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Pope Francis: Just To Be Clear, Gay Marriage Isn't On the Table - VIDEO

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Seemingly backtracking on promises made for a more inclusive Catholic Church, Pope Francis has indicated that same-sex marriage is not on the agenda, reports the Independent.

Seen by some as a reformer, Francis earlier this year suggested the church might support civil unions for same-sex couples. Last month, he demoted anti-gay U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke.

At a meeting of bishops in October, it was declared that gay people have “gifts and qualities to offer.” However, following a backlash from conservatives, the church announced that the statement was part of a “working document” that did not reflect a change in the official Catholic stance on homosexuality.

In an interview published yesterday in La Nacion, Francis said that although the church must help parents to stand by their gay children, official Catholic acceptance of same-sex marriage is not being considered.

Vatican“What [the synod] did talk about was of how a family with a homosexual child, whether a son or a daughter, goes about educating that child, how the family bears up, how to help that family to deal with that somewhat unusual situation.

“That is to say, the synod addressed the family and the homosexual persons in relation to their families, because we come across this reality all the time in the confessional: a father and a mother whose son or daughter is in that situation. This happened to me several times in Buenos Aires.

“We have to find a way to help that father or that mother to stand by their son or daughter.”

However, he added that “nobody mentioned homosexual marriage” at the synod because “it did not cross our minds”.

Last week, the Irish Catholic Bishops's Conference released a 16-page manifesto outlining the chruch's opposition to same-sex marriage.

Watch a report on the opening of the October synod, AFTER THE JUMP...

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Liberty Counsel's Matt Barber Calls Satan 'The Author' Of Gay Marriage: AUDIO

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On yesterday's "Faith and Freedom," radio program, Liberty Counsel's Matt Barber called gay marriage the opposite of natural marriage, which he considers only between a man and woman, and that the great evil one himself is responsible for "authoring it," reports Right Wing Watch

Barber and fellow Liberty Counsel member Mat Staver were discussing the recent Vatican summit and praised a number of anti-gay activists who attended, including Rick Warren, when Barber compared both gay marriage and "natural marriage" to different sides of a coin.

Listen to Barber's hateful rhetoric on "counterfeit marriage," if you care to, AFTER THE JUMP...

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Is Pope Francis Sending Ambiguous Messages About Marriage And Family?

PopePope Francis kicked off the Vatican's "traditional marriage" summit this week with a discussion on the state of marriage and the family in today's world - with some potentially mixed messages. In Francis' address, “The Complementarity of Man and Woman in Marriage,” he reinforces the idea of marriage and family, but it seems he might also be ambiguously referring to gay couples in several passages throughout the commentary, or at least one could deduce that he is from particular words used.

The basis of the address is based on the term "Complementarity," which means "situations where one of two things adds to, completes, or fulfills a lack in the other.” However, Francis puts the word in a Christian context.

He says:

"Christians find its deepest meaning in the first Letter to the Corinthians where Saint Paul tells us that the Spirit has endowed each of us with different gifts so that-just as the human body's members work together for the good of the whole-everyone's gifts can work together for the benefit of each (cf. 1 Cor. 12)."

Francis explains that the complementarity between women and men is the root of marriage and family, but the only other explicit mention of specific pairings between men and women doesn't occur until the very end of the address. Francis also seems to challenge traditional gender roles and recognize the suffering of women.

He continues:

"When we speak of complementarity between man and woman in this context, let us not confuse that term with the simplistic idea that all the roles and relations of the two sexes are fixed in a single, static pattern.

"Evidence is mounting that the decline of the marriage culture is associated with increased poverty and a host of other social ills, disproportionately affecting women, children and the elderly. It is always they who suffer the most in this crisis."

It's unclear what social ills Francis is referring to but with his support for civil unions and taking responsibility for sexual abuse scandals within the church, Francis' views on LGBT people and the church makes him the most progressive, socially responsible pope to take office thus far. The most telling passage of Francis' commentary is the discussion of future generations and the trappings of ideological concepts.

He says:

"It is important that they do not give themselves over to the poisonous mentality of the temporary, but rather be revolutionaries with the courage to seek true and lasting love, going against the common pattern: this must be done. With regard to this I want to say one thing: Let us not fall into the trap of being qualified by ideological concepts.

"Family is an anthropological fact - a socially and culturally related fact. We cannot qualify it with concepts of an ideological nature, that are relevant only in a single moment of history, and then pass by. We can't speak today of a conservative notion of family or a progressive notion of family: Family is family! It can't be qualified by ideological notions. Family has a strength of its own (per se)."

However, Francis ends his address with a reinforcement about marriage between men and women as a natural, unique and fundamental good, and it's unclear whether the statement about ideological trappings means Francis is willing to think beyond religious dogma, is just a simple contradiction on his behalf or an attempt to find a delicate balance between traditional ideological teachings and empathy toward the plights of LGBT people. Additionally, the fact that he invited hate leader Tony Perkins to the summit seems damaging to both his and the summit's credibility. 


