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HRC President Chad Griffin and NOM's Brian Brown Debate The Future Of Gay Marriage: VIDEO

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HRC's Chad Griffin and NOM's Brian Brown faced off on This Week to debate the future of gay marriage in light of the recent Supreme Court decisions. 

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"We will fight this battle on all fronts. We'll fight it at the ballot box where there are opportunities. We'll fight it at the state legislature. And ultimately this will come back to our federal courts...I have all expectations that we will [win]. 30 percent of America, thanks to these decisions, now live in states with marriage equality. It's going to be very difficult to deny equal rights to those who live in other states when the next case ultimately reaches the court."

Brown, meanwhile, drew comparison between his move to rollback legal gay marriage wherever it exists and Abraham Lincoln's belief that we "can't have a country half slave and half free."

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  1. Why is nobody challenging why a scumbag grifter like Brian Brown is some kind of expert or credible voice on this?

    Posted by: Steve | Jun 30, 2013 8:03:16 PM

  2. And why isn't someone helping him out with those cold sores. Sheesh. Paging Valtrex!

    Posted by: ChrisQ | Jun 30, 2013 8:22:53 PM

  3. A missed opportunity for Chad Griffin.

    He should have agreed with Brian Brown's statement that "Ultimately, as Lincoln said, we can't have a country half slave and half free", and pointed out that the difference in their positions is that Brown and his ilk are working to make the country all-slave, while advocates of equality would like it to be all-free.

    Posted by: Vint | Jun 30, 2013 8:25:22 PM

  4. Brown certainly has all his buzzwords down pat, doesn't he? It's a shame they have no meaning.

    Posted by: Hunter | Jun 30, 2013 8:27:57 PM

  5. So what if "God Hates Fags"? They worship a false god. My God created everything, including gays. NOM and all the other haters like the Mormon Church are so wrong about their beliefs it is laughable. Newsflash to the bigots: You can hate gays yet still let them enjoy equality. It will not affect your lives in the least. Or do you just enjoy hating gays?

    Posted by: Gestly | Jun 30, 2013 8:52:44 PM

  6. @Vint... agree 100%... the Lincoln comment was just too obvious... maybe Griffin thought it was just too ridiculous not to be some kind of setup... it's unbelievable to me that anybody gives these bigots airtime to spew their nonsense... would they give the KKK airtime to say why whites are so superior to minorities? In my view, this is the exact same thing...

    Posted by: Gerry | Jun 30, 2013 10:05:20 PM

  7. I wonder if BB even believes half of the lies that spew from his face hole.

    Posted by: jexer | Jun 30, 2013 10:30:47 PM

  8. His path to victory is to avoid more defeats in states like Illinois. Hardly a winning strategy.

    Posted by: simon | Jun 30, 2013 10:42:44 PM

  9. Brian Brown could not answer the question of who would be harmed by marriage equality. He said the voters who voted for Prop 8 are harmed. But they are not. That is why they had no standing in their appeal.

    Posted by: john patrick | Jun 30, 2013 11:35:44 PM

  10. freedom moves forward, once slavery started to end it was hardly unlikely going to be reversed and reinstated, it would have eventually ended one way or another. Same thing with marriage equality freedom moves forward and it is very if not totally unlikely that it will be removed but in fact will spread.

    As for those who oppose it consider this, it's like a wave. Resist, and you'll be knocked over. Dive into it, and you'll swim out the other side. So you better start diving!!!

    Posted by: lukefromcanada | Jul 1, 2013 12:17:16 AM

  11. Shouldn't the Respect for Marriage Act be renamed the Respect All Marriages Act? Catchier acronym, and harmonises nicely with the language already used by the Right.

    Posted by: Down Their Throats | Jul 1, 2013 12:21:52 AM

  12. You "can't have a country half slave and half free"- so Brian Brown would resolve that by enslaving everyone???

    Extending freedom to others does not restrict your own.

    Setting others free does not enslave you.

    Posted by: blacktee | Jul 1, 2013 12:44:06 AM

  13. Well, some of us know what will happen with gay marriages, but don't tell him that.

    Posted by: Boredom | Jul 1, 2013 1:09:54 AM

  14. Someone needs to get a nice hunky homosexual to lap dance Britney's "I'm a Slave 4 U" for Brian Brown. I'm sure it'd put him in a better mood.

