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  1. MFinBH says

    He actually seems to be making the case for preachers to STOP railing against gays. But the clip is so short, one can’t find any context. Is his next sentence, “but so what, let’s keep saying what we know to be civilly offensive” or is the next sentence “so let’s try to not be on the wrong side of history, as preachers in 1861 were.” The HuffPo link is no more informative, but seems to imply the latter.

    Context is everything.

  2. Moz's says

    the majority preached PRO slavery from the bible back in the day

    how does he explain the bible’s support of slavery with even jesus supporting the system via his healing of the centurion’s slave (death could have been an escape from slavery) and never once saying to free his slave

    paul also later wrote “slaves obey your masters” when asked if xtian slaves should escape to freedom

  3. Cecilfirefox says

    How fortunate that this ‘pastor’ deliberately forgets the 1800+ years of Christian complicity in the slave trade before the abolition movement took steam.

    Slavery is a great example, a GREAT example, of how religion was used against an institution after the lessons learned from the great continuity of human history caught up with us. It had nothing to do with religion, ultimately, and more to do with the truths learned by observing a degraded system of buying and selling people. Homosexuality doesn’t even compare, and piss on the degenerates who will pretend otherwise.

  4. Jay says

    @Steve, Jesus is not a myth, he is a historical figure and to many of us he is the son of God. Whether you believe his divine providence is another story.

  5. woody says

    south carolina makes me very uncomfortable.
    i’ve been a lot of places in the south, but SC was the most racist place of all. beautiful place. very ugly thoughts.

  6. Moz's says

    Jay

    despite your belief, jesus is not a proven historical figure

    there are no contemporary mentions of him, nothing till 70-90 years after supposed person existed.

  7. northalabama says

    if religious folk don’t have jesus to follow, another leader will be found, these lemings require this aspect in their lives. the leader isn’t the issue, it’s the damage done by fools in the leader’s name, and we have a wonderful constitution to keep these misguided nuts out of our lives and government. we simply have to continue to stand up and enforce the policies already in place.

  8. rick says

    Jay:
    According of some independent Roman historical sources, Jesus probably existed. The myth about Jesus is not about his existence. The myth is about whether those stories in the Bible are true. Like his birth by a virgin and his resurrection are obviously myths and to put it mildly outright lies.

  9. JOJ81 says

    Reminds me of the Anglican/ChurchOfEngland/Episcopal Church making statements that they don’t support the “redefinition of marriage”.
    Conveniently forgetting that the Church of England was established exactly to allow the king to redefine marriage!!

    (For those who slept thu history class: Prompted by a dispute over the annulment of the marriage of King Henry VIII to Catherine of Aragon, the Church of England separated from the Roman Catholic Church in 1534)

  10. me says

    all this jesus, god, church nonsense is really very brilliant marketing/business that has truly stood the test of time and now is hugely wealthy. some of these mega churches rake in a million tax free dollars just in the course of a weekend. when you think about it it’s a better business formula than Apple or Google or Mercedes Benz (etc) because the church doesn’t have to come up with new stuff all the time. they’ve been slinging the same b.s. forever.

  11. johnny says

    The truly brilliant part, ME, is that they get all that money TAX FREE! Imagine, making millions of dollars every week and never having to pay a single dime on any of it!

    Then take a look at the mansions, jets and fancy cars that their leaders own.

    Hell yes, keep preaching that hate, it’s a great business model and there’s a legion of slack-jawed idiots who keep putting their money in the offering plates!

  12. steve talbert says

    @jay – as much as you want it to be so, it isn’t. If you are going to worship an idea and cult, you might want to learn more about its history.

    J wasn’t even a letter until the 1600s. And the suffix Sus was widely applied to honor Zues. Prayers end in Amen to honor Amen-Ra. And alnist all the parables about Jesus were taken from babylonian mythra and Egyptian horus.

    I’m not saying that the ideas are bad, just know that its made up and borrowed from the Qumran Essenes and adopted by the Romans, codified by the early Catholic Church over 1,000 years and modified by the European Reformation.

  13. steve talbert says

    @jay – as much as you want it to be so, it isn’t. If you are going to worship an idea and cult, you might want to learn more about its history.

    J wasn’t even a letter until the 1600s. And the suffix Sus was widely applied to honor Zues. Prayers end in Amen to honor Amen-Ra. And alnist all the parables about Jesus were taken from babylonian mythra and Egyptian horus.

    I’m not saying that the ideas are bad, just know that its made up and borrowed from the Qumran Essenes and adopted by the Romans, codified by the early Catholic Church over 1,000 years and modified by the European Reformation.

  14. Moz's says

    rick

    ther are NO independent roman sources for a man named jesus existing

    no mention till the gospels written 70-90 years after supposed person

    if by chance you are thinking of josephus, that has been proven to be a forgery added to the text around 400 ad by an overzealous bishop

  15. timma says

    yes use this as an excuse to bash any one insane enough to think there might be a higher power and call them “crazy” “insane” and watch your selves become the monster you fight, just remember that there a lot of religious people on your side to change doctrines that people use against you to impinge your rights don’t be “all religious want to convert by the sword” and “all religious people are hateful bigots”, “all muslims want to blow them selves up” you need every ally you get, don’t push them away just because you don’t “like” the concept of religion

  16. JMC says

    Gay people have every reason to be scornful of organized religion and I shouldn’t have to explain why. Anyone who would rescind their support of us because some gay people aren’t cordial when discussing the #1 tool used across the globe to oppress, maim and murder us was never an ally to begin with.

  17. simon says

    Timma:
    Recently the Catholic Church orchestrated another crazy event, “the canonization” of two former Popes. The supposedly waived the rule to have two “verified miracles” because they couldn’t find two crazy enough persons. It is quite amusing how a miracle can be verified since by definition it is no longer a miracle if it can be “verified” in the scientific sense.

  18. Idol says

    The context of the statement is within a segment called ‘don’t avoid the hard topics’. It was a humblebrag and self-pity story about his church’s ‘difficult’ decision to stand against marriage equality in North Carolina during the last election when North Carolina voted overwhelmingly against marriage equality (it was so hard to be against the homosexuals!).
    The absurdity of his slavery comment is the premise that preaching against marriage equality in North Carolina was unpopular or brave and just like preaching against slavery to a pro-slavery audience. It’s so hard to be an anti-gay martyr in North Carolina!

  19. simon says

    Timma’s argument is a bit strange. The most prominent and visible critics of religion are straight like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins etc. Somehow gay people should lay low because they are gay? Or they need allies while straight people don’t? I can assure you straight people also encounter hardship if they are too outspoken.

  20. Arrow says

    These church stories are predictable. How about a report on the embarrassing Barney Frank, and his embarrassed reaction to
    Alex Baldwin version of his life, recently screened at The Tribeca Film Festival. His husband was quite upset.

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