Gay People, Pope Francis Will Win By Losing Catholic Church Battle For LGBT Inclusion - VIDEO

6a00d8341c730253ef01b7c6f551d6970b-250wiWriting for the Washington Post, Jonathan Capehart has argued that although conservative bishops may have won a battle last week when they voted against language that spoke of “welcoming homosexual persons” into the Catholic church, they have not won the bigger battle with Pope Francis.

Following protests from conservative bishops, the Vatican last week backtracked on reports that it had planned to be “welcoming to homosexual persons.”

However, according to Capehart, although headlines called it a “setback,” “the pope let the genie out of the bottle. And, as we all know, it’s difficult to put him back in once released.”

6a00d8341c730253ef01bb079d3a5e970d-800wiHe continues:

“What the synod did at the outset on paper, Pope Francis has been doing since ascending to the papacy. He’s been talking about gays and lesbians in the Catholic Church with an unheard-of humanity and care.

“I found it interesting that Francis insisted not only on publicizing the vote tallies for each paragraph, but also which paragraphs failed to pass. The pope said he was doing it for transparency. And that’s great. The added benefit to such openness is the signal it sends the entire church. If the pope and the bishops can engage in a rational and respectful discussion about same-sex relationships, so can the rest of the flock. That’s the genie that is out of the bottle.

“As Francis said [on October 19th] during his homily, ‘God is not afraid of new things! That is why he is continually surprising us, opening our hearts and guiding us in unexpected ways.’ By the time the bishops reconvene next October to finalize the synod document, we might be looking at a very different outcome.

“I’m not saying the church or the pope will become a champion of LGBT rights. And I’m definitely not saying they are going to support marriage equality. What I am saying is that by talking about the humanity of gay and lesbian Catholics and worrying about their place in the church, Pope Francis is openly recognizing them as children of God. After centuries of demonization, that’s a revolutionary act that can’t be undone.”

Watch a CBS report on the failure of the synod to adopt pro-gay language, AFTER THE JUMP...

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NYC Cardinal Timothy Dolan Discusses The Scrapped Pro-Gay Language from Vatican's Family Synod Report: VIDEO

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NYC Archbishop Cardinal Timothy Dolan spoke to George Stephanopoulos today about the Vatican's watered down final document for its synod on the family - a report that scrapped language that seemed to indicate a dramatic new tone in the church's response to homosexuality, divorce, and contraception. 

Dolan, ever the bigoted firebrand, praised the African church leaders in attendance who were vocal about their opposition to any doctrine revisions that could be interpreted as pro-gay.

"There was a pretty good, vivid conversation especially with the African bishops, who I love more than ever, who obviously come from cultures and societies that I admire that have a very strong definition of marriage as man and woman with children and are kind of afraid of attempts to water that down. One of the fears that they would have would be what we would call same-sex marraige. So they were pastorally sensitive about a document giving any indication that the Church might be open to any change at all in the definition of marriage. So there was a good debate, a good conversation that went on."

Pope francisDolan also reiterated his belief that Pope Francis is trying to take the "middle road" on issues facing the church: 

"Once again, you got overwhelming agreement on things - first of all on the definition of marriage given to us by God and faithfully handed on by the church: one man, one woman, lifelong, life-giving, faithful, bringing about new life and children. Enthusiastic response to that. And then the other side was how can we embrace and never alienate those who are unable to live up to that noble ideal. And as usual, Pope Francis is saying we've got to keep both those values in mind. "

Dolan has a lot of work to do to live up to the call to embrace and not alienate gays, however. Despite his claim that he's not "anti-anybody," Dolan has equated same-sex marriage to incestdenied LGBT Catholics entry to mass, and insisted LGBT individuals are entitled to friendship, not marriage - among a laundry list of other incendiary remarks.  

Watch Dolan's interview, AFTER THE JUMP...

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Vatican Scraps Pro-Gay Language from Synod Document

A dramatic shift in tone from the Vatican regarding gay people that was evident in the draft of a document produced by Catholic leaders at its synod on the family has been scrapped and all evidence of it removed by conservatives in the Church, the Guardian reports:

VaticanIn the final report of an extraordinary synod on the family which has exposed deep divides in church hierarchy, there is no mention – as there had been in a draft version – of the “gifts and qualities” gay people can offer.

Nor is there any recognition of the “precious support” gay partners can give each other.

A paragraph entitled “pastoral attention to people of homosexual orientation” – itself a distinctly cooler tone than “welcoming homosexual persons” – refers to church teaching, saying there can be “not even a remote” comparison between gay unions and heterosexual marriage.

“Nevertheless,” it adds, “men and women of homosexual tendencies must be welcomed with respect and sensitivity.” They should not suffer from discrimination, it adds.

But the shift in tone is clear. And even this watered-down passage failed to pass the two-thirds majority needed for it to be approved.

The other two paragraphs that failed to pass majority dealt with people who had divorced and remarried and whether they should be allowed to take communion.

The pro-gay text's rejection began shortly after the draft was released to the public. NYC Cardinal Timothy Dolan was among those who suggested the document needed "major reworking".


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