    Posted by: Darrell | Jul 1, 2013 3:01:04 AM

  15. Section 2 of DOMA should also have been struck down.

    Brown 's entire argument is based on what he calls
    "one truth".....M
    But the origins of that one truth he bases on religion, and like all so called one truths he ignores the fact that the society around that one truth has changed.....just as it did with slavery and anti black discrimination.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Jul 1, 2013 3:06:47 AM

  16. I hate when they say that this ignores the millions of Californians who voted for Prop 8. They make it sound like no one voted on the other side. Millions voted against Prop 8, too. And, if the vote was held today, Prop. 8 would lose by a mile. Then, what would they say?

    Look, they know that the age demographics are going to make this issue irrelevant in 10 years or so. In 20 years, people will look bad at Scalia, et. al. and wonder, "What were they thinking?"

    Posted by: gr8guya | Jul 1, 2013 3:15:20 AM

  17. Not sure why Brian Brown would make the "half slave, half free" reference. Completely out of context except that NOM and its allies (all those evangie-fundie-teaparty types) are now saying pushing really, really hard that there is a liberal push to isolate christians, make them second-class citizens and deprive them of their civil rights to be able to freely promote their LGBTQ bigotry without retribution and without consequences of any kind. It's an old but still potent rightist approach to all political/social/cultural issues that fail to go their way--present themselves as the aggrieved party and claim that THEIR civil rights are being trampled upon when gays and lesbians are given their civil rights.

    It's a bogus argument but one that seems to still carry weight among that despicable crowd of Republican reprobates.

    Posted by: jamal49 | Jul 1, 2013 8:04:01 AM

  18. It's really kind of bizarre for Brian Brown to use a slavery analogy, especially if he's implying that anti-gay religious people have somehow been "enslaved" by legalization of gay marriage. Slaves are people whose rights have been taken away by others and, except for the most brainwashed (I originally mistyped "Brianwashed," which has a certain truth to it) by Religious Right Chicken Littles like himself, most people are going to associate gays with the underdogs, slaves, in that tortured analogy.

    If a gay spokesperson referred to gays as "slaves" I'd see that as an offensive rhetorical overreach, a MAJOR bit of drama queen hyperbole. For Brian Brown to even *hint* at a similarity between Christians in the US and slaves is far worse. Awww, the poor dears. Maybe if they organize and pray there will someday be a Christian President. Oh, wait. EVERY President has been at least nominally Christian and they really just need to shut the fvck up about what victims THEY are!

    Chad Griffin should have jumped on that but I don't really blame him for being taken aback and not catching it in time. Next time, and there probably will be a next time because "we're the REAL victims here!" is a major theme of theirs, I hope he or others will land on it with both feet and ridicule the offensive idea that accepting the rights of others is even remotely akin to the plight of slaves.

    On a purely aesthetic note, Brian Brown looks like a fat-headed bully straight out of central casting and every word out of his mouth just reinforces that. His is the right face to represent NOM's hateful, regressive message.

    Posted by: Caliban | Jul 1, 2013 8:38:17 AM

  19. Wow... the overwhelming irony of BB's words.

    Even when that dumbass quotes Lincoln, he still can't figure out how it's actually helping the gay cause.

    Posted by: johnny | Jul 1, 2013 8:43:43 AM

  20. Brian Brown's voice is trembling.

    A clear sign of a liar and that's why his reasoning is so twisted.

    Posted by: AllBeefPatty | Jul 1, 2013 9:11:29 AM

  21. If anyone is a slave it is those who are slaves to a 2000 year old myth. Sorry Brian Brownshirt, your baseless, unscientific, illogical, irrational arguements hold no legal basis for denying equality.

    Posted by: Michael Barber | Jul 1, 2013 9:37:49 AM

  22. There was a surreal moment late in the morning of the ruling I saw by the press booths at the Court where Brian Brown was literally back-to-back with Barney Frank as they were doing separate interviews.

    Brian looked flustered and frustrated and Barney looked calm and collected. Not just bias talking here. It was amazing.

    Posted by: Leo | Jul 1, 2013 11:41:40 AM

  23. Yes, let's watch two losers debate. What fun. HRC has had no impact on marriage equality, yet here they are trying to claim credit.

    Posted by: anon | Jul 1, 2013 11:45:46 AM

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