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Gay Man Killed In Greenwich Village Hate Crime

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Tragic murder committed in the early hours of the day.

CarsonNew York's CBS 2 reports:

A gunman used anti-gay slurs before he shot and killed a man in fashionable Greenwich Village early Saturday, police Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

Police were dispatched to the corner of 8th Street and Sixth Avenue just after midnight Saturday. They found the victim, an unidentified 32-year-old man, on the ground with a gunshot wound to the head, police said.

Kelly said the gunman...first urinated on the street outside a bar, then walked into the bar, according to an Associated Press report. The man proceeded to make anti-gay remarks to the bartender and show that he had a silver pistol in his holster, the wire service reported.

Kelly then said the gunman came up to the victim and his companion outside, asked if they were “gay wrestlers,” and shot the victim in the face, the wire service reported.

According to the NY Post, a suspect was apprehended shortly after the shooting: "The gunman ran five blocks before cops collared him at West Third Street and MacDougal Street."

NYC Council Speaker Christine Quinn released a statement condemming the attack:

"I am horrified to learn that last night, a gay man was murdered in my district after being chased out of a Greenwich Village restaurant and assailed by homophobic slurs....There was a time in New York City when two people of the same gender could not walk the street arm-in-arm without fear of violence and harassment. We refuse to go back to that time.”

Also speaking out this morning is State Senator Brad Hoylman:

"I am outraged by the recent wave of anti-LGBT violence in our city and it is shocking and extremely distressing that a man was shot to death just this morning apparently because he was gay. Nobody anywhere should have to live with fear of harm because of his or her sexual orientation.... I applaud the NYPD for making a swift arrest in this case and call on all New Yorkers to unite against hate and gun violence."

Neither the victim or the suspect have been identified. Updates as they come in.

Update: Victim has been ID'd as Marc Carson, according to a NYT police source. Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly: “This clearly looks to be a hate crime.”

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  1. People are shot in the face, no less, and we sing the "woe is me" bigot song. Now you can at least -- if the Supreme Court approves-- find solace and salvation by marrying one individual. Then you'll be bigot-proof.

    Posted by: GB | May 18, 2013 11:23:49 PM


  2. All of these wannabe cowboys:

    Shot in the face generally means no time to pull a gun in self defense.

    So unless you can somehow manufacture precognitive speed draw skills, being armed is NOT going to stop an insane person who wants to kill people.

    It wasn't a deterrent in the old west, it sure as hell won't be a deterrent to a dedicated criminal now.

    Posted by: Polyboy | May 18, 2013 11:57:51 PM


  3. @Poly -- The deterrent is that your attacker knows he COULD die. As it stands (in New York) your attacker is certain he won't.

    By the way, you're presenting presumed and fictitious "facts" then building a case upon those imaginary facts. You're off the debate squad.

    Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen | May 19, 2013 12:29:25 AM


  4. these attacks will continue. it's time for Queers who can afford to do so to arm ourselves with whatever weaponry works for us...including guns.

    weaponry and weapons-skills are not THE answer. raising awareness is not THE answer. vigilance is not THE answer. conflict-deescalation is not THE answer.

    we must have ALL of these options, and the time to face that is NOW.

    i will not cut off my nose to spite Wayne Lapierre's face. anyone who feels otherwise should limit that foolishness to themselves.

    as for guns in this encounter, we dont actually know the play-by-play in detail. vigilance and weaponry would have been needed by Marc(k?) Carson, and publicized incidents of armed queers shooting their attackers would be quite effective at scaring off other attacks.

    rest assured, it will take awhile to change NY's despicable gun laws. rest assured, those of you who hate guns will have plenty of future chances to tell us how "raising awareness" will solve the problem...because there will be more gay victims killed by gaybashers.

    some of those bashers should and must _die_ at the hands of their intended victims.

    Posted by: Jeton Ademaj | May 19, 2013 3:12:11 AM


  5. Jeton, Democrats don't want any crazed bigots getting killed by guns because it lowers their voting population. That's the main reason why Dems support gun control to disarm lawful citizens.

    Posted by: Kev C | May 19, 2013 4:04:03 AM


  6. I lived in NYC, for thirteen years, West 4th and 8th street was the only part of town I felt unsafe in. It's the worst of B/T, so sad.

