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Evan Wolfson And Andrew Sullivan Talk To Anderson Cooper About The End Of DOMA: VIDEO

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Last night, Freedom to Marry's Evan Wolfson and gay blogger Andrew Sullivan sat down with Anderson Cooper to discuss the end of DOMA and what this decision will mean for gay couples, immigration, and the federal government's 'gay exception.' 

Said Wolfson:

"Today the Court said that the federal government has to go now from being the number one discriminator against gay couples to putting its moral and legal weight on the side of families, on the side of fairness, and on the side of the freedom to marry. We haven't won all the states yet. We haven't finished the job. But but the momentum this adds will continue to bring us forward and our country closer [to full marriage equality]"

He goes on to talk about the realities of legally married gay couples who reside in states that don't recognize same-sex marriages and the work that is still needed to bring full marriage equality to the remaining 37 states.

"Couples should not see there marriages sputter in and out like cell phone service depending on what state they're in," he said

Andrew Sullivan also chimed in on what the DOMA decision will means for binational gay couples who will no longer be saddled with the constant worry of deportation. 

"The whole nightmare is over. They [binational gay couples] can apply for a spousal green card just like a regular human being...if you love someone and want to spend your life with them, the government has no right getting in the way."

Check out the great segment, AFTER THE JUMP...


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  1. ambitious goal..? .....isn't America supposed to be about Equality? This country pisses me off --- meanwhile our neighbors to the north have had REAL Equality for over a decade.

    Posted by: disgusted American | Jun 27, 2013 8:37:48 PM

  2. I find it interesting that no one, but NO ONE, has commented on the fact that the three supposedly progressive Jewish justices (Ginsberg, Breyer, and Kagan) ALL voted together as a bloc for the barest minimum advance possible. If we are going to hold African-American voters responsible for voting disproportionately in favor of Proposition 8 in California leading to its original passage, then it is at least fair to ask why three Jewish Supreme Court Justices ALL voted in lockstep to deny great national recognition of marriage equality.

    And don't even start me on why Jews make up one full third (33%) of the Supreme Court justices when they make up only 2% of the U.S. population.

    Posted by: Derrick in Philly | Jun 27, 2013 8:52:43 PM

  3. I'm guessing what Wolfson actually said was, "Couples should not see THEIR marriages sputter in and out like cell phone service...." ;-)

    Posted by: Editrix | Jun 27, 2013 9:00:19 PM

  4. Derrick - ask the same about every walk of American life: banking, big studio films, business, science, medicine, law, literature, the list goes on. Jews are by far the most distinguished and enlightened people in America; the most well-educated, intellectually keen, ambitious, progressive, liberal and politically active of all of us. This is not a complaint, though there is a sense of caution in it.

    Posted by: UFFDA | Jun 27, 2013 9:19:51 PM

  5. @Derrick - There's no Jewish bias - all 3 joined Sotomayor and Kennedy in voting DOMA unconstitutional. Their vote on Prop 8 had to do with the thorny problem of standing, of which there was a difference of opinion on precedent. Congrats to Wolfson and Sullivan on their prescience. They're truly worthy spokesmen and advocates of the best sort: putting the advancement of LGBTs ahead of personal gain.

    Posted by: Jerry | Jun 27, 2013 9:32:22 PM

  6. As a masculine, highly educated gay atheist, I do not identify one whit with Andrew Sullivan.

    He is such an over-emotional, melodramatic Jesus queen, that I can barely stomaching listening to him.

    @UFFDA: As to Derrick's point, I hardly see anything progressive at all about the Hollingsworth v. Perry decision, and I too wonder what they could have been thinking. It feels like they left a huge opportunity for advancement on the table. I believe it is a very dangerous gamble to wait for opportunity to come by again.

    As to your second 'point', all of the positive attributes that you mention about Jews stem from their being disproportionately powerful, NOT inherently superior. You really should avoid playing into stereotypes, because stereotypes cut both ways.

    Posted by: Rick | Jun 27, 2013 9:32:54 PM

  7. Just outrageous Derrick. Check your history from Julius Rosenthal to Michael Schwerner.

    Posted by: melvin | Jun 27, 2013 9:33:52 PM







  10. @Jerry: "Their vote on Prop 8 had to do with the thorny problem of standing..."

