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  1. Qj201 says

    RuPaul gets a pass, I’m sorry. The word tranny is widely used among drag queens and trans people in the “nightlife” or club scene.

    It’s like the N word. Non-queer people may not use the word, and queer people really should only use it among themselves.

  2. MaryM says

    Why is this of any relevance to the LGB community.

    Time to drop the T.

    I support their struggle but their struggle is not our struggle and we need to separate from them.

  3. says

    QJ you are an idiot. Being queer doesn’t give you license to use any slur at those in the LGBT community. You only get to use the ones that apply to you. Gays can use f*g. Lesbians can use d*ke. Trans individuals can use Tr***y. Just being queer doesn’t give you full use of every queer slur.

  4. JWL says

    I agree with MARYM. The LGB has nothing to do with the T. The inclusion makes no sense to either group. The Trans community would be better served on their own and god knows they have nothing to do with our agenda.

  5. Joe in Ct says

    I too had no idea. I thought it was a term they embraced. Clearly, I’m living in a hole.

    And BTW, Jerry has put on a few years since I last saw a photo of him. (It’s been awhile.) I didn’t recognize him. Glad he has opted for plastic surgery.

  6. John says

    Get over it. RuPaul uses tranny and she-male. Tranny is not offensive, people are just looking for something to be offended by. As a gay man I am embarrassed by GLAAD and their PC police. People automatically assume all gays are prude and stuck up now. They’re ruining our community.

  7. Thedrdonna says

    RuPaul isn’t trans. He’s a gay man, and you’d think gay men would be more apt to recognize that “tradition” isn’t a good reason to continue to use certain language.

  8. Rob says

    “Even if he uses the correct word “transgender,” his show’s depiction of trans people as outrageous spectacles will remain problematic.”

    …said no one who has ever watched the Jerry Springer Show.

    EVERY SINGLE GUEST is an outrageous spectacle. That’s the point.

  9. says

    MaryM, Freak, JWL (aka Rick) – You’re a transphobic creep. But we already knew that. You had to use three usernames on one thread just to ensure your awful opinions were as visible as possible. You don’t hate LGBT people as much as you like to hear yourself talk, but it’s certainly close.

  10. Sharon says

    As a transwoman, I love Jerry Springer. It’s one of the few TV shows to show us as we really are. Is there a lot of craziness and dysfunction depicted? Absolutely, but that is very common in the trans community. The only thing they have shown that is unrealistic are the shows where transwomen fool male admirers or the audience. Although it is accurate that us transwomen wish we could deceive folks, believe me, 999 out of a 1000 cases, no one is going to be fooled.

  11. elwoodl says

    Why is it that not wanting Transgendered folks to hitch their wagon on the Gay and Lesbian cause considered “transphobic”?

    Transgendered people are born in the wrong body, regardless of sexual orientation. Some are gay. But most are straight males or females.

  12. Anthony says

    The other words listed are slurs, but I think banning ‘tranny’ is ridiculous. It’s an abbreviation for many long ass words (‘transsexual’, ‘transvestite’ or ‘transgendered’) and as the article points out the slander is in the usage. You can be respectful or disrespectful with “transgendered” depending on the context in which you use it The same goes for “tranny” or “homosexual” or “homo” or “gay”

  13. Sri says

    Agree with the commenters pointing out that LGBT was a mistake. Inherently dishonest and has provided zero benefit to LGBs. We now find ourselves hitched to hundreds of weird and unpopular faddish ideas about gender, none of which have anything to do with gay and lesbian civil rights. We need to be big boys and girls, admit that a mistake was made and retire LGBT.

  14. Thedrdonna says

    ElwoodL: Actually, surveys have shown that 2 in 3 trans folks are LGB.

    And, to the rest of you: gender nonconformity is a reality for a lot of LGB people. Femme guys, butch women, drag artists, etc. The fight to protect people based on how they present themselves to the world is one that spans the LGB and T communities. Advocating that trans folks go another way ignores that reality, and also ignores the history of the two communities, who have coexisted in the same spaces and the same circles for a long time.

  15. TheDrDonna says

    *Sigh* I guess it is Trans 101 time again. We do NOT like to be called trannies.

    The preferred term for those transitioning to female is “he-she”. “Shemale” and “lola” are acceptable alternatives.

    For those transitioning to male, the preferred term is “she-he”.

    If you are talking about both he-shes and she-hes, it is best to use “shims.” An increasingly popular alternative is “fivers” which refers to the continued placement of both he-shes and she-hes in the DSM-V.

    We expect LGBs, as trans allies, to follow the rules we set down regarding proper terminology. So please be careful to always use the terms set forth above.

  16. AJ says

    I actually agree with MaryM…
    I don’t think the transgender movement has anything to do with the gay rights movement. So, maybe it should be about time to drop the “T” from our name and just continue on as separate entities.
    Being transgendered is a medical problem; being LGB is not.

  17. Derrick from Philly says

    Thank you again, THEDRDONNA.

    I get the feeling that some of these anti-Transgender homosexuals have never been to a Gay Pride event or any Gay social venue…except maybe a sort of John Birch Society Gay club…with everybody wearing grey suits and bifocals.

  18. Thedrdonna says

    Obviously that second entry under my handle was by some troll who has run out of any actually persuasive arguments, and instead resort to sad mimicry. It’s more pathetic than anything, really.