    Posted by: TRAVIS HARVEY | May 19, 2013 4:09:01 AM


  7. I say: By Any Means Necessary, and that includes, yes, Firearms.

    Posted by: Max | May 19, 2013 4:19:35 AM


  8. I say: By Any Means Necessary, and that includes, yes, Firearms.

    Posted by: Max | May 19, 2013 4:19:38 AM


  9. THE VICIM OF THIS ATTACK WAS A BLACK GAY MAN!

    There that should get rid of the white racists who flood this site like picnic ants.

    Do you pinheads have ANY idea of who most of the gay men who go to the West Village are?

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | May 19, 2013 9:05:44 AM


  10. The trolls and shills on this site are repulsive. They flood out of the woodwork when sh*t like this happens. ANY opportunity to extrapolate a story or incident to fit their political/ideological narrative. Shills trolling, then responding to their own trolls. Rinse, repeat.

    How many times does it have to be said, when you're out and about, especially if you've been drinking, BE CAREFUL. Try to AVOID fights and arguments if at all possible. DON'T respond to taunts from guy[s] who look genuinely sketchy. And that means VERBALLY, too. IF YOU CAN'T OR WON'T BE ABLE TO DEFEND YOURSELF FROM A PHYSICAL ASSAULT, DON'T TRASH TALK. Talking smack will almost always escalate a situation.

    Police can't be everywhere to help you. That's impossible. And there are crazy people, just plain bad people, of all 'races', ethnicities, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, genders, sexual orientations, ages, etc., etc., looking to go out and cause trouble.

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    @David Ehrenstein:

    How many of those 'white racist' are trolls on here? My estimation is roughly 95% of 'white racist' posts on TR are really 'progressive' trolls looking to stir the sh*t.

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 19, 2013 10:35:57 AM


  11. The trolls and shills on this site are repulsive. They flood out of the woodwork when sh*t like this happens. ANY opportunity to extrapolate a story or incident to fit their political/ideological narrative. Shills trolling, then responding to their own trolls. Rinse, repeat.

    How many times does it have to be said, when you're out and about, especially if you've been drinking, BE CAREFUL. Try to AVOID fights and arguments if at all possible. DON'T respond to taunts from guy[s] who look genuinely sketchy. And that means VERBALLY, too. IF YOU CAN'T OR WON'T BE ABLE TO DEFEND YOURSELF FROM A PHYSICAL ASSAULT, DON'T TRASH TALK. Talking smack will almost always escalate a situation.

    Police can't be everywhere to help you. That's impossible. And there are crazy people, just plain bad people, of all 'races', ethnicities, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, genders, sexual orientations, ages, etc., etc., looking to go out and cause trouble.

    ==================

    @David Ehrenstein:

    How many of those 'white racist' are trolls on here? My estimation is roughly 95% of 'white racist' posts on TR are really 'progressive' trolls looking to stir the sh*t.

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 19, 2013 10:35:58 AM


  12. to all the militant pacifists here: don't you dare blame the victim. the NYPD says the victims did no "trash talking".

    to all the anti-gun/anti-self-defense people here: people of color and other disempowered and disenfranchised people deserve the choice of realistic weaponry to defend themselves.

    someday soon in NYC that will and must include concealed-carry.

    Posted by: Jeton Ademaj | May 19, 2013 11:10:04 AM


  13. There's a picture of the alleged perp being taken in by cops on the Daily News. He looks like a white Hispanic guy. From his actions and things he said, he also appears to be batsh*t crazy. Drugs? Psychiatric issues? When as a society and country are we going to get serious regarding the p*ss poor state of our mental health infrastructure? Laws, facilities, and access are all in dire need of major change. Many of the so-called reforms of the 60s, 70s, and 80s that we still operate under have failed. The only people happy with the current situation are the big pharmaceutical companies, their sales reps, stock holders, and a few others who get some sort of political and/or financial gain from the status quo. SO MANY violence incidents could have been and could be nipped in the bud if the mental health of the perps were taken more seriously and dealt with, for both their sake and societies, in a more efficient and comprehensive manner.

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 19, 2013 11:11:07 AM


  14. @Jeton Ademaj,

    Correction. The poor man killed, Mr. Carson, and his friend, did verbally respond to the crazy guy. I'm not saying they trash talked, but a verbal exchange did occur.

