1. disgusted American says

    ambitious goal..? …..isn’t America supposed to be about Equality? This country pisses me off — meanwhile our neighbors to the north have had REAL Equality for over a decade.

  2. Derrick in Philly says

    I find it interesting that no one, but NO ONE, has commented on the fact that the three supposedly progressive Jewish justices (Ginsberg, Breyer, and Kagan) ALL voted together as a bloc for the barest minimum advance possible. If we are going to hold African-American voters responsible for voting disproportionately in favor of Proposition 8 in California leading to its original passage, then it is at least fair to ask why three Jewish Supreme Court Justices ALL voted in lockstep to deny great national recognition of marriage equality.

    And don’t even start me on why Jews make up one full third (33%) of the Supreme Court justices when they make up only 2% of the U.S. population.

  3. Editrix says

    I’m guessing what Wolfson actually said was, “Couples should not see THEIR marriages sputter in and out like cell phone service….” 😉

  4. UFFDA says

    Derrick – ask the same about every walk of American life: banking, big studio films, business, science, medicine, law, literature, the list goes on. Jews are by far the most distinguished and enlightened people in America; the most well-educated, intellectually keen, ambitious, progressive, liberal and politically active of all of us. This is not a complaint, though there is a sense of caution in it.

  5. Jerry says

    @Derrick – There’s no Jewish bias – all 3 joined Sotomayor and Kennedy in voting DOMA unconstitutional. Their vote on Prop 8 had to do with the thorny problem of standing, of which there was a difference of opinion on precedent. Congrats to Wolfson and Sullivan on their prescience. They’re truly worthy spokesmen and advocates of the best sort: putting the advancement of LGBTs ahead of personal gain.

  6. Rick says

    As a masculine, highly educated gay atheist, I do not identify one whit with Andrew Sullivan.

    He is such an over-emotional, melodramatic Jesus queen, that I can barely stomaching listening to him.

    @UFFDA: As to Derrick’s point, I hardly see anything progressive at all about the Hollingsworth v. Perry decision, and I too wonder what they could have been thinking. It feels like they left a huge opportunity for advancement on the table. I believe it is a very dangerous gamble to wait for opportunity to come by again.

    As to your second ‘point’, all of the positive attributes that you mention about Jews stem from their being disproportionately powerful, NOT inherently superior. You really should avoid playing into stereotypes, because stereotypes cut both ways.







  9. MateoM says

    @Jerry: “Their vote on Prop 8 had to do with the thorny problem of standing…”

    Standing, schmanding. Listen I don’t know much about politics, and I know nothing at all about law. (I’m a Saggitarius rising. Sue me!) But I think it’s obvious to everyone that in Hollingsworth the majority made a very calculated and POLITICAL decision not to make a more expansive ruling. It had little to nothing to do with the law, and EVERYTHING to do with politics.

  10. matt says

    like him or not, there’s no denying andrew has been a powerful voice on marriage equality for DECADES, folks. is he perfect? of course not. but his arguments for equality have not changed – rather, the world around him has. so give the man some credit. it’s deserved.

  11. matt says

    @ jerry – no, he didn’t have a green card before he married aaron. he received his first green card after the ban on HIV on travel and immigration was lifted in january of 2010. until then, he had a work visa that was about to soon expire.

  12. JONES says

    Please stop your tirade against KGB and think. They voted down DOMA. They voted en bloc against gutting the VRA.
    With Prop 8 they chose standing over merit as a defense against any future activist/group/PAC being able to bring lawsuits all the way to SCOTUS for any law they disagreed with.
    Standing has to matter in a civil rights case because those with standing are elected officials that represent their constituents. Not just a moneyed activist or group with an agenda which is what the defendents in Prop 8 were.
    If they allowed it here it could be used in future cases.
    PLUS. They knew that rejecting Prop 8 on standing was a guaranteed win for marriage equality in California.
    I’m actually shocked at your anti-semitism in this post. Vindictiveness against Jewsish SC Justices is not the answer to racism from Towleroad trolls..

  13. epic says

    Mateo…i think you might want to look into the intentions a little more for the prop 8 case, they knew what they were saying under the law, everyone knew that they didn’t have standing, the state said they didn’t, the justices dealt with it in the most succinct way possible, the ones who dissented did so as a nod to their true feelings but they knew it was the right decision …they just had to register their nod to everyone they knew what was right

  14. DannyEastVillage says

    Derrick, you need to stow that crap where it belongs–down the toilet. Everyone knows about the historically poor relationship between urban Jews and Black people – but that is NOT part of this equation, and you need to leave it behind.

  15. Thomasina says

    @Derrick: Thinking that Jews all think one same way about anything, or assuming that “the Jews” are all working together do do *anything* is as ignorant as any of the most racist, bigoted, nasty assumptions that idiots make about Black people. Jews don’t have one, monolithic opinion or agenda any more than Black people do, and you should be ashamed of yourself for spouting this tired, ancient antisemitic nonsense.

  16. Caliban says

    While announcing that gay marriage is a national right WAS one of the possible outcomes, it was unlikely. Further, much as I hate to admit it, it could have caused a backlash that could have harmed our cause far more than it would have helped it.

    Though polls show there is now a majority in favor of same-sex marriage I believe much of that support is “soft,” that a sizable percentage of those people aren’t really passionate about the issue and that could have left us vulnerable to losses if the bolder decision had been made. Right now the complaining against the decision just looks like sour grapes, but if this had been a sweeping national decision the outrage would have been far worse.

    Disappointing though it may be, this incremental advance was probably wiser AND it sets the stage for us eventually attaining what we want. The inevitable lawsuits that will result from married couples moving from places where they are recognized to others where they aren’t will take us there, I believe.

    Whatever the case, assuming that comment was for real, blaming the Jewish justices for “keeping us down” rather than lauding them for advancing our rights is WAY out of line. If you really want to bring religion into this, let’s discuss how the Catholic faith of the conservative justices affected their opinions.

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