AM


  18. @ Scott Johansen
    Preach! someone finally mustered up the courage to say it.

    Posted by: Michelle | Apr 15, 2013 9:55:36 AM


  19. Scott Johansen,
    I agree. And it's a question I sincerely don't think gets asked quite enough, due to not being politically correct to state.

    Posted by: Steve-ATL | Apr 15, 2013 9:57:33 AM


  20. Did marriages not occur before Christianity or am I mistaken??

    Posted by: Kurt | Apr 15, 2013 10:00:25 AM


  21. Kay I'm gonna say it: why is it in our society we introduce doctors as 'doctor blank' outside their facility, as though they had a title of perfection bestowed upon them by a higher power?

    Great. You're a doctor. You retained a lot of information, memorized, and worked hard enough, but that doesn't equate to a superior human being. Certainly not one worthy of being qualified by their profession as though you are a supremely marvelous individual.

    I have a friend who's a doctor who thinks it's amusing to hurt the feelings of his girlfriends, and gets off on it. He openly says he went to med school to bang as much "p*ssy" as possible. His words.

    I have a teacher friend who truly helps inspire kids every day she goes to work.

    Why does the other not get fawned over with "Teacher Merkley" anytime she's introduced in a public setting?

    Posted by: Real Talk | Apr 15, 2013 10:07:01 AM


  22. I say this as a biracial female, but when people with my racial background (or any ethnic minority background) cite things that occurred in history thousands of years ago as a principle for what is appropriate to occur today, you almost want to take a moment and just pinch yourself. Really, guy? really? because there were traditions dating back many years ago that would leave you and me begging for mercy for our life based on our coloring. There's many awful things that happened 6,000 years ago, and continued happening for thousands of years. Doesn't make them noble or appropriate for the present day and age.

    Posted by: Sheila | Apr 15, 2013 10:16:48 AM


  23. One can only imagine how a Republican cringes every time one of these black Republicans says "We" or "Our". Not that black Democrats are any more welcome, but Democrats are used to pretending to be accepting.

    Posted by: David Hearne | Apr 15, 2013 10:25:06 AM


  24. Some of you folks sound like you were literally born yesterday. Do you think that the Democratic Party has always been supportive of gay people and gay rights? Think again. In fact, if you are at least 25 years old, the Democratic Party has only supported gay rights in your lifetime.

    And don't kid yourself that it's because we are so universally loved and accepted by Democrats. It's politics. The Democratic Party has been pursuing a strategy that looks open and accepting on the outside, but is really nothing more than trying to weave together a coalition of people by convincing them all that there is no where else for them to go.

    Look at the first Obama run for the White House. What were the Hillary Clinton voters told as she was stabbed in the back by the party and the Kennedys? They were told "Where are you going to go?" They were called racists and told that the reason they supported Hillary and not Obama was because they were old and white and "afraid of change".

    F__k you people.

    Posted by: David Hearne | Apr 15, 2013 10:32:25 AM


  25. Hearne, stop being angry that dems and liberals are doing what your own piece of sh*t family won't do - support Equality.

    go polish your guns and beg mommy for another day of tolerance. maybe fill her feedbag. see if she needs milking. you know, help around the house for a change :D

    i like how you come in here every day to prove liberal-minded gays correct. another day, another series of bitter insecure rambles from a right-leaning sack of crap. yay!

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Apr 15, 2013 10:38:17 AM


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