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Shock PPP Poll: HS Students Should Get to Wear Confederate Flag to School But Not Gay Pride Flag

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In a recent PPP poll, a majority of those surveyed support allowing high school students to wear the confederate flag to school, while a larger majority oppose allowing students to wear gay pride flags to school.

Writes Jonathan Capehart: Confederate

Folks, the Confederate flag is no better than a Swastika. It is a symbol of white supremacy, hate and oppression that has no place in American political discourse. That Kanye West wants to co-opt the rebel banner is as noble as it is futile. Meanwhile, the rainbow that is the gay pride flag symbolizes inclusion and acceptance. Oftentimes, usually in other countries, the words “pace” or “peace” can be found emblazoned on it. The rainbow flag is the very antithesis of the Confederate flag. That the latter is deemed more acceptable than the former is deplorable.

PPP surveyed 649 American voters, including an oversample of 400 usual Democratic primary voters and 629 Republican primary voters, from October 29th to 31st, 2013. The margin of error for the overall survey is +/- 3.8%, +/-4.9% for the Democratic portion, and +/-3.9% for the GOP portion. PPP’s surveys are conducted through automated telephone interviews.

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  1. Looks like they only asked Republican primary voters.

    Posted by: fodolodo | Nov 13, 2013 2:37:13 PM


  2. You have to remember that most of these people are southern baptists. Good Christians.

    Posted by: Larry | Nov 13, 2013 2:39:39 PM


  3. you're only "shocked" if you live in a bubble where you think everyone should think like you. just because Empire Agenda is influential in Chelsea doesn't mean it is good at convincing or influencing those not predisposed to think like you. just sayin'

    Posted by: Jason | Nov 13, 2013 2:41:22 PM


  4. I'm not sure I understand the validity of a survey not completed by an uneven number of political party representatives. It seems a certain over-represented party might take advantage of that situation to push an agenda.

    Posted by: Hey Darlin' | Nov 13, 2013 2:43:49 PM


  5. "completed by" I mean (this has my brain scrambled at this point)

    Posted by: Hey Darlin' | Nov 13, 2013 2:44:56 PM


  6. The summary of the survey methodology seems odd. It says they surveyed 649 voters, including an oversample of 400 democrats plus 629 Republicans. First, it would seem that 400 democrats plus 629 republicans is more than 649 total people polled. Second not sure what they mean by oversample of democrats. Since democrats greatly outnumber republicans, I don't see how 400 democrats vs 629 republicans makes for an oversample.

    Posted by: brian1 | Nov 13, 2013 2:46:07 PM


  7. Hijack! If you hate these terrible comments that undermine all efforts on this site, it's time to complain to Andy directly! If you want to help FIX THIS, please email/tweet/FB Andy and ask him to upgrade these comments. At the very least lets get a post that starts a discussion on it!

    Posted by: Fenrox | Nov 13, 2013 2:50:20 PM


  8. As Fodolodo mentioned, this was a question asked exclusively to Republican Primary Voters, the questions separated after they chose a political party. Those were the same ones who overwhelming thought that President Obama is a Muslim and was born in Kenya.

    Posted by: Tophier Verdugo | Nov 13, 2013 2:51:34 PM


  9. Here is the other failure -- this was a phone survey, and a long one at that. Young people don't do these kind of surveys. Even their results show that -- 66% of respondents were 46 years or older. 22% were over 65! Meanwhile, only 9% were under 30.

    SURPRISE, poll-takers: That is a not even the beginning of a representative sample. What we're seeing here is older respondents are unsurprisingly conservative, even those that identify as democrats.

    Posted by: Mike8787 | Nov 13, 2013 2:53:48 PM


  10. Flags mean different things to different people. I generally can't stand flag wavers, regardless of the flag.

    To some gay men, the rainbow flag means acceptance and inclusion. And parades and glitter!

    To many gay men and most of the non-gay population, it represents an embarrassing prissy subculture.

    To most who understand history, the confederate flag represents the thirteen original colonies that founded this country.

    That the confederate flag is, today, owned by hillbillies and racists really sucks. Because it's a nice looking flag with a significant history... whether we agree with that history or not.

