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Five Religious Faiths File 42-Page Brief Supporting Gay Marriage Bans in Utah and Oklahoma

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, National Association of Evangelicals, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention and Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod filed a 42-page amicus brief to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday arguing in support of Bans on gay marriage in Oklahoma and Utah.

LdsThe filers argued that they aren't against same-sex couples:

"Our faith communities bear no ill will toward same-sex couples, but rather have marriage-affirming religious beliefs that merge with both practical experience and sociological fact to convince us that retaining the husband-wife marriage definition is essential," the brief explains.

The AP adds:

The coalition struck back at the notion that opposing gay marriage makes one anti-gay, irrational or bigoted.

"The accusation is false and offensive," it says. "It is intended to suppress rational dialogue and democratic conversation, to win by insult and intimidation rather than by reason, experience, and fact."

...Shannon Minter, legal director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said Monday that religions will always be free to choose which marriages they perform.

But in a statement, Minter added that "the state cannot exclude any group of people from a fundamental right based on religious views held by some. Our society is strengthened when the law both supports all families and protects the freedoms of conscience and belief."

Download the full brief here (PDF).

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  1. "Reason and fact"? From religion? Hahahahahahahaha

    Posted by: Steve | Feb 11, 2014 10:23:16 AM

  2. Opposing gay marriage does make you anti-gay, irrational and/or bigoted.

    Posted by: elwoodl | Feb 11, 2014 10:25:48 AM

  3. Good for you ELWOODL. I was just going to say that, but you got there first.

    Posted by: Joel | Feb 11, 2014 10:31:58 AM

  4. Typical religious double-speak: if you ARE against "civil" marriage equality for same-sex couples, you ARE against same-sex couples. Yes, it DOES make you anti-gay, irrational and bigoted. It DOES make you false and offensive. You should stand in front of a mirror and have a nice, long look at your homophobic selves and ask: WWJD? I'll bet you come up with the wrong answer every single time.

    Posted by: HadenoughBS | Feb 11, 2014 10:36:23 AM

  5. For the 48,000th time, marriage equality does not end male/female marriage. It only expands the definition of the legal arrangement to include all couples. Every state, country and jurisdiction with marriage equality continues to allow men to marry women, and it does not appear that any fewer such couples are getting married in those locations. Every activist for marriage equality supports man/woman marriage.

    Posted by: CPT_Doom | Feb 11, 2014 10:39:07 AM

  6. From page 4 of the amicus brief:
    "Our support for the established meaning of marriage arises from an affirmative vision “of the family, as consisting in and springing from the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony,” Murphy v. Ramsey, 114 U.S. 15, 44 (1885), and not from animosity toward anyone."

    When will someone point out that civil (state-recognized) marriage is NOT "holy matrimony"? They are different concepts. One is civil, one is religious. If your religion deems 1-man-1-woman marriage to be the only kind recognized WITHIN your religion, then fine -- teach your children your religion. But this country allows other religious views and practices which may differ from yours. So STFU !!

    Posted by: rroberts | Feb 11, 2014 10:39:24 AM

  7. "No ill will," huh?

    As it happens, I don't think all religious leaders are moronic c#nts.

    There. Now we're both liers.

    Posted by: FFS | Feb 11, 2014 10:41:55 AM

  8. "Our faith communities bear no ill will toward same-sex couples, but rather have marriage-affirming religious beliefs that merge with both practical experience and sociological fact to convince us that retaining the husband-wife marriage definition is essential,"

    It's unfortunate that the only public face of these religious communities is that of inequality. One designed to place a group of citizens in charge of the rights of another group of citizens, as the constitution forbids. It must also seem unfortunate that in order to maintain their separation of church and state which is to their benefit in multiple ways, they must also keep themselves out of state matters.

    Posted by: Hey Darlin' | Feb 11, 2014 10:43:34 AM

  9. To use your "community" in a group effort to remove another groups rights doesn't make you sound stronger it makes you sound worried about your own community strength.

    Posted by: Hey Darlin' | Feb 11, 2014 10:45:57 AM

  10. Your religion is not my government.

    Posted by: Raybob | Feb 11, 2014 10:49:50 AM

  11. "Our faith communities bear no ill will toward same-sex couples, but...."

    Well that says it all. To make a disclaimer like that shows they have no rational idea how their actions prevent us from inheritance rights, or hospitalization rights, pensions, protecting children, or over 1,000 other rights automatically given to opposite sex couples.
    Sounds like fabulous X-tian morals towards your fellow man.