    And thanks, Derrick. I’m constantly surprised by the commentary here, because it seems like a lot of the trolls here haven’t ever actually gone outside and been in the community. I certainly don’t see people like them at the pride events I go to.

  19. Mikey says

    Derrick, whether all the gays at a pride parade are wearing grey suits or whether they are all wearing body paint, the point is that they are all gay. Non-gay people are there as friends, allies or guests. The same should apply to transgenders. Transgenders are not inherently gay. They can have any sexual orientation. It makes as much sense to add a T to LGB as it does to add a letter for union members or chess players. There is no reason that they should be attached to the LGB community and given co-ownership of our movement.

  20. ScottCA says

    “Why is it that not wanting Transgendered folks to hitch their wagon on the Gay and Lesbian cause considered “transphobic”?”

    Well ELWOODL, what exactly is the “gay and lesbian” cause? To be able to live your life with dignity, respect and equal rights even though you don’t follow so-called societal norms? And that’s different from what trans people are fighting for in what way? (And I guess you are excluding the Bi community as well, since you talk about the G and L cause.) Sounds like a gay version of a GOP big tent.
    The trans community is not hitching their wagon my cause. Our cause is the same.

  21. ScottCA says

    “Non-gay people are there as friends, allies or guests.”

    I guess MIKEY also thinks the B should be tossed aside. I mean, do you really have anything in common with a Bi person? Perhaps we should separate the G and L too, while we’re at it.

  22. Thedrdonna says

    Mikey, we’ve been here from the start. You can’t “give” or “take” ownership of “your” community to trans people, because we’ve been one big community since before anyone reading this was born. We fought alongside each other in the past, and the people who advocate throwing trans folk under the bus now are doing so either out of selfish, “I’m getting mine so get your own” feelings, or obvious transphobia. If you don’t want to be in the same community as trans folks, feel free to leave.

  23. Rowan says

    LMAO @ JOMICUR

    I know! It’s like really GLAAD & Trans activists??!

    I really think they should use all this energy and money helping trans people who are getting murdered and bullied on the streets.

  24. Mikey says

    @ScottCA:

    What do I have in common with a bisexual? We both are attracted to our own sex. See? It really isn’t that complicated. L and G and B are all defined by their sexual orientation and all 3 are attracted to their own sex. There may be lots of other differences, but we have a common bond that is based on an innate characteristic. None of this applies to Ts as a group.

    Ts are, at best, allies. At worst, they are exploiters.

    Also, you said the following in response to another commenter:

    “what exactly is the “gay and lesbian” cause? To be able to live your life with dignity, respect and equal rights even though you don’t follow so-called societal norms?”

    No, that is not the LGB cause. The LGB movement is not a crusade for every group and individual on planet Earth who deviates from societal norms. There are societal norms against rape, against masturbating in front of elementary schools, against genocide. You violate those norms, then no, you are not entitled to dignity or respect. You go to prison.

    Some societal norms are good. Some are bad. Of the many thousands of norms, LGBs might disagree on which are good and which are bad and which should be exalted and which should be opposed. Thus, rather than mindlessly supporting everyone who deviates from norms, our movement is focused specifically on equality and dignity for LGB people and ensuring that sexual orientation is not a determinant in whether one lives a happy life or not. Anyone who wants to join us is welcome, but they don’t get to change the focus or rewrite the playbook for their own benefit.

  25. Mikey says

    TheDrDonna –

    No, sorry we are not and have never been one big community. You won’t find “LGBT” used prior to the late 1990s and it was very rare before the 2000s. It is a term invented to create a reality that doesn’t exist.

    BTW, fighting together does not make a community. We might fight common enemies alongside unions, immigration rights activists, the women’s movement, the disabled, etc. That doesn’t mean that LGBs now form one “LGBUIWD people” with all union members, all immigrants, etc.

    Those groups are considered allies. That is what Ts are. At best. The more I read about trans activists, the more I doubt that Ts even meet the criteria for allies. Increasingly, they look like grifters and manipulators.

  26. GregV says

    I’ve always thought the Jerry Springer show spreads misinformation by bringing on fake gay and fake trans guests who don’t even understand what being gay or trans means.
    The so-called “gay” male couple is typically a male-identifying one and a cross-dressing man who is somtimes considering feminizing surgery (reinforcing the myth believed only by the ignorant that “one gay is always the man and one is the woman” to mimic straight people, and that gay men dress as women to attract other gay men.)
    As for the supposed “trans” guests, they invariably reveal themselves to unsuspecting partners by announcing “I was born a man.”
    Who says that in real life? NO ONE! Even manly-men like John Wayne were not “born a man.” They were born as babies. And transwomen in REAL life would say something more real and nuanced like they were born with male parts but always felt more truly female.
    The fact that no “gay” or “trans” guest over the decades has ever deviated from the myth-based formula tells me the producers have their own twisted idea of how gay or trans guest should look and speak and they are spoon-feeding the personalities to the performers on the stage.

  27. Thedrdonna says

    Mikey, the descriptor may change, but that does not mean the community changed, and more than homosexual people didn’t exist before the term was coined in 1869. It’s simplistic to claim that trans people leapt from the woodwork when LGBT started being used.

  28. dixichuk says

    And this little comment section diatribe is a prime example for why we will not be taken seriously after our fifteen minutes of public concern is over. Insecure narcissists do as much damage whether within or without.

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