    Posted by: heresyourchange | Nov 13, 2013 2:57:55 PM


  11. I wager that if this sample was given a wider choice, say the Swastika, no doubt they would vote for that.

    Stupidity and bigotry are to be confined, not given the oxygen of hate. These voters just indulge their ill educated prejudices without reason or any knowledge of history or of social change.
    Or else they are just going "by their gut" to use that abominable American phrase.
    Either way their display of mediaeval coarseness is sickening.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Nov 13, 2013 3:00:32 PM


  12. This is such BS. The only mean symbols have is the meaning YOU GIVE IT.

    Posted by: Ted | Nov 13, 2013 3:08:45 PM


  13. Andy, you need to read the poll you've cited to. Those numbers refer to the Republican primary voters, not the general population.

    Posted by: jeff | Nov 13, 2013 3:15:48 PM


  14. @ HERESYOURCHANGE; "To some gay men, the rainbow flag means... To many gay men and most of the non-gay population..."
    - Speak for yourself and no one else, you odious troll. You don't know what you're talking about. You broadcast assertions from a vacuum, without support. The burden of proof would be on you to justify all that you said, but of course you can't, because you're just an anti-gay, heterosexual, comfy comfy coward.

    Posted by: DroppingHints | Nov 13, 2013 3:16:14 PM


  15. Yes, those are the numbers for the Republican Primary voters, not surprisingly.

    And I grew up in the South. We certainly never considered that flag "epresents the thirteen original colonies that founded this country." It represents the South, specifically in its opposition to the North over a) slavery and then b) integration.

    It's actually used around the world as a symbol of racism. It's plastered on walls here in Croatia, because the football fan clubs (Torcida at least) are proud of their racism.

    Posted by: KevinVT | Nov 13, 2013 3:25:12 PM


  16. May I suggest the Battle Flag get re-done in rainbow? (Side note: Interesting that the only flag anyone remembers right off on either side is the Battle Flag. I'm including myself in that "anyone".)

    Posted by: olympiasepiriot | Nov 13, 2013 3:26:05 PM


  17. Easier to hate than to love. For some, anyway.

    Posted by: Jack M | Nov 13, 2013 3:26:18 PM


  18. Second what Jeff said, Andy. You're reading the poll results wrong. Ask this question to a representative sample (by age, political party, income, etc.) and I doubt you'd have anywhere close to these numbers.

    Reading comprehension fail on the internet, once again.

    Posted by: Daniel | Nov 13, 2013 3:26:24 PM


  19. Mike put it well. At the end of the day, whether Republican or Democrat, people 40+ tend to be more conservative regarding their views on this issue. With that being said, most of the people in the 18-45 brackets also believe that a confederate flag is more acceptable. Really, this is also representative of a society that sees the pride flag as "flaunting of sexuality" and I think ultimately a lot of people are OK with our community to a point. Conditional acceptance.

    Posted by: Francis #1 | Nov 13, 2013 3:29:08 PM


  20. The only confederate flag that matters is the white one the treasonous losers carried with them to Appomattox in April 1865 when they surrendered.

    Posted by: Dearcomrade | Nov 13, 2013 3:34:41 PM


  21. How many of those polled would rather watch an "action" movie where hundreds are killed by gunfire from the "hero", over a movie where two men have a romantic kiss. Our culture thrives on the subjegation of love to hatred and violence. No surprise that symbols of political and racial hatred (and the symbol of a still simmering racially-based hatred from a war lost almost 150 years ago) is more acceptable to be displayed on a teenager's tshirt than a symbol of diversity, acceptance and peace.

    Posted by: Mike | Nov 13, 2013 3:39:56 PM


  22. They were all old.

    Posted by: Poe | Nov 13, 2013 3:45:27 PM


  23. You need to read Johnathan Capehart's retraction when he realized the question was only posed to Republicans. This is not news.

    Posted by: Gary | Nov 13, 2013 3:48:07 PM


  24. oversampled repubs 629 to only 400 dems

    that tells you all you need to know right there

    Posted by: Moz's | Nov 13, 2013 3:56:27 PM


  25. Had the Confederacy won the Civil War & become an independent nation, my guess is that the North American continent would have lapsed into a constant state of war.

    Disputes about the western territories & other issues would mean our history would mimic the Europeans in centuries of non-stop hostilities toward each other. It's reasonable to speculate that the CSA would ally itself with the Nazis in WWII due to the similar philosophies they held.

    The irony is that Southerners like to think of themselves as super patriotic Americans, yet their flag is the symbol of hatred toward everything the United States idealizes.

    Posted by: JonnyNYNY2FLFL | Nov 13, 2013 3:56:47 PM


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