    Posted by: Jere | Feb 11, 2014 10:52:23 AM

  12. ' win by insult and intimidation rather than by reason, experience, and fact.'

    Down to the last stages of resistance when you resort to throwing back the empty mortars of our arguments. Notice how shallow they sound coming from the very ones responsible for so much inhumanity. It would almost be laughable but for the all too real harm they've caused.

    I guess they'd also like the courts to ignore centuries of written and documented evidence where LGBT have been persecuted and demonized by these same groups?

    History evidences the dire extent of your oppressive & immoral stance against our very humanity.

    Posted by: SERIOUSLY | Feb 11, 2014 10:54:58 AM

  13. Let's be clear. Faith communities do bear ill will toward same-sex couples, do not espouse marriage-affirming religious beliefs (except when LGBT couples want to get married), and they have no practical experience or sociological fact that retaining ONLY the husband-wife definition is essential (and essential to what?). Our getting married has had absolutely no impact on the definition of marriage or the impact on heterosexual couples' marriages. . .I challenge a single religious institution to find a single example of a heterosexual couple harmed by my marriage here in California (that can be proven in a court of law).

    Posted by: Keith | Feb 11, 2014 10:57:44 AM

  14. Perfectly said, @Raybob. I'm so freaking tired of Religion as the only right anyone can have. That mind control by superstitious cults can tell me what's reality and what's not, is beyond stupidity and is, in itself, immoral due to it's hubris, immodesty, and arrogance.

    Posted by: woodroad34 | Feb 11, 2014 11:01:22 AM

  15. " that retaining the husband-wife marriage definition is essential," the brief explains." Sorry, but the Regnerus Study is not fact and is bad rationale like religion. I do believe it is now time to get one's (i.e., Religion's) facts straight, pardon the ironic pun.

    Posted by: woodroad34 | Feb 11, 2014 11:08:51 AM

  16. "We're not anti-gay bigots! We simply believe that non-heterosexuals do not deserve the same rights as normal people because they are damned to burn in Hell for ever and ever for the entertainment of us in Heaven."

    Posted by: Gregory In Seattle | Feb 11, 2014 11:10:02 AM

  17. Oh, so NOW they're interested in ration, reason, experience, and fact? Since when?

    Let's bring ration, reason, experience, and fact into the discussion about Joseph Smith and his known history of grifting before he invented his tax-exempt cult.

    Posted by: Sean in Dallas | Feb 11, 2014 11:13:43 AM

  18. Marriage and the word Marriage DOES NOT BELONG TO RELIGION. And to the LDS Church, your religion was based on a skewed version of marriage called POLYGAMY. And why don't you practice it now? BECAUSE OF THE LAW. The government was going to kill all the Mormons. Let us not forget Missouri Executive Order 44 (Extermination Order) So don't try to sanction something that doesn't belong to you. NOW PICK UP YOUR FACE!

    Posted by: Steve LEE | Feb 11, 2014 11:14:30 AM

  19. I'm with @ELWOODL on this one!

    Posted by: Mike Ryan | Feb 11, 2014 11:17:11 AM

  20. It's not five religious faiths, but five denominations of one faith - Christianity. I know it's a small point, but it seems less overwhelming somehow - less monolithic - perhaps because it's a reminder that not every denomination shares their ill-will or twisted cunning. Their words are the same tired rhetoric trotted out again and again wherever people feel their privileged or special status might be threatened, and sometimes I find it so tiring, so bone-deep wearying that I want to give up. Not going to, though.

    Posted by: RH | Feb 11, 2014 11:29:59 AM

  21. I will never be interested in acceptance by some bunch of idiots who believe that there is this fat guy in Rome who is infallible when he sits in the right chair. If they are dumb enough to believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell them for cheap.

    Posted by: Joel | Feb 11, 2014 11:41:45 AM

  22. If only the church spent as much money and focus on having the government help the needy and the poor.....

    Posted by: Chrislam | Feb 11, 2014 11:45:04 AM

  23. This is funny. All these churches are against the Mormon Church. They constantly pay for people to be at the Mormon Church events to be outside and scream at them that they are not Christians, the Mormon Church is abomination and they try to make the Mormon Church's member to leave the church. Now they are all together on this petition??? They are all evil that's what they are.

    Posted by: Mary | Feb 11, 2014 11:51:21 AM

  24. this is good news. it provides one more piece of evidence in court that the ban really is driven by nothing more than religion-based animus.

    Posted by: jed | Feb 11, 2014 12:25:08 PM

  25. I'll stay out of your church, you stay out of my life.


    Posted by: johnny | Feb 11, 2014 12:28:31 PM

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