    Standing, schmanding. Listen I don't know much about politics, and I know nothing at all about law. (I'm a Saggitarius rising. Sue me!) But I think it's obvious to everyone that in Hollingsworth the majority made a very calculated and POLITICAL decision not to make a more expansive ruling. It had little to nothing to do with the law, and EVERYTHING to do with politics.

    Posted by: MateoM | Jun 27, 2013 9:42:13 PM

  11. like him or not, there's no denying andrew has been a powerful voice on marriage equality for DECADES, folks. is he perfect? of course not. but his arguments for equality have not changed - rather, the world around him has. so give the man some credit. it's deserved.

    Posted by: matt | Jun 27, 2013 9:59:00 PM

  12. Sullivan commenting on the problems facing gay binational couples? He already had a green card before he married Aaron.

    Posted by: Jerry | Jun 27, 2013 10:04:12 PM

  13. @ jerry - no, he didn't have a green card before he married aaron. he received his first green card after the ban on HIV on travel and immigration was lifted in january of 2010. until then, he had a work visa that was about to soon expire.

    Posted by: matt | Jun 27, 2013 10:08:06 PM

  14. Derrick
    Please stop your tirade against KGB and think. They voted down DOMA. They voted en bloc against gutting the VRA.
    With Prop 8 they chose standing over merit as a defense against any future activist/group/PAC being able to bring lawsuits all the way to SCOTUS for any law they disagreed with.
    Standing has to matter in a civil rights case because those with standing are elected officials that represent their constituents. Not just a moneyed activist or group with an agenda which is what the defendents in Prop 8 were.
    If they allowed it here it could be used in future cases.
    PLUS. They knew that rejecting Prop 8 on standing was a guaranteed win for marriage equality in California.
    I'm actually shocked at your anti-semitism in this post. Vindictiveness against Jewsish SC Justices is not the answer to racism from Towleroad trolls..

    Posted by: JONES | Jun 27, 2013 11:39:05 PM

  15. Mateo...i think you might want to look into the intentions a little more for the prop 8 case, they knew what they were saying under the law, everyone knew that they didn't have standing, the state said they didn't, the justices dealt with it in the most succinct way possible, the ones who dissented did so as a nod to their true feelings but they knew it was the right decision ...they just had to register their nod to everyone they knew what was right

    Posted by: epic | Jun 28, 2013 12:10:24 AM

  16. Rick is so *masculine* I get a hard-on every time I see his name here.

    Posted by: DannyEastVillage | Jun 28, 2013 6:56:12 AM

  17. Derrick, you need to stow that crap where it belongs--down the toilet. Everyone knows about the historically poor relationship between urban Jews and Black people - but that is NOT part of this equation, and you need to leave it behind.

    Posted by: DannyEastVillage | Jun 28, 2013 6:57:52 AM

  18. @Derrick: Thinking that Jews all think one same way about anything, or assuming that "the Jews" are all working together do do *anything* is as ignorant as any of the most racist, bigoted, nasty assumptions that idiots make about Black people. Jews don't have one, monolithic opinion or agenda any more than Black people do, and you should be ashamed of yourself for spouting this tired, ancient antisemitic nonsense.

    Posted by: Thomasina | Jun 28, 2013 10:22:37 AM

  19. Derrick, I find it interesting that even this good news can bring out Anti-Jewish bigotry on the internet.

    Posted by: db | Jun 28, 2013 11:51:18 AM

  20. While announcing that gay marriage is a national right WAS one of the possible outcomes, it was unlikely. Further, much as I hate to admit it, it could have caused a backlash that could have harmed our cause far more than it would have helped it.

    Though polls show there is now a majority in favor of same-sex marriage I believe much of that support is "soft," that a sizable percentage of those people aren't really passionate about the issue and that could have left us vulnerable to losses if the bolder decision had been made. Right now the complaining against the decision just looks like sour grapes, but if this had been a sweeping national decision the outrage would have been far worse.

    Disappointing though it may be, this incremental advance was probably wiser AND it sets the stage for us eventually attaining what we want. The inevitable lawsuits that will result from married couples moving from places where they are recognized to others where they aren't will take us there, I believe.

    Whatever the case, assuming that comment was for real, blaming the Jewish justices for "keeping us down" rather than lauding them for advancing our rights is WAY out of line. If you really want to bring religion into this, let's discuss how the Catholic faith of the conservative justices affected their opinions.

    Posted by: Caliban | Jun 28, 2013 12:16:12 PM

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