    And I'm no pacifist, not by any stretch. I believe all law abiding people in the U.S., no matter where they live, should have the right to legally own a firearm[s] for whatever reason, to protect themselves, target practice, hunting, collecting, whatever. And I believe gay/bi men, lesbians need to learn if they don't already know to adequately defend themselves if at all possible, and to be pro-active in regards to their safety. This is true of ALL people, regardless of their 'race', ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation. As far as race is concerned, in an urban area, Jeton Ademaj, a person is MORE likely to be jumped and assaulted for being white than for being black. This is a far more common type of 'hate' crime. For some reason 'progressives' really hate talking or acknowledging this.

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 19, 2013 11:19:19 AM


  15. to ratbastard: your "correction" is no such thing. by your own admission there's no hint the victim or his friend "trashtalked"...and the murderer who killed him could just as easily have been "offended" by the victim choosing not to respond at all.

    your call for personal vigilance is laudable, your attempt to construct that call in a manner which blames the victim is clumsy and detestable...but the truth is that we dont always have a choice to avoid violence when it finds us. better to be armed and alive than PC and dead.

    here i referred to "people of color" because clearly some anti-gun types here want to equate weapons ownership with white power or right wing thinking...

    ...but when i handed out 1000 Pink Pistols gay shooting group flyers at the 2003 Pride fest (the area at the end of the parade), the smaller, darker-skinned, more working class and more femme the persons i approached, the more they were interested. this refutes the "white privilege" theory of gun rights advocacy fully.

    incidentally, i happen to be white and have been the victim of racial violence several times in my life. i need no lessons on the dangers i face.

    Posted by: Jeton Ademaj | May 19, 2013 12:05:01 PM


  16. What part of the former Confederacy is Greenwich Village in?

    Posted by: David Hearne | May 19, 2013 5:18:36 PM


  17. Daya - What kind of stupid hole are you? The people attacking gay people in New York are not NRA card holders. They are usually common street .......

    Posted by: David Hearne | May 19, 2013 5:22:13 PM


  18. Carrying pepper spray is just as illegal as carrying a gun in some places. Even in some enlightened states where you must be issued a carry permit, that permit only entitles you to carry a gun, not a baton, a knife, or chemical weapon.

    Posted by: David Hearne | May 19, 2013 5:30:56 PM


  19. Why is this cold blooded butcher charged with second degree rather then first degree murder? Seems like there was ample premeditation in this ghastly killing where a man was shot in the face for ONLY being gay. Also in the eyes of police and absolutely everyone else it was most definitely a HATE crime! According to the New York Times account Mark Carson was "STALKED" by the gunman after yelling antigay slurs at him. The thoughtful act of stalking the victim alone seems much more then enough evidence of premeditation. True as gays we ESPECIALLY feel the sting. However, as human beings and as part of society in general we can never afford to be ethically complacent! Regrettably nothing can bring tihis man back to life, so as the death penalty is seldom used we are now only talking about how long we can keep his murderer off the streets and what type of signal this sends to other hateful bigots who would take the law into their own hands . . .


    Posted by: Mike | May 19, 2013 5:53:26 PM


  20. I am a lifelong liberal democrat and Navy Vet. I live in a big city. When I go out at night to visit friends or go to clubs, I carry either pepper spray or my little 25 caliber Beretta. Never had to use either yet, but if someone is going to fu@k with me they won't get away unharmed.

    Posted by: andrew | May 20, 2013 12:26:19 AM


  21. One thing not reported is the gunman's blood alcohol/drug level. It's rare to be able to catch people as quickly as in this case,so it would have been useful information to get. Is it homophobia alone or is it homophobia fueling the behavior of a nasty, violent drunk? The New York Post article stated that the gunman appeared "crazed" but did not give any further details.

    Posted by: Bill | May 20, 2013 9:53:53 PM


  22. The solution is indeed for us to carry guns. These crimes are committed against the gay community, often with impunity, because we have a reputation for being unarmed and incapable of defending ourselves.

    For whatever reason we might find ourselves less experienced in street fighting and hand to hand combat, we have no excuse to be unarmed and defenseless. That's what guns are for.

    Guns are for law abiding people to defend themselves against people who are bigger, stronger, more numerous, or crazy.

    People who oppose decent people carrying weapons are in essence advocating for the law of the jungle. The Progressives support this because it their hearts they believe that successful people deserve to be robbed by criminals.

    Posted by: David Hearne | May 20, 2013 11:35:46 PM


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